Google wifi



  • Have had our place set up with Google Home for a while now, mainly controlling a few lights, and power for the pool pump. Google keep sending me free Nest Minis 🤷♂

    Anyway, I've been toying with the idea of Google Wifi as the replacement when my existing unit dies. Wondering if anyone here had experience with Google Wifi or mesh networks in general.

    My current WiFi is handled through a now end of life Netgear dual band unit, mounted on the ceiling. Sometimes it is a bit flaky but has been working solid for the last 6 years with few issues



  • Not google mesh but I have some tp-link mesh units set up and what a gamechanger.
    You won’t regret going mesh, just carefully think out your placement, it may not be as linear as you think to get the best results.
    For example our house is slightly L shaped and instead of a central unit I have placed ones in clear sight of each other across the gap. No interference from other appliances that way and 100% coverage at high speed.
    Just so much better than range extenders and no need to decide what network to be on if you move around with a device.



  • Have heard bad things about the google wifi, but many good things about mesh. So worth checking other options.



  • Thanks gents. I am always mindful of course that my broadband connection sucks, so sticking a you-beaut internal system is sometimes like towing a trailer with a Ferrari...

    Seems like my router (Fritz!Box 7490) can participate in a Mesh network as Master or Repeater, so I might look at non-Google options (particularly in terms of the price). Can also extend the telephony it seems.

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    For now, the ceiling wifi is OK but the seamless network transfer would be a superior option.

    @Crucial questions:

    1. Which model TP-Link did you get? I see they've got a couple of options
    2. Did you already have a TP-link modem capable of mesh? Or was it another brand?


  • I’ve got these
    https://www.noelleeming.co.nz/shop/computers-tablets/accessories/networking-equipment/tp-link-deco-m4-2-pack-ac1200-whole-home-mesh-wifi-system/prod185925.html

    I have simply cabled one of them into the crappy isp provided modem/router.
    I think with the method you are looking at you will need another compatible station to be the slave. I looked at that method years ago and if you are happy administrating and troubleshooting it will probably fine. It’s the way large buildings have been done for ages and you can probably pick up a unit second hand.
    The advantage with an off the shelf setup is that you can easily control from an app if you need to and you can add extra mesh units (like the small disc ones) into the system if required.
    Then one day you might even get decent broadband to make use of it.



  • @NTA said in Google wifi:

    Wondering if anyone here had experience with Google Wifi or mesh networks in general.

    I use UniFi at home and it's fantastic.



  • @Crucial said in Google wifi:

    Then one day you might even get decent broadband to make use of it.

    That ship has sailed. Though if that lottery win comes in, I'll get fibre pulled through for the whole street 😉



  • @antipodean said in Google wifi:

    @NTA said in Google wifi:

    Wondering if anyone here had experience with Google Wifi or mesh networks in general.

    I use UniFi at home and it's fantastic.

    That looks great. Looks like overkill for a domestic situation but, hey, overkill is a good thing.



  • @NTA said in Google wifi:

    @Crucial said in Google wifi:

    Then one day you might even get decent broadband to make use of it.

    That ship has sailed. Though if that lottery win comes in, I'll get fibre pulled through for the whole street 😉

    One day Australia will wake up and realise that poor decisions have led to being left behind in the world. Different tech should then enable a re-think.



  • @Crucial said in Google wifi:

    @NTA said in Google wifi:

    @Crucial said in Google wifi:

    Then one day you might even get decent broadband to make use of it.

    That ship has sailed. Though if that lottery win comes in, I'll get fibre pulled through for the whole street 😉

    One day Australia will wake up and realise that poor decisions have led to being left behind in the world. Different tech should then enable a re-think.

    That would probably require voting in a government that isn't LNP and I don't see that happening in the current circumstances.

    I'm waiting for Elon Musk's satellites to save me (this is about as valid as the nation waking up).



  • Not to wind you up, but to show how good the mesh system is, I am on a 100 plan and can pull through 90+ consistently throughout the house on wifi



  • @Crucial said in Google wifi:

    Not to wind you up, but to show how good the mesh system is, I am on a 100 plan and can pull through 90+ consistently throughout the house on wifi

    Nice. The brother in law is living in a place that also has VDSL about 5km from me, and he regularly gets 90mbps at the modem. So it isn't all bad, just that I lost Node Lotto



  • @NTA said in Google wifi:

    @Crucial said in Google wifi:

    @NTA said in Google wifi:

    @Crucial said in Google wifi:

    Then one day you might even get decent broadband to make use of it.

