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@snowy said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@mn5 said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
I guess it’s a coping mechanism
It is. All high stress jobs.
….yep and don’t get me started on how much more Police should be paid than they are……it’s ridiculous we live in a society where you can get paid more for selling shit than doing what they do.
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@mn5 said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@crazy-horse said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
Getting deeply personal here, but there is an instinct to blame the parents. That's extremely unfair. I literally locked my son in the house. I installed locks on every door and kept the keys on me. He took a padlock and smashed a window to get out. I went to every agency or service I could think of, including my local member. But they all told me there was nothing I could do without his consent. He was 14 at the time. I was imploring Queensland Health for a mental health order and said that it was just a matter of time before I was seriously hurt (he'd smashed his room up and lit his bed on fire). Their reaction: "Well the system is very reactive." And what do you reckon would have happened if I'd laid a hand on him. I'd have been arrested and they would have taken my other son away from him. And didn't he fucking know that.
Sorry about the sidetrack and rambling but the system is completely fucked and I think I've made it clear who I blame for that. I'm all for personal responsibility but anyone who thinks you are able to exercise it yourself is kidding themselves.
I agree with you. While there are kids out there that have no chance because of their parents, there are kids out there with loving parents/grandparents that are going off the rails. And there is nothing the parents can do and nothing the system can do.
A few examples that have stuck with me. More than a few years ago I was in the station when I looked up to see a cute wee girl aged about 5 walk in wearing her pajamas and holding her teddy bear. She told me "daddy keeps getting beaten up and I am too scared to live at home. " Turns out she was from one of our regular families. Druggy parents, brothers etc. Someone had smashed their way into the house and beaten the crap out of her father in front of her. The girl was handed over to the system and surprise surprise handed straight back to the family. Fast forward 10 years I attend a job where a female had been beaten by her boyfriend. It was the same girl. She was now drug addicted, a young mother, and living in a shit hole of a house with a loser. She had reached out all those years ago...
For a good two or three years we were getting desperate calls from a mother about her glue sniffing addicted daughter. The usual going missing or causing a disturbance type thing. She was always off her face. She was about 12 at the time. She disappeared for a few years and it was not long ago we attended a call about a girl looking like a vagrant in a park. It was the the glue addicted girl. This time she could not stand, could not talk properly and was on something worse than glue. Her skin was covered in those sores druggies get and her stomach looked horrendous. There was a note on our records that about 6 months prior she had been found by NSW police with a fresh wound to her stomach that looked like a back yard cesarean section had been done on her and the whereabouts of the baby was unknown. This girl's parents had tried everything to help her. The girl was let down by the 'system' when she was a young glue addict. Her rights and freedoms were paramount.
Another seemingly increasing problem is young kids with autism. There are some violent ones out there and again there is virtually nothing that can be done to help the parents. They are on their own. There is one 12 year old boy in our area that goes into a fit of rage and becomes violent. He beats his mum during these fits. Mum is single and there is a teenage girl sticking around at home to help mum. They can handle the boy for now, but each day this boy is getting stronger. One day he will be too strong. And one day he will be old enough to be in society on his own, living with a girlfriend, going out getting drunk...
Not only that but dare I say it “normal” kids will calm down if they are losing a fight. Not kids with autism or other difficulties. A woman I was seeing had a young boy with these issues, Dad had fucked off and was no where to be seen and I briefly took on the role of helping her out as best I could but that and a few other issues meant she was never a long term option. It’s very sad because she’ll be pushing 60 when this kid is a teenager and at his worst.
I was there when the same kid was given a 'shot' by QAS to calm him down. It took forever for the kid to calm. QAS couldn't believe it.
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@mn5 said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@snowy said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@crazy-horse I can't upvote that. It's so depressing, but a good post.
I will say that at least you guys are doing what you can. Been through some rough shit myself and a sense of humour helps. You seem to have that sorted even if I am likely to be accidently shot should I set foot in Queensland.
From my time working in comms I can confirm old school cops have some seriously twisted wit. I guess it’s a coping mechanism
The public would be horrified if they knew what was joked about.
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@crazy-horse said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@mn5 said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@snowy said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@crazy-horse I can't upvote that. It's so depressing, but a good post.
I will say that at least you guys are doing what you can. Been through some rough shit myself and a sense of humour helps. You seem to have that sorted even if I am likely to be accidently shot should I set foot in Queensland.
From my time working in comms I can confirm old school cops have some seriously twisted wit. I guess it’s a coping mechanism
The public would be horrified if they knew what was joked about.
