All Blacks 2025
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@george33 said in All Blacks 2025:
@sparky respect your opinion, but Proctor , just don't see it ,let's see how he goes in next couple months.,
It’s not only my opinion mate. The drums have been beating pretty loudly for Proctor to start for a while now and at some point he’ll be too hard to ignore.
I take it you didn’t watch his performance against the Brumbies on Saturday? Either that or you didn’t have your contacts in because he was all class on both sides of the ball and that’s what the ABs have been missing consistently in a centre for far too long.
Personally I wouldn’t mind if the ABs rolled out this team against the French.
- Williams
- Taylor
- Lomax
- Barrett
- Va’ai
- Sititi
- Lakai
- Savea
- Roigard
- McKenzie
- Ioane (I’d back him over Clarke)
- Barrett
- Proctor
- Jordan
- Love
- Taukei’aho
- De Groot
- Tosi
- Holland
- Kirifi
- Ratima
- Barrett
- Lam
I may be a moron, but I don't think the best All Blacks team includes six Hurricanes starting, with a further two on the bench.
With the form he is in, Jordan should and will get first crack at fullback, and I don't think you should see Savea, Lakai and Kirifi all in the same 23. Need another big body (probably Finau).
Yeah I agree I can’t see that team happening
Or deserve those selections
.Says the Blackadder fan.
Says the in love with Love
man who has done fuck all.
And 2 midget Cane LFs is not the way to go one yeah but two nah.I’d have Jordan at fullback but he lacks a proper kicking game which you need at international level. IMO, he’s also a better wing for the ABs.
That leaves either Beaudy or Love at fullback and I would sway towards Love because he’s only going to get better, while Barrett is only going to decline with age.
I personally think Love has yet to show at Super Rugby level that he is top top quality. If we want a kicking game at the back, then play Jordie back there and go with Tupaea at 12.
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@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@george33 said in All Blacks 2025:
@sparky respect your opinion, but Proctor , just don't see it ,let's see how he goes in next couple months.,
It’s not only my opinion mate. The drums have been beating pretty loudly for Proctor to start for a while now and at some point he’ll be too hard to ignore.
I take it you didn’t watch his performance against the Brumbies on Saturday? Either that or you didn’t have your contacts in because he was all class on both sides of the ball and that’s what the ABs have been missing consistently in a centre for far too long.
Personally I wouldn’t mind if the ABs rolled out this team against the French.
- Williams
- Taylor
- Lomax
- Barrett
- Va’ai
- Sititi
- Lakai
- Savea
- Roigard
- McKenzie
- Ioane (I’d back him over Clarke)
- Barrett
- Proctor
- Jordan
- Love
- Taukei’aho
- De Groot
- Tosi
- Holland
- Kirifi
- Ratima
- Barrett
- Lam
I may be a moron, but I don't think the best All Blacks team includes six Hurricanes starting, with a further two on the bench.
With the form he is in, Jordan should and will get first crack at fullback, and I don't think you should see Savea, Lakai and Kirifi all in the same 23. Need another big body (probably Finau).
I didn’t say it was the team Razor would pick, it’s the team I would pick. I reckon that loose trio would be bloody hard to stop. Forget Finau, what’s he actually done apart from putting a few big shots on a couple of tiny number 10s?
I know that is your team, but I personally don't think it is a coincidence Moana have been so good, with Ardie looking like a million bucks with a proper blindisde and a proper eight next to him. Ardie excels in the wide channels, and is the best openside we have. Peter Lakai is a fucken awesome player, so I'd probably stick him on the bench, because i think he has 100 test AB written all over him.
I am also not overly convinced by Finau, so potentially if we are looking for an eight to do the dirty work with Sititi roaming at six, I couple be intrigued to see CLW rewarded with the spot at eight.
I’m all for having a big 6 in that trio but for me no one is really stepping up. Finau just seems like a default option and isn’t really setting the house on fire.
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@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@george33 said in All Blacks 2025:
@sparky respect your opinion, but Proctor , just don't see it ,let's see how he goes in next couple months.,
It’s not only my opinion mate. The drums have been beating pretty loudly for Proctor to start for a while now and at some point he’ll be too hard to ignore.
I take it you didn’t watch his performance against the Brumbies on Saturday? Either that or you didn’t have your contacts in because he was all class on both sides of the ball and that’s what the ABs have been missing consistently in a centre for far too long.
Personally I wouldn’t mind if the ABs rolled out this team against the French.
- Williams
- Taylor
- Lomax
- Barrett
- Va’ai
- Sititi
- Lakai
- Savea
- Roigard
- McKenzie
- Ioane (I’d back him over Clarke)
- Barrett
- Proctor
- Jordan
- Love
- Taukei’aho
- De Groot
- Tosi
- Holland
- Kirifi
- Ratima
- Barrett
- Lam
I may be a moron, but I don't think the best All Blacks team includes six Hurricanes starting, with a further two on the bench.
With the form he is in, Jordan should and will get first crack at fullback, and I don't think you should see Savea, Lakai and Kirifi all in the same 23. Need another big body (probably Finau).