    That ship has sailed. Though if that lottery win comes in, I'll get fibre pulled through for the whole street 😉

    One day Australia will wake up and realise that poor decisions have led to being left behind in the world. Different tech should then enable a re-think.

    That would probably require voting in a government that isn't LNP and I don't see that happening in the current circumstances.

    I'm waiting for Elon Musk's satellites to save me (this is about as valid as the nation waking up).

    Even 4G wireless will get you 28ish although the lag is a bit shit and upload even worse



  • @Crucial cost is fucking outrageous for the data you get. I need unlimited because the fucking boy and his fucking playstation.

    Oh and I live in an area where 4G is kind of shit - recently one tower went down and pop! That was it for mobile reception.

    Infrastructure plan and spend is not a strength of any of these shunts.



  • I pay for 25/5 on our new NBN and typically get 18/3. Never seen it get above 20. That's metro Sydney, good old Toby Abbott's hood.



  • @voodoo said in Google wifi:

    I pay for 25/5 on our new NBN and typically get 18/3. Never seen it get above 20. That's metro Sydney, good old Toby Abbott's hood.

    I pay for 50/20 because our provider doesn't offer 25/5 any more - just so I have the privilege of getting 26/7

    Less than 10 year old neighbourhood with fibre 100/40 estates within 300m.



  • @NTA said in Google wifi:

    @voodoo said in Google wifi:

    I pay for 25/5 on our new NBN and typically get 18/3. Never seen it get above 20. That's metro Sydney, good old Toby Abbott's hood.

    I pay for 50/20 because our provider doesn't offer 25/5 any more - just so I have the privilege of getting 26/7

    Less than 10 year old neighbourhood with fibre 100/40 estates within 300m.

    26 is nowhere near as bad as you make out. Quite ample for most things just don’t expect to be hammering it throughout the house



  • @Crucial we still get periods of buffering on most downloads



  • @Crucial said in Google wifi:

    @NTA said in Google wifi:

    @voodoo said in Google wifi:

    I pay for 25/5 on our new NBN and typically get 18/3. Never seen it get above 20. That's metro Sydney, good old Toby Abbott's hood.

    I pay for 50/20 because our provider doesn't offer 25/5 any more - just so I have the privilege of getting 26/7

    Less than 10 year old neighbourhood with fibre 100/40 estates within 300m.

    26 is nowhere near as bad as you make out. Quite ample for most things just don’t expect to be hammering it throughout the house

    Beats the shit out of the 7/3 I got on ADSL2 at the same location.

    For me it is fine working from home.

    For a family of 4 trying to work/school from home it takes a bit of juggling if everyone is trying to videocon (Zoom x 2 + Teams + Hangouts) and work in the cloud.



  • Boast time...

    Got really lucky when my wife and I moved home 3 and 1/2 years ago. We moved from Wahroonga in Sydney's upper north shore where the ADSL2+ was usually in the 8-9 Mbps range.

    We moved into a newly built apartment in North Sydney. We have Fibre to the Premises (FTTP), it literally terminates in the spare bedroom wardrobe. Even better, when we moved, the local Telstra shop offered a boost to the highest speed for free, so the 100/40 and unlimited data.

    We also got the base Foxtel package and IQ3 included for the low price of $100/month. The package we are on isn't even offered any more.

    Swooped on that offer, immediately went out and purchased a 4K TV and have been loving life ever since.

    I've done a number of tests over the years and our speed rarely gets below 95 Mbps, and quite often reached speeds over 100 Mbps.

    Even with what seems like 90% of the Australian workforce now WFH, the speed hasn't been noticeably affected, even in peak hours. Very impressed. Averaging around 60 - 80 Mbps in peak.