One that stuck with me was one of them discussing a suicide by train. Needless to say there wasn’t much left of the young fella that did it but the Sergeant mentioned he was “chuffed to bits”.
A darkly hilarious and fucked up comment in equal measure.
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@Crazy-Horse Yeah I know.
Re sense of humour and stressful situations - I did have a few where the shit had hit the fan from mechanical failures to raving loonies in the back of the plane. My go to comment was straight out of Airplane / Flying high. "Looks like I chose the wrong week to stop sniffing glue" out of various others. The other crew probably thought I was nuts but mostly seemed to take an "oh well we just got to fix this shit now and the boss isn't panicking" - even if I was a bit at times.
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@mn5 said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@crazy-horse said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@mn5 said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@snowy said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@crazy-horse I can't upvote that. It's so depressing, but a good post.
I will say that at least you guys are doing what you can. Been through some rough shit myself and a sense of humour helps. You seem to have that sorted even if I am likely to be accidently shot should I set foot in Queensland.
From my time working in comms I can confirm old school cops have some seriously twisted wit. I guess it’s a coping mechanism
The public would be horrified if they knew what was joked about.
One that stuck with me was one of them discussing a suicide by train. Needless to say there wasn’t much left of the young fella that did it but the Sergeant mentioned he was “chuffed to bits”.
A darkly hilarious and fucked up comment in equal measure.
A similar one springs to mind. We had just turned up at a house to find a female smouldering in the back yard after setting herself on fire. Next crew rocks up and a question is asked "So, is she hot?"
Police have to be careful now they all have Body Worn Cameras.
Hell must be full of dead police.
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@crazy-horse said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
A similar one springs to mind. We had just turned up at a house to find a female smouldering in the back yard after setting herself on fire. Next crew rocks up and a question is asked "So, is she hot?
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@crazy-horse said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
Hell must be full of dead police.
We're all welcome I think. Doctors, nurses (worst sick jokes ever).
Dentists for being sadists.
Lawyers and accountants make the grade but not for sense of humour.
Quite a party.
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I have read your accounts with interest - as you have experienced young crime is a demoralising and ugly facet of life and my observation, after a long time, is that there is no respite or improvement to be had. There are too many experts involved, who are not, and competing agendas.
This is another topical matter which resurfaced this week.
A liddle baby boy has been committed to stand trial for a double murder in suburban Brisbane on Australia Day. He was tearing through an intersection in a stolen Landcruiser, cleaned up a tow truck, rolled and wiped out a couple walking their dog. In their 30s, she was 6 months pregnant.
He “also faced a string of other charges” … dangerous driving while juiced up on some unnamed drug, burglary and wilful damage. I briefly saw some news footage of him appearing in court by video and he didn’t look much interested. The solicitor for the cheeky little funster “was instructed that he is profoundly sorry (that he got caught) but he would be disputing that he knew that, by his manner of driving, he would probably cause those deaths. That is an element required in Section 302 (1) aa blah blah blah”.
Those two things are reminders to the magistrate that she has an obligation to not unduly pressure the prisons budget and that the defendant’s solicitor planned to help her in achieving that.
He attempted to do a runner, in which he had prior experience because the early media reports stated he was “on bail” for vehicle theft (?) and evading police recently. There were other past charges reported in January but all of these disappeared from view when, within days, the police commissionerette¹ leaped to his cause demanding that the media not be horrid and judgemental because they must pretend that he has always been a good boy, a lovely boy.
The Law Society and others who are there to protect lovely grubby boys above all others jumped on her bandwagon citing the Youth Justice Act.
Mrs Chief Constable managed to waste everyone’s time on January 29 with her clichéd “we do need to have a conversation about this … make sure we can stop it from happening again … look at the whole history of the life of this child and what interventions took place … look at what we need to learn from“ – all that stuff they learn about at crime technical college, to spruik when they need to insult the intelligence of the general population who pay for it all!
Since January he has become an adult but he’ll still be cradled in the caring arms of “the system” as a liddle baby. That system requires the families of the victims to go and gets tuft, evidently.
¹ Why am I so dismissive? She is of a Croation family, from the tropical Tablelands - we therefore expected a tough minded, unequivocal leader. She is not. Carroll is only marginally better than her predecessor who was woeful, insipid. I knew the previous bloke, Bob Atkinson, he was a leader and not a show pony, he kept the troops' minds on the job, not distracted by stupid ministers and effete judges.
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