We all wonder from time to time how the performance of referee's is reviewed.

This is from the article below:

“Within certain sections of the fan community, there’s a lack of understanding of the depth of performance review we go through.

“We are Test match performers and just like a world-class team the reviews and learning are deep and detailed. Post-match most of the referees will get the live notes straight away – either directly from Joel or from the match assessor.

“You will get some feedback from your coach who is actually watching it very carefully from the screen and an overall comment on what was the topline feeling and maybe some notes on the big decisions and their outcomes.”

He's right that there isn't a sufficient understanding of the performance review of test referees, but I think that World Rugby, SANZAAR and all other organisations responsible for organising international tours, tournaments and competitions could themselves improve that understanding by more openess about both that review process and the results of that process. That doesn't have to, and shouldn't, happen by throwing a referee under the bus like they've done in the past with a referee like Angus Gardner, but more openess could - hopefully - prevent the likes of Rassie Erasmus from venting his own inflammatory "reviews" on social media. It won't stop all the morons who threatened Wayne Barnes and his family from doing the same to the next ref that officiates a game of their team (especially when that team loses), but it may help a bit.

Another Test referee speaks out on 'certain sections of the fan community' Another Test referee speaks out on 'certain sections of the fan community'

Referee Nika Amashukeli has become the latest Test official to speak out following what he describes as disgraceful abuse directed at Wayne Barnes and his family during the Autumn Nations.

LibBok performance

@Bones said in France vs Springboks:

I guess this goes here?

Ben James  /  Dec 14, 2022  /  Rugby News Wayne Barnes considered quitting after threats to family over Erasmus criticism Wayne Barnes considered quitting after threats to family over Erasmus criticism

The abuse came after Barnes took charge of South Africa's defeat to France last month

Barnes siding with the French over a controversial match? well I never...

this looks like it could also go in the conspiracy theory thread, recently known as the Laporte thread.. its evidence he is corrupt lol!

@MajorRage said in Ireland v South Africa:

@pakman said in Ireland v South Africa:

@pakman said in Ireland v South Africa:

Just saw clip which showed Hansen try came from an illegal kick through ruck by Keenan.

Georgian tryo was looking right at ruck and missed it.

🤔

I genuinely feel sorry for whoever took all that time to make that video. Genuinely.

He does one after every Boks match...

@Frank nope , not at all. As a Stormers supporter I hate the current gameplan as much as anyone else. Our coach tried the same (when we had the Bok tight 5, Kolisi and PSdT) but he changed that and got results

@SidBarret said in Argentina v Bokke 1:

@Bones pretty sure i saw the rule clarification posted somewhere online. Doleman applied a stupid rule correctly I think.

not this section? Doesn't seem clear to me

worldrugby.org Laws of the Game | World Rugby Laws Laws of the Game | World Rugby Laws

Individual Laws of the game of rugby union.

Belated watch of second half.

Not much in it. Injuries buggered Aussie backline, and the way the half went hampered what looked to me like opportunity against tiring Boks.

As it was, BOK’s refereeing mid half left a lot to be desired. Nine consecutive penalties including seven around 22 only gave way to warning, when a yellow was warranted. Then TMO call for relieving penalty. Wallabies might well have expected to have scored a try after all that at around 60, and at 10-17 would have made it more interesting.

As was, Boks’ mugging of Gold in H1 was always likely to be decisive.

@nostrildamus there’s only one ball and we want it - Pinetree, probably.

FULL GAME: All Blacks v South Africa (2022 - Johannesburg)

@Bones said in Pick the score, AB v Boer v1.0:

@nostrildamus said in Pick the score, AB v Boer v1.0:

@Bones said in Pick the score, AB v Boer v1.0:

@nostrildamus said in Pick the score, AB v Boer v1.0:

24-10. Head says Boks. Heart says oh the pain. Edit ok I just read "Belief and confidence remain high in our group, which is working incredibly hard this week," said Foster.

Well that changes everything. 29-24 All Blacks.

Only the bold predict a score incorrectly for a game played 5 days ago.

Note to self: next time building a time machine remember the reading glasses.

You could always pop over to the match thread and predict the team?

What, put the right post in the correct thread? Outrageous!
And even thinking about the final score a second time gives me palpitations.
If I'm watching the second test, I'm drinking.

@pakman said in Springboks v All Blacks I:

@Bones said in Springboks v All Blacks I:
Some Welsh in the family?