    The sad thing I know is that our experience with the NBN (and Telstra for that matter) is very rare and we are lucky. Most people rightly complain about it and have bad experiences. I've friends who have pulled their hair out and gone completely mad trying to deal with the NBN. Worse, a good mate had Telstra Cable, loved it and was getting amazing speeds. When NBN moved into his neighbourhood, he was forced to move and now gets only 20 Mbps or less. He's so pissed!



  • Man, Australia really is 3rd world when it comes to this kind of infrastructure isn't it. I consistently get >500mps even sitting outside in the garden with a cold beer.

    Fibre roll out is the one example of successive NZ govt's getting their shit together to deliver a decent infrastructure project.



  • @dogmeat said in Google wifi:

    Man, Australia really is 3rd world when it comes to this kind of infrastructure isn't it. I consistently get >500mps even sitting outside in the garden with a cold beer.

    Fibre roll out is the one example of successive NZ govt's getting their shit together to deliver a decent infrastructure project.

    Yeah, we were pretty close on that. And then the conservatives got into power and had to follow through on their promise to fuck up everything the previous idiots proposed.

    This is a clip from 2011. Mark Pesce is as a futurist, and while that title would ordinarily make my eyes roll 😉 I've engaged with him on a few platforms and he's more of a bloke with his finger on the pulse.



  • @NTA Who is the smug prick asking the questions?



  • @dogmeat said in Google wifi:

    Man, Australia really is 3rd world when it comes to this kind of infrastructure isn't it. I consistently get >500mps even sitting outside in the garden with a cold beer.

    Fibre roll out is the one example of successive NZ govt's getting their shit together to deliver a decent infrastructure project.

    The benefit of seeing what Australia did and not making the same mistakes.



  • @NTA said in Google wifi:

    @dogmeat said in Google wifi:

    Man, Australia really is 3rd world when it comes to this kind of infrastructure isn't it. I consistently get >500mps even sitting outside in the garden with a cold beer.

    Fibre roll out is the one example of successive NZ govt's getting their shit together to deliver a decent infrastructure project.

    Yeah, we were pretty close on that. And then the conservatives got into power and had to follow through on their promise to fuck up everything the previous idiots proposed.

    This is a clip from 2011. Mark Pesce is as a futurist, and while that title would ordinarily make my eyes roll 😉 I've engaged with him on a few platforms and he's more of a bloke with his finger on the pulse.

    The last comment by Turnbull in that vid is all that is needed to understand why you are falling behind.
    “We should only be building what we need now and can currently see in the future”
    The NZ approach was “let’s overbuild this on current needs as the possibilities are endless and currently not even imagined”
    As one of you are aware I worked for Chorus during the fibre rollout and we openly said at work that we couldn’t even imagine what Gigafibre would be used for at capacity in households yet here we are 5 years after that with Gig being available in areas and snapped up by some people.



  • @NTA First time I've seen that and damn, it made my blood boil.

    That smug sanctimonious condescending prick!

    Christ I'm angry at that and at least Mark has the last laugh as most Aussies are now crying over the Abbott and Turnbull mess they made of the NBN.

    Christ I'm pissed!!!



  • @RoninWC said in Google wifi:

    @NTA First time I've seen that and damn, it made my blood boil.

    That smug sanctimonious condescending prick!

    Christ I'm angry at that and at least Mark has the last laugh as most Aussies are now crying over the Abbott and Turnbull mess they made of the NBN.

    Christ I'm pissed!!!

    The best bit is yet to come. It has to be sold. Won't recoup the money "invested" in the construction and a sizeable part of it has to be redone. Not just the technology mix either, but kilometres of fibre which wasn't laid correctly so is degrading.

    The whole thing is a bipartisan cockup of magnificent proportions.



  • @antipodean said in Google wifi:

    @RoninWC said in Google wifi:

    @NTA First time I've seen that and damn, it made my blood boil.

    That smug sanctimonious condescending prick!

    Christ I'm angry at that and at least Mark has the last laugh as most Aussies are now crying over the Abbott and Turnbull mess they made of the NBN.

    Christ I'm pissed!!!

    The best bit is yet to come. It has to be sold. Won't recoup the money "invested" in the construction and a sizeable part of it has to be redone. Not just the technology mix either, but kilometres of fibre which wasn't laid correctly so is degrading.

    The whole thing is a bipartisan cockup of magnificent proportions.

