Force v Crusaders



  • Crusaders:

    1. Wyatt Crockett  2. Codie Taylor  3. Owen Franks  4. Luke Romano  5. Sam Whitelock  6. Jordan Taufua  7. Matt Todd  8. Kieran Read (c)
    2. Mitch Drummond  10. Richie Mo’unga  11. Nemani Nadolo  12. Ryan Crotty  13. Sean Wainui  14. Johnny McNicholl  15.  Ben Volavola
       
      Reserves:
    3. Ged Robinson  17. Joe Moody  18. Mike Alaalatoa  19. Scott Barrett  20. Jimmy Tupou  21. Andy Ellis  22. Kieron Fonotia  23. Jone Macilai


  • Force:

    1. Pekahou Cowan  2. Heath Tessmann  3. Tetera Faulkner  4. Sitiveni (Steve) Mafi  5. Adam Coleman  6. Angus Cottrell  7. Matt Hodgson Â©  8. Ben McCalman
    2. Alby Mathewson  10. Peter Grant  11. Semisi Masirewa  12. Solomoni (Junior) Rasolea  13. Ben Tapuai  14. Luke Morahan  15. Dane Haylett-Petty
       
      Reserves
    3. Nathan Charles  17. Francois van Wyk  18. Jermaine Ainsley  19. Rory Walton  20. Richard Hardwick  21. Ryan Louwrens  22. Ian Prior  23. Albert Nikoro


  • Glad we didn't get carried away with rotating players.
     
    This is the sort of game we have done exactly that in previous years and paid for it.
     
     
    I think this year Toddy has changed a couple of things.
     
    Firstly, his rotation policy as I outlined above
     
    Secondly, I think he's learnt from Jamie Joseph and the highlanders.. instead of constantly fanning out across the field we are committing more numbers to breakdowns this year in search of turnovers and quick ruck ball.
     
     
    Both changes are very positive in my ipinion.



  • Can anyone tell me what's the news on Mitchell hunt? Is he injured or just not getting any game time?
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  • Can anyone tell me what's the news on Mitchell hunt? Is he injured or just not getting any game time?
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    Not getting game time at this stage.
     
    Has been on tour with the squad, so is in the mix I suppose. 
     
     
    Wouldn't mind seeing him have a run at fullback instead of Volavola (although to be fair Volavola is playing much better than he did for Fiji last year). I think it's wise to keep Richie at 10 for now.



  • http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/78648475/aussie-tv-commentator-criticises-crusaders-basic-game-plan
     
    Marto and Big Stormin Normin providing a bit of extra motivation for tonight 🙂



  • Who cares if the game plan is basic. Especially if it is winning games. And it still should be too good for the Farce.



  • I don't think he's wrong about the basic gameplan, the Saders attack is super predictable compared to the other 4 NZ teams, but the opposition still have to be good enough to contain them and I don't think the Force have any chance of doing that (out of the Aussie teams at the moment, only the Brumbies probably do). Their only real chance is if the Saders are tired from the travel and have underestimated them like they have the Force/Rebels a few times over the years.



  • the Crusaders have long used the side to side stuff, but they have a bit of variation with some penetrative runners out there and is making a big difference



  • the Crusaders have long used the side to side stuff, but they have a bit of variation with some penetrative runners out there and is making a big difference

    Yeah we've definately changed things up a bit this year.
     
    it's only taken 4 years for Blackadder to learn 🙂 And if you ask me, he's pretty much copied the highlanders blueprint from last year



  • I think people are being a bit harsh on Blackadder's attack structures. The Crusaders have consistently been one of the best attacking teams in Super Rugby under his tutelage. Pretty sure they topped the NZ conference attack stats last year, despite the Hurricanes topping the table.



  • I think people are being a bit harsh on Blackadder's attack structures. The Crusaders have consistently been one of the best attacking teams in Super Rugby under his tutelage. Pretty sure they topped the NZ conference attack stats last year, despite the Hurricanes topping the table.