No I'm sure they keep their side of the bargain.

The first 15 minutes were pretty crazy. Welsh tackle count ? and penalty count? It was pretty impressive from the Boks. The guys left a few tries out there but still won pretty comfortably after their week off. Thought Carley was decent but the turf at CT stadium needs sorting asap. Trevor N and PTSD still need gametime imo. Hope the guys enjoyed sinking a few together afterwards because it really was a tense tight series and I think that next year‘s World Cup is lining up to be a pretty tight affair as well where small margins are going to make a big difference. The Welsh Irish French Scots and Argies will all be looking to get their names engraved for the first time with arguably more justifiable hope than ever before. Love it.
Lastly…Quick off topic shout out to Chile for beating USA 👌🏻

@Billy-Webb said in Springboks v Wales 2nd Test:

Congrats to Wales. Enjoy @MiketheSnow

2 comments:

Most undeserved YC I've ever seen. Hard luck to AWJ. I can only imagine how spitting mad any Welshman must have been.

Not a terrible outing for the Boks. In the final reckoning, the inexperience and at times lack of combination time showed. But the players will be better for it. Some of them will have advanced their claims, while others are clearly still work in progress.

Looking forward to the series decider this weekend. I'll be there and expect / hope for a good one.

Cheers

Agreed on both counts

Enjoy

@gibbon-rib worked for Barnes.

@smuts said in England vs Springbokke:

I hope @Catogrande is recovering well. But I’m also hoping the boks are heading home thinking about how critical developing a more incisive attack is.

Thank you. My recovery was going well but due to recent self medication consisting mainly of Chenin blanc, I may be relapsing.

@mikethesnow said in Scotland v Springboks - Raeburn Shield Match:

@mn5 said in Scotland v Springboks - Raeburn Shield Match:

@mikethesnow said in Scotland v Springboks - Raeburn Shield Match:

@mn5 said in Scotland v Springboks - Raeburn Shield Match:

@mikethesnow said in Scotland v Springboks - Raeburn Shield Match:

@mn5 said in Scotland v Springboks - Raeburn Shield Match:

@mikethesnow said in Scotland v Springboks - Raeburn Shield Match:

@tordah said in Scotland v Springboks - Raeburn Shield Match:

All over. Finn "Dan Carter" Russell not having his best game, but not helped by Scottish forwards getting absolutely dominated.

Showed today he’s not a Test player

Well, aside from 50 odd caps for Scotland, two Lions tours and generally being lauded as the most creative 10 in the UK you’re definitely right.

International player who blows very hot & very cold.

That’s not a Test player in my book.

Spencer v Mehrtens springs to mind.

So if you have an off game you’re not a test player ?

He’s had a tad more than one

Oh for sure but I think an apt description of him and his style of play is “mercurial”…..a bit like Spencer as you mentioned, Quade Cooper and his coach Gregor Townsend. I don’t think you can really label him “not a test player” as just the week before he orchestrated a very good win over Australia.

He also does extremely well for someone built like a pro soccer player.

There’s no doubting his talent and skills.

He may well be remembered as one of Scotland’s greats.

Shallow pool but yeah. Up there with Townsend, Chalmers and Rutherford.

@pakman said in Wales v South Africa:

I haven't watched a Squidge video for while, forgot what they're like and made the mistake of trying to watch at 1x speed

@machpants said in All Blacks vs Springboks II:

There is also a premium article on Rugbypass, pointing out similar errors. In addition, the lack of growth in attacking plays, with the same plays that were used Vs Fiji& Oz, also used Vs boks. Not only that, they've been around since the Hansen era

The try mentioned is the Savea one, which was just saying beaudy brilliance, and not a set play

The try highlighted the possibilities for the All Blacks had they schemed deliberately for what they were facing, instead of rolling out Foster’s same old menu and trying to take on the Springboks in areas of strength like the maul.

Based on their two games against the Springboks, Rennie and his staff looked far superior to the All Blacks brains trust when it came to game planning for the world champions.

They tailored their game to the opposition to attack the weaknesses, whereas the All Blacks naively went brazenly forward trying to attack South Africa’s strengths and it backfired.

This should be a key lesson for Foster’s All Blacks moving forward. In the organised parts of the game, they cannot change the pieces performing the roles, run the same plays against everyone and expect them to work.

There needs to be some flexibility there and more thought into the process.