    And a failure by both parties to identify internet as a utility, not a service.

    Really you have to look at the history of privatisation in this country and wonder why the fuck we haven't learned anything about mitigating the worst of it.

    $50B for a FTTP network is looking like a bargain.



  • @NTA said in Google wifi:

    @antipodean said in Google wifi:

    @RoninWC said in Google wifi:

    @NTA First time I've seen that and damn, it made my blood boil.

    That smug sanctimonious condescending prick!

    Christ I'm angry at that and at least Mark has the last laugh as most Aussies are now crying over the Abbott and Turnbull mess they made of the NBN.

    Christ I'm pissed!!!

    The best bit is yet to come. It has to be sold. Won't recoup the money "invested" in the construction and a sizeable part of it has to be redone. Not just the technology mix either, but kilometres of fibre which wasn't laid correctly so is degrading.

    The whole thing is a bipartisan cockup of magnificent proportions.

    And a failure by both parties to identify internet as a utility, not a service.

    Really you have to look at the history of privatisation in this country and wonder why the fuck we haven't learned anything about mitigating the worst of it.

    $50B for a FTTP network is looking like a bargain.

    It was never going to be only $50 billion and it was unnecessary given the market was already investing in building out infrastructure.

    It was so obvious and this isn't even the benefit of hindsight:

    • Don't merge Telecom.
    • Don't sell the wholesale side of Telstra.
    • Don't let the ACCC force Telstra to provide preferential access to competing ISPs.
    • Don't think as a politician you know better how to build infrastructure.
    • Don't try to keep it off the books by selling bonds, mandating a market return and legislating that it had to be sold.
    • Don't come up with a hamfisted technology mix to attempt to redress the business case shortcomings.

    A massive white elephant that will have to be redone at the end of it.

    From a SMH article almost two years ago:

    A strategic review commissioned by Turnbull revised the peak funding requirement of the FTTP model to $72.6 billion (which was probably still conservative) and estimated the MTM approach would require peak funding of $41 billion and deliver an IRR of between 3.1 per cent and 5.3 per cent.

    As the roll-out has continued, the peak funding requirement has been pushed up to $49 billion and the estimated IRR range down to between 3.2 per cent and 3.7 per cent. Even at the original 7 per cent, NBN CO would have been generating a return well below its weighted average cost of capital – destroying taxpayer value in the process.

    So, the simple conclusion is that, in whatever form it was built, the NBN was never a commercially economic business.

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/s-and-p-retells-an-old-story-the-nbn-is-a-big-loser-20180725-p4zth5.html



  • @Crucial said in Google wifi:

    I’ve got these
    https://www.noelleeming.co.nz/shop/computers-tablets/accessories/networking-equipment/tp-link-deco-m4-2-pack-ac1200-whole-home-mesh-wifi-system/prod185925.html

    I have simply cabled one of them into the crappy isp provided modem/router.
    I think with the method you are looking at you will need another compatible station to be the slave. I looked at that method years ago and if you are happy administrating and troubleshooting it will probably fine. It’s the way large buildings have been done for ages and you can probably pick up a unit second hand.
    The advantage with an off the shelf setup is that you can easily control from an app if you need to and you can add extra mesh units (like the small disc ones) into the system if required.
    Then one day you might even get decent broadband to make use of it.

    I picked this up on your recommendation as I wanted better coverage now I'm working from home a lot, and some rooms had a dodgy signal. Didn't want to fork out for Google WiFi!

    It's fantastic thank you! I wired it straight into the Fibre ONT on the wall so ditched the dodgy old router that 2 Degrees gave me. That immediately boosted my speeds from an average of 40/20 to 100/20 which is crazy. Not sure if that was due to the old router or a dodgy cable but it's made a monumental difference.

    Was very easy to set up as well, and the app is nice.