    From memory we had a few big wins last year (sharks and reds game spring to mind) but really struggled to score against the other NZ teams.
     
    Think we only scored 1 try in 2 games against the Chiefs. despite having enough posession to be competitive.



  • They topped the "smash shit out of the crap teams" board while looking largely ineffective against the top sides.



  • They topped the "smash shit out of the crap teams" board while looking largely ineffective against the top sides.

    Agree 🙂
     
    "you can come up with stats to prove anything Kent. Fofty percent of all people know that"



  • They topped the "smash shit out of the crap teams" board while looking largely ineffective against the top sides.

    Just saying, Blackadder always cops plenty of grief for how poorly his team attacks, but even when they top the attack stats for the entire competition people still cricticise them for being one dimensional and easy to read in attack.



  • Dilbert has a view on this too
     
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  • Dilbert has a view on this too
     
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    because of my role, i always liked this one



  • I'm not making any numbers up TR.
     
    I don't have last season's table in front of me, but I know if the Crusaders weren't the highest scoring team during the round-robin fixtures in 2015 than they were very close to the highest. Now people can choose to ignore this fact and point to the fact that they didn't score many tries against the Chiefs, but when it comes to point scoring Blackadder can't do much more than have his team score more points than any other team.



  • my post was in response to SammyC's one above yours....not saying you made them up, just that was mildly related and funny!



  • my post was in response to SammyC's one above yours....not saying you made them up, just that was mildly related and funny!

    No worries, I wasn't sure if you were responding to my post.



  • Just saying, Blackadder always cops plenty of grief for how poorly his team attacks, but even when they top the attack stats for the entire competition people still cricticise them for being one dimensional and easy to read in attack.

    Because those things aren't mutually exclusive. It's entirely possible to top the attacks stats with a one dimensional and easy to read attack, it all depends on the opposition.
     
    Stats don't give you the full story.



  • Because those things aren't mutually exclusive. It's entirely possible to top the attacks stats with a one dimensional and easy to read attack, it all depends on the opposition.
     
    Stats don't give you the full story.

    Fair enough, I just disagree that the Crusaders attack has been as bad as some people to make out. And I disagree that a team can have the best attack in the comp if they are" one dimensional" and "easy to read". That defies common sense and logic. The Crusaders may not have had the most potent backline in Super Rugby last year, but a high portion of their points were scored off set pieces and through the forwards. That's still 'attack' IMO. If anything, a team that can score through both the forwards and the backs is less one dimensional and harder to read than a team that relies solely on brilliant backline play.



  • No-one said they had the worst attack in the world, just the worst attack in NZ. We have high standards.



  • No-one said they had the worst attack in the world, just the worst attack in NZ. We have high standards.

    I didn't say that anyone said they had the worst attack in the world.
     
    In 2015 the Crusaders scored more points that any other team in Super Rugby. Now I'm not suggesting that this means that they were God's gift to attacking Rugby, and yes their overly lateral, side-to-side play was frustrating at times. But I am really struggling to get my head around how people can consider the best attack in the comp to be "one dimensional" and "easy to read". How bad were all the other team's attacks if the team that scored the most points had such a poor attack?



  • Because, again, stats don't tell the full story. Scoring the most points doesn't mean you've got the best attack, it just means you scored the most points.



  • $1.95 to give the Force a 10.5pt start seems a good deal



  • $1.95 to give the Force a 10.5pt start seems a good deal

    Crusaders 11-20 would help me 😉



  • I didn't say that anyone said they had the worst attack in the world.
     
    In 2015 the Crusaders scored more points that any other team in Super Rugby. Now I'm not suggesting that this means that they were God's gift to attacking Rugby, and yes their overly lateral, side-to-side play was frustrating at times. But I am really struggling to get my head around how people can consider the best attack in the comp to be "one dimensional" and "easy to read". How bad were all the other team's attacks if the team that scored the most points had such a poor attack?