Yeah I agree I can’t see that team happening
Or deserve those selections
.Says the Blackadder fan.
Says the in love with Love
man who has done fuck all.
And 2 midget Cane LFs is not the way to go one yeah but two nah.I’d have Jordan at fullback but he lacks a proper kicking game which you need at international level. IMO, he’s also a better wing for the ABs.
That leaves either Beaudy or Love at fullback and I would sway towards Love because he’s only going to get better, while Barrett is only going to decline with age.
I personally think Love has yet to show at Super Rugby level that he is top top quality. If we want a kicking game at the back, then play Jordie back there and go with Tupaea at 12.
I can see your thinking, I’d prefer Lam personally but Tupaea has also been solid.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@george33 said in All Blacks 2025:
@sparky respect your opinion, but Proctor , just don't see it ,let's see how he goes in next couple months.,
It’s not only my opinion mate. The drums have been beating pretty loudly for Proctor to start for a while now and at some point he’ll be too hard to ignore.
I take it you didn’t watch his performance against the Brumbies on Saturday? Either that or you didn’t have your contacts in because he was all class on both sides of the ball and that’s what the ABs have been missing consistently in a centre for far too long.
Personally I wouldn’t mind if the ABs rolled out this team against the French.
- Williams
- Taylor
- Lomax
- Barrett
- Va’ai
- Sititi
- Lakai
- Savea
- Roigard
- McKenzie
- Ioane (I’d back him over Clarke)
- Barrett
- Proctor
- Jordan
- Love
- Taukei’aho
- De Groot
- Tosi
- Holland
- Kirifi
- Ratima
- Barrett
- Lam
I may be a moron, but I don't think the best All Blacks team includes six Hurricanes starting, with a further two on the bench.
With the form he is in, Jordan should and will get first crack at fullback, and I don't think you should see Savea, Lakai and Kirifi all in the same 23. Need another big body (probably Finau).
Yeah I agree I can’t see that team happening
Or deserve those selections
.Says the Blackadder fan.
Says the in love with Love
man who has done fuck all.
And 2 midget Cane LFs is not the way to go one yeah but two nah.I’d have Jordan at fullback but he lacks a proper kicking game which you need at international level. IMO, he’s also a better wing for the ABs.
That leaves either Beaudy or Love at fullback and I would sway towards Love because he’s only going to get better, while Barrett is only going to decline with age.
Jordan has been very good the last few weeks with his kicking game certainly he is getting better at it.
And Jordan will be the FB his form means he deserves the spot.
Love for me just has not done enough to earn a starting spot as yet.
He has talent for sure but for me needs to show more to walk in to a starting spot . -
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
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@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
The other interesting ones are Samisoni and Asafo Aumua. I seriously would not discount McAllister usurping them. Moananu has probably been the form Super Rugby hooker, but I suspect McAllister's game would translate better to the international arena, which is often something cited by Jason Ryan.
McCalister? You’re having a laugh. Moananu isn’t bad at all but he’ll need a second year in Super to show he can keep the standard from what he’s shown this year.
McAlister has been the Chiefs best hooker this year, and has been really good - and has always been really good. Has struggled with injuries, but without Taylor blocking his path, he has strung together a strong season. Has been far more consistent than Taukei'aho and Aumua.
The latter two have just come back from injuries so give them time to get back to their best. At their best, they are miles better than McAlister.
Aumua has been back five games, and Taukei'aho eight. The whole point is they haven't been at their best. I think Aumua is probably safe, but there is no guarantee Taukei'aho ever reaches those heights again. An achilles injury can ruin a career.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@george33 said in All Blacks 2025:
@sparky respect your opinion, but Proctor , just don't see it ,let's see how he goes in next couple months.,
It’s not only my opinion mate. The drums have been beating pretty loudly for Proctor to start for a while now and at some point he’ll be too hard to ignore.
I take it you didn’t watch his performance against the Brumbies on Saturday? Either that or you didn’t have your contacts in because he was all class on both sides of the ball and that’s what the ABs have been missing consistently in a centre for far too long.
Personally I wouldn’t mind if the ABs rolled out this team against the French.
- Williams
- Taylor
- Lomax
- Barrett
- Va’ai
- Sititi
- Lakai
- Savea
- Roigard
- McKenzie
- Ioane (I’d back him over Clarke)
- Barrett
- Proctor
- Jordan
- Love
- Taukei’aho
- De Groot
- Tosi
- Holland
- Kirifi
- Ratima
- Barrett
- Lam
I may be a moron, but I don't think the best All Blacks team includes six Hurricanes starting, with a further two on the bench.
With the form he is in, Jordan should and will get first crack at fullback, and I don't think you should see Savea, Lakai and Kirifi all in the same 23. Need another big body (probably Finau).
Yeah I agree I can’t see that team happening
Or deserve those selections
.Says the Blackadder fan.
Says the in love with Love
man who has done fuck all.
And 2 midget Cane LFs is not the way to go one yeah but two nah.I’d have Jordan at fullback but he lacks a proper kicking game which you need at international level. IMO, he’s also a better wing for the ABs.