The fact that they were running the same starter play with McKenzie on the left wing showed a certain level of naivety that, to no surprise, blew up.

In tight test matches where counter-attacking opportunities dry up, the All Blacks will need to have a clinical set-piece attacking plan which, at times, needs to be adjusted for the opposition.

They might have the most attacking talent in the world, but they still need decent plans to be devised to help them get the match-ups and space they need to let their skills shine.

You cannot roll up and play the same against Fiji as you do against the Springboks and expect to win handsomely.

It could work, or it could just as easily blow up like it did twice in the Rugby Championship..

Sorry to go back to this ...
Fair enough the Boks were up in our faces, brutal, energetic rugged commonsense rugby with some nicely worked out tries, pinpointed our weakest players, Vermeulen was again very good but very good at key moments (so, great player), their locks are bigger and tougher than before and quite frankly Taylor went into his shell after his miscatch, DMac and Havili and Richie were pounced on, they just don't have the mass, Patty T is a turnover waiting to happen, and Scotty B made yet more little stupid yellow coloured mistakes in front of the ref. I don't think he is a journeyman, just a solid international quality hardworking lock with brain fades at key moments.
But we lack a hardworking hardnosed lock when Sammy W. is not there (and he is more an all-round hardworking good lock with great rugby brain rather than a hard bugger) and BBBR was still working back to his physically dominant self (but not in this match).

Loosies: I thought Akira was generally ok, Savea was good, it was at 8 that a forward went missing. When Blackadder came on he was up in their faces and battled. So I am still surprised, what the hell happened to LJ, where was he? I saw him standing behind rucks and a bit after halftime but nothing dominant, nothing much to see.
I wonder if we still have a key problem at 8 as well.

I don't blame the coaches too much (apart, as the article rightly says, not targetting opposition weaknesses). but they should have realized DH would be targetted at 12, there is little point in DMac against the ABs if there are 2 10s (and you want JB on as long as possible, he was great again), but at midfield, we lacked dominance we lacked impact, and we lacked imagination. And Samisoni is clearer better for this sort of game than Asafo.

Shout out to wings, I thought they played well. But we really have depth problems at lock and selection issues in the midfield. We were lucky the Boks persist with Pollard and Le Roux and can't get Steyn to full game fitness. He looks like a truckstop diner not a deft placement kicker but boy can he get them key territory.

I thought the ref missed neck rolls/high tackles, offsides at rucks, general offsides and so forth but hey it was what it was. We had an off night and they had an on night.
I thought we were outcoached as well, their bench timing was great again.

@kruse said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:

One thing TSF is terribly good at is straw man arguments.

It's entirely fine and proper to point out a player isn't up to Test rugby at that stage of their development. That doesn't rule out maturity and improvement. It certainly doesn't rule out criticism.

Again that's not the argument. It's when a player is ripped to shreds as being shit, not up to it etc. And again let's stop pretending nuance is a thing here.

Nuance is a thing everywhere. If only you can recognise/understand it.
And it's "balderdash".
Boulder Dash was a sweet little computer game.

Stick to reviewing shitty Movies. It's a much better use of your time.

@machpants said in Wallabies v Springboks II:

@nta said in Wallabies v Springboks II:

@smuts said in Wallabies v Springboks II:

Congrats Aussies. First time in forever that I’ve not even watched the highlights. Hope it feels great.

Cheers. Not a great couple of games by your okes but hopefully they'll take it out on the ABs 😉

I don't know much about your coach, but a quick wiki search shows he's Rassie's man, and TBH it smacks a little of nepotism. Hopefully there is a bit of a shakeup and the Boks find their groove. And some fitness training!

One thing on which I agree with Keo: trying to play like someone else is just going to hurt the Boks. Use their strengths by all means, but they've not yet made sure they can execute that to the level required against faster teams.

That would never happen in the ABs……

Not a little smack, no...

@machpants said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:

@frye said in Wallabies vs Springboks I:

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Malherbe hardly in fine fettle either.

Can you imagine what he's gonna look like after retiring? 😲

Foster? 😜

must have been a cold day..

@smuts said in Springboks v Pumas 2 - 21 August:

@bones it’s all relative… I’ll show myself out.

Subliminal...so the ref is related to one or many green jersey wearers? 😉

@sidbarret not the first team to look toothless in that position against this bok team. Won’t be the last either.