    Facts do nothing when you're arguing with the Fern's circle jerk, this is the forum that proclaimed Blackadder as a failure after the 2011 season. Best just to bait them and watch the fireworks.
     
    Tana's record as coach is shithouse compared to Blackadder's.



  • Tana's record as coach is shithouse compared to Blackadder's.

    Won the same number of Super Rugby championships though.



  • Facts do nothing when you're arguing with the Fern's circle jerk, this is the forum that proclaimed Blackadder as a failure after the 2011 season. Best just to bait them and watch the fireworks.
     
    Tana's record as coach is shithouse compared to Blackadder's.

    Hmmm....how's Blackadder gone since then?



  • S'funny Caners.
    I thought about you and your cronies when the Blues hit the lead v the Chiefs tonight.
    That was a win-win regardless of the result huh?
    Chiefs lose: rip into the arrogant Chiefs fans. Pumped up self righteous tossers that they are. How dare they rate themselves. We've won 7, 7!, championships.
    Blues lose: yeah Tana's so good at rebuilding that "culture" at the Blues. Arrogant JAFAs. How dare they think that they can get better. We've won 7, 7!, championships.



  • The Crusaders are a far better attacking team then the Blues. The Blues have a lot more individual brilliance but the Crusaders have a well balanced backline where the players gel with each other. There is more to attack than scoring pretty tries.



  • $1.95 to give the Force a 10.5pt start seems a good deal

    Hope you're wrong.
    I've put the Crusaders -10.5 as my banker.



  • Hmmm....how's Blackadder gone since then?

    Pretty good man, 2 semi finals and a dodgy final loss to a crooked ref after topping our conference. And you?
     
    Anyhoo let's leave you jealous pig-island haters at the door; we should be much further ahead, too many turnovers. Forwards dominant, Read looking magnificent, McNicholl with good finishing for his try, Nadolo and Volavola look like they've met before. 
     
    How about... Tana's record as coach is worse than Mark Hammett's.



  • Pretty good man, 2 semi finals and a dodgy final loss to a crooked ref after topping our conference. And you?
     
    Anyhoo let's leave you jealous pig-island haters at the door; we should be much further ahead, too many turnovers. Forwards dominant, Read looking magnificent, McNicholl with good finishing for his try, Nadolo and Volavola look like they've met before. 
     
    How about... Tana's record as coach is worse than Mark Hammett's.

    Haha someone get this baby a tissue.



  • Pretty good man, 2 semi finals and a dodgy final loss to a crooked ref after topping our conference. And you?
     
    Anyhoo let's leave you jealous pig-island haters at the door; we should be much further ahead, too many turnovers. Forwards dominant, Read looking magnificent, McNicholl with good finishing for his try, Nadolo and Volavola look like they've met before. 
     
    How about... Tana's record as coach is worse than Mark Hammett's.

    Nah I haven't done any of those, I'm also a failure.
     
    I don't hate Pig-Island, heck I don't even know what it is. Is it a book?
     
    Of note - Romano has been pretty up and down, but has shown glimpses of being an AB, some good hits and work on defence. Read is going ok, but nowhere near what he's capable of, they just showed highlights of him kinda doing not much, but held onto the ball I guess. The Crusaders still with the side-to-side, but at least have runners moving forward. McNicholl starting to look like he belongs at this level.



  • Oh and Codie Taylor is looking bloody good, in good shape too.



  • Oh and Codie Taylor is looking bloody good, in good shape too.

    That step for McNicholl's try was awesome. Volavola having a bit of a meltdown.



  • Crusaders with some decent defence, but saved by a bit of white line fever there. Force narrow the Crusaders lead, 13-12. Crusaders have lost their shape a bit on attack.



  • Force have been attacking all second half, came away with 3 points. Ref affected by home crowd a few times too.
     
    S Whitelock off now which is bad.


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