  • @No-Quarter said in Google wifi:

    @Crucial said in Google wifi:

    I’ve got these
    https://www.noelleeming.co.nz/shop/computers-tablets/accessories/networking-equipment/tp-link-deco-m4-2-pack-ac1200-whole-home-mesh-wifi-system/prod185925.html

    I have simply cabled one of them into the crappy isp provided modem/router.
    I think with the method you are looking at you will need another compatible station to be the slave. I looked at that method years ago and if you are happy administrating and troubleshooting it will probably fine. It’s the way large buildings have been done for ages and you can probably pick up a unit second hand.
    The advantage with an off the shelf setup is that you can easily control from an app if you need to and you can add extra mesh units (like the small disc ones) into the system if required.
    Then one day you might even get decent broadband to make use of it.

    I picked this up on your recommendation as I wanted better coverage now I'm working from home a lot, and some rooms had a dodgy signal. Didn't want to fork out for Google WiFi!

    It's fantastic thank you! I wired it straight into the Fibre ONT on the wall so ditched the dodgy old router that 2 Degrees gave me. That immediately boosted my speeds from an average of 40/20 to 100/20 which is crazy. Not sure if that was due to the old router or a dodgy cable but it's made a monumental difference.

    Was very easy to set up as well, and the app is nice.

    I had similar. The ISP supplied wifi units generally have shit range at 5Ghz meaning that you tend to hook into the 2.4 which is slower.

    Happy that you've had a good result. Plenty of people moan about supposed shit internet when it is their home equipment that is doing the choking.



  • @Crucial said in Google wifi:

    @No-Quarter said in Google wifi:

    @Crucial said in Google wifi:

    I’ve got these
    https://www.noelleeming.co.nz/shop/computers-tablets/accessories/networking-equipment/tp-link-deco-m4-2-pack-ac1200-whole-home-mesh-wifi-system/prod185925.html

    I have simply cabled one of them into the crappy isp provided modem/router.
    I think with the method you are looking at you will need another compatible station to be the slave. I looked at that method years ago and if you are happy administrating and troubleshooting it will probably fine. It’s the way large buildings have been done for ages and you can probably pick up a unit second hand.
    The advantage with an off the shelf setup is that you can easily control from an app if you need to and you can add extra mesh units (like the small disc ones) into the system if required.
    Then one day you might even get decent broadband to make use of it.

    I picked this up on your recommendation as I wanted better coverage now I'm working from home a lot, and some rooms had a dodgy signal. Didn't want to fork out for Google WiFi!

    It's fantastic thank you! I wired it straight into the Fibre ONT on the wall so ditched the dodgy old router that 2 Degrees gave me. That immediately boosted my speeds from an average of 40/20 to 100/20 which is crazy. Not sure if that was due to the old router or a dodgy cable but it's made a monumental difference.

    Was very easy to set up as well, and the app is nice.

    I had similar. The ISP supplied wifi units generally have shit range at 5Ghz meaning that you tend to hook into the 2.4 which is slower.

    Happy that you've had a good result. Plenty of people moan about supposed shit internet when it is their home equipment that is doing the choking.

    Fuck it, I'm going to pull the trigger on this as well. Kids are murdering my bandwidth.



  • Having to reset my router most mornings at the moment. And with the online learning meetings, youtube, xbox, work meetings on top of the normal devices (iPhones, iPads, Laptops, etc) my setup is under strain.

    Add in concrete floors, multiple stories, and spotty 5Ghz deadzones, its been long overdue an upgrade. I tried a cheap extender as a stopgap, and it improved things but not enough.

    Like the look of those parental controls as well.



  • @Kirwan said in Google wifi:

    Having to reset my router most mornings at the moment. And with the online learning meetings, youtube, xbox, work meetings on top of the normal devices (iPhones, iPads, Laptops, etc) my setup is under strain.

    Add in concrete floors, multiple stories, and spotty 5Ghz deadzones, its been long overdue an upgrade. I tried a cheap extender as a stopgap, and it improved things but not enough.

    Like the look of those parental controls as well.

    When you upgrade and you let us know what you do?



  • @Hooroo Sure, but I'm just following Crucial's advice, he's the expert.

    I've had my eye on the mesh network solution for a while to get rid of the deadspots. Kids are getting to the age that I want more options for parental controls as well to automate downtime, particuarly at night.

    And I spend a lot of time on VOIP calls, so that has to be rock solid regardless of what the kids are doing. And in the current circumstance I don't want to take anything away from them, and in some cases it's necessary anyway (eg my daughter had a music lesson online today)



  • @Kirwan the VOIP calls is what pushed me to get it. I set myself up a nice quiet corner of the house for working but kept getting the robotic voice whenever I was on calls so had to keep running closer to the router.

