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@Frank said in Springboks 2024:
Which players in the current squad that are to retire before the next WC will be replaced by someone realistically likely to be better?
With the current Springbok team, I’ve found it difficult to predict the playing level of uncapped players, as the coaching team seems to get a lot out of them. Who would’ve said Nche would eventually be the best loosehead prop in the world before he became a regular part of the Springbok team in 2021 as a 26 year old? Who would’ve guessed De Allende would be the most complete 12 since Nonu, if you saw him play in 2017? Where did Am come from, all of a sudden, in 2018 and ’19? This was a guy who was playing for the Southern Kings when he was 23 years old. The next year, he’s a Springbok. The year after that, one of the best centres in the game. It’s the same with Mapimpi, Mbonambi, Arendse, Kwagga, and so on.
The problem – if you’re an ABs fan, not a Springbok fan, obviously – is that the current Springbok coaching team have produced a team culture which gets the most out of a lot of the players. So it doesn’t really matter whether the next generation is more or less talented than this one. Erasmus seems to be able to get them at the level necessary to win games, which is what truly matters. Players like Cameron Hanekom and Ruan Venter are very talented rugby players but they won’t become regular Springboks unless they can perform the way Rassie wants them to perform (someone like Evan Roos is a good example of someone who has found it difficult to strike this balance despite being a real talent).
It's a very strong and effective team environment, which makes up for any potential issues in depth. Fassi isn’t as good of a playmaker as Willie Le Roux. But he has found other ways of contributing and other players have picked up some playmaking responsibilities, which is able to mask any frailties that were there. It works very well. It’s also very annoying when you don’t particularly like someone like Erasmus. You have to give him credit. But also, I really don't want to.
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@Mauss said in Springboks 2024:
@Frank said in Springboks 2024:
Which players in the current squad that are to retire before the next WC will be replaced by someone realistically likely to be better?
With the current Springbok team, I’ve found it difficult to predict the playing level of uncapped players, as the coaching team seems to get a lot out of them. Who would’ve said Nche would eventually be the best loosehead prop in the world before he became a regular part of the Springbok team in 2021 as a 26 year old? Who would’ve guessed De Allende would be the most complete 12 since Nonu, if you saw him play in 2017? Where did Am come from, all of a sudden, in 2018 and ’19? This was a guy who was playing for the Southern Kings when he was 23 years old. The next year, he’s a Springbok. The year after that, one of the best centres in the game. It’s the same with Mapimpi, Mbonambi, Arendse, Kwagga, and so on.
The problem – if you’re an ABs fan, not a Springbok fan, obviously – is that the current Springbok coaching team have produced a team culture which gets the most out of a lot of the players. So it doesn’t really matter whether the next generation is more or less talented than this one. Erasmus seems to be able to get them at the level necessary to win games, which is what truly matters. Players like Cameron Hanekom and Ruan Venter are very talented rugby players but they won’t become regular Springboks unless they can perform the way Rassie wants them to perform (someone like Evan Roos is a good example of someone who has found it difficult to strike this balance despite being a real talent).
It's a very strong and effective team environment, which makes up for any potential issues in depth. Fassi isn’t as good of a playmaker as Willie Le Roux. But he has found other ways of contributing and other players have picked up some playmaking responsibilities, which is able to mask any frailties that were there. It works very well. It’s also very annoying when you don’t particularly like someone like Erasmus. You have to give him credit. But also, I really don't want to.
Very good synopsis.
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@W32 said in Springboks 2024:
@Tim said in Springboks 2024:
True dat. South African rugby respects the hell out of the All Blacks, often to their own detriment. The respect is not returned, and the Springboks would do better if they were more ruthless.
What a stupid comment.
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@W32 said in Springboks 2024:
@Tim said in Springboks 2024:
True dat. South African rugby respects the hell out of the All Blacks, often to their own detriment. The respect is not returned, and the Springboks would do better if they were more ruthless.
The Boks need to be MORE ruthless? What have the ABs been playing, well-fed hippies?
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@Machpants said in Springboks 2024:
@W32 said in Springboks 2024:
The respect is not returned
LOL you honestly think the ABs don't respect the Boks?
Not as much as the boks respect the ABs.
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@W32 said in Springboks 2024:
@Machpants said in Springboks 2024:
@W32 said in Springboks 2024:
The respect is not returned
LOL you honestly think the ABs don't respect the Boks?
Not as much as the boks respect the ABs.
Based on?
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time for the #justice4respect armbands
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@KiwiMurph said in Springboks 2024:
@W32 said in Springboks 2024:
@Machpants said in Springboks 2024:
@W32 said in Springboks 2024:
The respect is not returned
LOL you honestly think the ABs don't respect the Boks?
Not as much as the boks respect the ABs.
Based on?
Just a reality with the mostly one sided results over the last 30 years. The boks were often a little star struck by playing the abs. Not good.
The pearl clutching is funny though
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@mariner4life said in Springboks 2024:
time for the #justice4respect armbands
Thanks for making my point
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@W32 said in Springboks 2024:
@mariner4life said in Springboks 2024:
time for the #justice4respect armbands
Thanks for making my point
Who knew @mariner4life was an ab!
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@Machpants said in Springboks 2024:
@W32 said in Springboks 2024:
@mariner4life said in Springboks 2024:
time for the #justice4respect armbands
Thanks for making my point
Who knew @mariner4life was an ab!
Hmmm you make a good point. The fans more so than the ABs.
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