Michael Leitch - would he make the All Blacks



  • Fuck yeah.
    Best Japanese player ever?
    Daisuke Ohata who?
    Biggest compliment I can give is that he'd be in the AB squad.
    Not a fan of non NZ eligible players in Super Rugby but love watching him.



  • I was thinking the same thing while watching tonight's match. He'd make most sides that's for sure.



  • Maybe but I reckon he'd be a bit of a Craig Clarke. Good enough to be in there but probably too old to have much of a chance.



  • Would love to have him in the wider squad at least. Would also take Tanaka over Kerr-Barlow and Perenara personally...



  • Yes, Leitch would make the ABs on current form.
    Big, powerful - he was superb for the Chiefs last season, really shored up the scrum and topped defensive duties with Cane. Really pleased to see him back - and stoked he chose the Chiefs over the Sunwolves this season, still in some kind of form.
    He's a natural leader with an excellent work ethic, and was a joy to watch with Japan in the WC. Was one of the reasons Japan was my second favourite team of the WC.



  • Sorry boobs. No.
    I'm a fan ( a big one now), but he's not ahead of any other options at 7 or 6, so is only an option if picked at 8. Which, I can't see happening because Read.
    So, to get selected you have to cover multiple positions (which he does) but also beat out Ioane, Thomson, Luatua, or Dixon. Not counting Messam who is currently unavailable.
    He's 27, so he's not that old, but I don't see him getting picked ahead of:
    Luatua: 24
    Ioane: 20
    Thomson: 25
    Dixon: 26
    So, as a Chiefs fan I'm all for him. But, I doubt that he would be an AB.



  • It's hard to judge when he hasn't been in the NZ system all these years. It might have made him even better, or he might have got lost in the system and ended up playing up in Japan for retirement money now.



  • Yeah nah. As well as those gt12 listed i would have vito and probably squire ahead of him too.



  • Sorry boobs. No.
    I'm a fan ( a big one now), but he's not ahead of any other options at 7 or 6, so is only an option if picked at 8. Which, I can't see happening because Read.
    So, to get selected you have to cover multiple positions (which he does) but also beat out Ioane, Thomson, Luatua, or Dixon. Not counting Messam who is currently unavailable.
    He's 27, so he's not that old, but I don't see him getting picked ahead of:
    Luatua: 24
    Ioane: 20
    Thomson: 25
    Dixon: 26
    So, as a Chiefs fan I'm all for him. But, I doubt that he would be an AB.

    Yeah, this. We just have so much talent right now.



  • I'd quite like to see Squire in AB training squads this year. Bit of mongrel in him too



  • Sorry boobs. No.
    I'm a fan ( a big one now), but he's not ahead of any other options at 7 or 6, so is only an option if picked at 8. Which, I can't see happening because Read.
    So, to get selected you have to cover multiple positions (which he does) but also beat out Ioane, Thomson, Luatua, or Dixon. Not counting Messam who is currently unavailable.
    He's 27, so he's not that old, but I don't see him getting picked ahead of:
    Luatua: 24
    Ioane: 20
    Thomson: 25
    Dixon: 26
    So, as a Chiefs fan I'm all for him. But, I doubt that he would be an AB.

    I think you have missed the point.
    Is he good enough to be an AB? Yes.
    Would he get in the current side when the declared captain plays in his best position and it isn't a position that carries specialist reserves? No.



  • Ioane technically isn't available until the end of year tour either.



  • tough question to answer, as someone alluded to above, had he been in NZ his path would have been much different and as such may have played in a team where he was stuck behind someone else or simply didnt cut it in NZ.
     
    He's playing some top code and probably the best 8 in NZ at present.



  • I think you have missed the point.
    Is he good enough to be an AB? Yes.
    Would he get in the current side when the declared captain plays in his best position and it isn't a position that carries specialist reserves? No.

    Was that the point though? Would he make the ABs?/He would be be in the squad as suggested in the original post is still a no when looking at the other guys who would be in front of him.
    If its an exercise in if A, B, C and D better players didn't exist he would be in then whats the point. If lots of players didn't exist I would be first choice.



  • Was that the point though? Would he make the ABs?/He would be be in the squad as suggested in the original post is still a no when looking at the other guys who would be in front of him.
    If its an exercise in if A, B, C and D better players didn't exist he would be in then whats the point. If lots of players didn't exist I would be first choice.

    But are you just judging the guys ability compared to others or taking into account the makeup of a squad and who is the captain as well.
    All things being equal he would be very close in that he is a better 8 than Kaino or Vito. But with Read being there then he doesn't make it only because of players that cover more positions a little better.



  • On form he is displaying at the moment he'd be in an AB squad I would choose. Covers 3 positions. Playing like an AB.



  • I think you have missed the point.
    Is he good enough to be an AB? Yes.
    Would he get in the current side when the declared captain plays in his best position and it isn't a position that carries specialist reserves? No.

    I thought the question was whether he would make the ABs. He wouldn't make my squad (reasons above), but he would make Boobs.
    And, if the question is 'is he playing well enough that you wouldn't be unhappy to see him in black?' Or 'is he good enough to be an AB?' Then yes, for sure.
    But I still wouldn't pick him.



  • Playing like an AB.

    What does that actually mean?



  • What does that actually mean?

    What I mean by that is doing everything right, and making a (positive) difference when he does. Having an impact, often and not making mistakes.
    It's what I in my role as armchair selector look for when selecting my All Blacks team.


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