    I only got it for the increased coverage, the speed boost was an unexpected (big) bonus. Couldn't guarantee that would happen for everyone though.

    Are you on fibre?



  • @No-Quarter yeah on 1GB with Orcon, so should have plenty of bandwidth!



  • @No-Quarter @Kirwan @Crucial

    Sorry to spam you, but about to upgrade with parental controls and wanted some feedback from people with these.

    1. How do the parental controls work - are they per device, or do people have a login to get onto WiFi and then limit it that way?

    2. What's the drill with Fibre connectivity and VOIP. We've got 1GB from Slingshot, and a VOIP phone -- can this replace our Slingshot modem, or do we wind up with the Slingshot modem hard wired to both the VOIP phone and the Deco?

    Finally, would yo ulook at anything else or is this the good oil to buy. I'm particularly keen on the parental controls, but a better network futureproofs the house for when video gets streamed all over the place

    cheers



  • @nzzp said in Google wifi:

    @No-Quarter @Kirwan @Crucial

    Sorry to spam you, but about to upgrade with parental controls and wanted some feedback from people with these.

    1. How do the parental controls work - are they per device, or do people have a login to get onto WiFi and then limit it that way?

    2. What's the drill with Fibre connectivity and VOIP. We've got 1GB from Slingshot, and a VOIP phone -- can this replace our Slingshot modem, or do we wind up with the Slingshot modem hard wired to both the VOIP phone and the Deco?

    Finally, would yo ulook at anything else or is this the good oil to buy. I'm particularly keen on the parental controls, but a better network futureproofs the house for when video gets streamed all over the place

    cheers

    Best to check with ISP on how they manage VOIP phones. Usual install for Fibre has a separate 'phone' connection to the ONT. That should be a direct VOIP line.

    I haven't used the parental controls but I believe that you set up various profiles in the network and assign them to devices e.g. one kids device could be on an under 8 profile and another on an under 16. You control what the profiles can access. You can also block certain sites individually.



  • @nzzp said in Google wifi:

    @No-Quarter @Kirwan @Crucial

    Sorry to spam you, but about to upgrade with parental controls and wanted some feedback from people with these.

    1. How do the parental controls work - are they per device, or do people have a login to get onto WiFi and then limit it that way?

    2. What's the drill with Fibre connectivity and VOIP. We've got 1GB from Slingshot, and a VOIP phone -- can this replace our Slingshot modem, or do we wind up with the Slingshot modem hard wired to both the VOIP phone and the Deco?

    Finally, would yo ulook at anything else or is this the good oil to buy. I'm particularly keen on the parental controls, but a better network futureproofs the house for when video gets streamed all over the place

    cheers

    For the parental controls, you set up a profile that includes general filters, as well as the ability to block specific sites. You can also set times they are allowed internet access, and can pause it whenever you want. Then you add the devices they use to that profile. It's easy to add/remove devices so if they logged onto your laptop you could quickly add it to their profile while they are on.

    I would 100% recommend getting a mesh network. I had an extender before and we had no end of problems with it - extenders create a 2nd SSID that your devices are meant to switch between but it is not seamless at all, I found my phone regularly losing internet access etc.

    The mesh network has been seamless so far, no internet drops and we can all now stream without any issues at any part of the house, including the back of the yard. It's solved all of our internet woes.

    Whether this product is better than others, I don't know as I haven't tested others. But it's great value and has really positive reviews online so I don't think you can go too wrong with it.

    Regarding the VOIP phone, I'm not sure sorry. When I mentioned VOIP I meant making calls from my work Laptop which has been way better since getting this.

    As I said I ditched my 2 Degrees router altogether. On the Deco I just had to change the encapsulation to PPPoE, the VLAN ID to 10 (NZ Spark option on the menu), and enter my username/password. That's probably the same for all Fibre connections but your ISP would hopefully have some instructions on their website.

    Maybe the VOIP phone could be connected to the Deco? It has an extra Ethernet port on the back, but probably worth checking with the ISP as @Crucial says.


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