Interesting to see how the aftermath of the Rassie thing has been totally ignored by the local media and official channels.

Glad to hear that the result of the series is not being over-turned though! But, a bit disappointing that 3 of the allegations of errors were found incorrect by the expert officials panel. He was ruled correct on only a measly 23 of them.

But, the huge leaked revelation/allegation is that Erasmus sent a copy of the video to Referee Nic Berry before it surfaced in Aussie media. Looks like somebody deliberately hung Erasmus out to dry. I wonder if any action will be taken on that, as apparently sending a review video to a referee is not a novel thing?

@machpants said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions II:

Best banter from Squidge, 6:16 in - so true

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The brushing under the carpet has worked its magic on me. I don't remember any Guilford only a Guildford..

@sidbarret our refs are very strict on this on CC. My first thought was red.

Just watched that last 20 minutes of the Boks A and Bulls, well done to the Bulls for scrapping out a win. Boks A looked rattled.

The Georgia Head Coach, Levan Maisashvili, is in hospital in South Africa with Covid on a ventilator after suffering severe lung damage.

Georgia coach Maisashvili in hospital Georgia coach Maisashvili in hospital

Georgia head coach Levan Maisashvili is in a Johannesburg hospital with "serious lung damage" after testing positive for Covid-19.

Wishing him all the best for a full recovery.

Citing complaint received relating to Bok winger Mapimpi Citing complaint received relating to Bok winger Mapimpi

Makazole Mapimpi has been cited for allegedly making contact with the eye area of the player during the weekend match with Bordeaux Begles

@Bones YOU are the annoying one, how dare you summon me into the sports chat, you know I'm not to be trusted in here....

@sidbarret said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:

@stodders the two things that stick out are the stoppages and that incident where the s&c coach got told off in NZ2.

Townsend had a bit of wingh this week about his players being sledged from the sidelines by the SA support staff (though I think he missed the actual sledge - the comments were in Afrikaans and half his team understood what was said - call it a meta sledge).

It's all very class stuff.

If you win it's fine (see Aussie cricket circa 2003) but if lose or are just average you soon become Aussie cricket in 2018.

See Haddin ODI CWC Final 2015... to quote: we won didn't we?

@Catogrande said in [Poll] Who would you prefer to win?:

@Tim said in [Poll] Who would you prefer to win?:

@booboo No, @Catogrande is having consolation sex with Katie Hopkins.

Which would explain my lack of posting yesterday, It took me ages to escape from her cellar.

She must watch too many movies

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That is rather amusing.

I wonder what the Lions did to him?

@Crucial said in RWC: Wales v South Africa (SF2):

@MiketheSnow one of his better ones.
When this guy stops trying to be a comedian his analysis is very good

Yep.

Remarkable when you consider the drivel which comes out of SCW's mouth most of the time, and he's a WC winner ffs

@Bovidae said in RWC: Japan v South Africa (QF 4):

The good sauce is that both Foster and Robertson want Brown as their attack coach.

Party at Tony Brown's?

@Salacious-Crumb fair enough. Yet another reason why I resent our press.

@No-Quarter said in Eben Etzebeth:

@Billy-Webb that is absolutely insane

Agreed.
Note that I have no opinion about his guilt or innocence in terms of a criminal charge. If the police find enough evidence for the prosecuting authority to bring charges, then he needs to face up to these like anyone else.

But the HRC and Equality Court is another matter.

@antipodean said in RWC: South Africa v Italy (Pool 😎:

Can't help but feel what's holding Italy back is that the majority of their players play for Italian clubs.

Apparently the forwards on the bench, according to one of the commentators, all came from the one club.

All the best domestic Italian players are from either Bennetton or Zebre as they play in the Pro14 so are playing at a higher standard than the Italian Top12. Looking at their RWC squad there are only 5 players who play outside of Italy (1 in France, 4 in England).

@Rapido said in RWC: South Africa v Namibia (Pool 😎:

The missed forward pass was disgusting refereeing. No excuse, was static ball from base of a ruck, no forward momentum to consider. Pathetic. Get better at your job.

I assume you mean the one from scrumhalf Jantjies that led to another Mapimpi try?

It was defintely backwards out of the hands - if you viewed it from the other side, while standing on your head, with both eyes closed...

Shocker of a missed call. I called it watching live as it happened. Clearly forward. Very surprised that at a minimum the TMO did not call it back.