That leaves either Beaudy or Love at fullback and I would sway towards Love because he’s only going to get better, while Barrett is only going to decline with age.
I personally think Love has yet to show at Super Rugby level that he is top top quality. If we want a kicking game at the back, then play Jordie back there and go with Tupaea at 12.
I can see your thinking, I’d prefer Lam personally but Tupaea has also been solid.
I personally don't see it with Lam, but I know loads of others do. My only claim is that Tavatavanawai should be trialled in 23, because he is the sort of guy who could come on and make a genuine impact in the final 15 minutes of a game.
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@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@george33 said in All Blacks 2025:
@sparky respect your opinion, but Proctor , just don't see it ,let's see how he goes in next couple months.,
It’s not only my opinion mate. The drums have been beating pretty loudly for Proctor to start for a while now and at some point he’ll be too hard to ignore.
I take it you didn’t watch his performance against the Brumbies on Saturday? Either that or you didn’t have your contacts in because he was all class on both sides of the ball and that’s what the ABs have been missing consistently in a centre for far too long.
Personally I wouldn’t mind if the ABs rolled out this team against the French.
- Williams
- Taylor
- Lomax
- Barrett
- Va’ai
- Sititi
- Lakai
- Savea
- Roigard
- McKenzie
- Ioane (I’d back him over Clarke)
- Barrett
- Proctor
- Jordan
- Love
- Taukei’aho
- De Groot
- Tosi
- Holland
- Kirifi
- Ratima
- Barrett
- Lam
I may be a moron, but I don't think the best All Blacks team includes six Hurricanes starting, with a further two on the bench.
With the form he is in, Jordan should and will get first crack at fullback, and I don't think you should see Savea, Lakai and Kirifi all in the same 23. Need another big body (probably Finau).
I didn’t say it was the team Razor would pick, it’s the team I would pick. I reckon that loose trio would be bloody hard to stop. Forget Finau, what’s he actually done apart from putting a few big shots on a couple of tiny number 10s?
I know that is your team, but I personally don't think it is a coincidence Moana have been so good, with Ardie looking like a million bucks with a proper blindisde and a proper eight next to him. Ardie excels in the wide channels, and is the best openside we have. Peter Lakai is a fucken awesome player, so I'd probably stick him on the bench, because i think he has 100 test AB written all over him.
I am also not overly convinced by Finau, so potentially if we are looking for an eight to do the dirty work with Sititi roaming at six, I couple be intrigued to see CLW rewarded with the spot at eight.
I can't really spot the logic of saying Ardie is going great guns with a big 6/8 alongside him and then offering up CLW and Sititi as those guys.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@george33 said in All Blacks 2025:
@sparky respect your opinion, but Proctor , just don't see it ,let's see how he goes in next couple months.,
It’s not only my opinion mate. The drums have been beating pretty loudly for Proctor to start for a while now and at some point he’ll be too hard to ignore.
I take it you didn’t watch his performance against the Brumbies on Saturday? Either that or you didn’t have your contacts in because he was all class on both sides of the ball and that’s what the ABs have been missing consistently in a centre for far too long.
Personally I wouldn’t mind if the ABs rolled out this team against the French.
- Williams
- Taylor
- Lomax
- Barrett
- Va’ai
- Sititi
- Lakai
- Savea
- Roigard
- McKenzie
- Ioane (I’d back him over Clarke)
- Barrett
- Proctor
- Jordan
- Love
- Taukei’aho
- De Groot
- Tosi
- Holland
- Kirifi
- Ratima
- Barrett
- Lam
I may be a moron, but I don't think the best All Blacks team includes six Hurricanes starting, with a further two on the bench.
With the form he is in, Jordan should and will get first crack at fullback, and I don't think you should see Savea, Lakai and Kirifi all in the same 23. Need another big body (probably Finau).
Yeah I agree I can’t see that team happening
Or deserve those selections
.Says the Blackadder fan.
Says the in love with Love
man who has done fuck all.
And 2 midget Cane LFs is not the way to go one yeah but two nah.I’d have Jordan at fullback but he lacks a proper kicking game which you need at international level. IMO, he’s also a better wing for the ABs.
That leaves either Beaudy or Love at fullback and I would sway towards Love because he’s only going to get better, while Barrett is only going to decline with age.
Jordan has been very good the last few weeks with his kicking game certainly he is getting better at it.
And Jordan will be the FB his form means he deserves the spot.
Love for me just has not done enough to earn a starting spot as yet.
He has talent for sure but for me needs to show more to walk in to a starting spot .Fair call, I’m more worried that we shoe horn Barrett into the mix at 15 if we start DMac at 10. I guess what I’m trying to say with my selections is that we need to start blooding young talent. The Proctor’s, Lam’s and Love’s of the world need to at least start seeing more time in the test arena so we know what they are made of at the next level.
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@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
The other interesting ones are Samisoni and Asafo Aumua. I seriously would not discount McAllister usurping them. Moananu has probably been the form Super Rugby hooker, but I suspect McAllister's game would translate better to the international arena, which is often something cited by Jason Ryan.
McCalister? You’re having a laugh. Moananu isn’t bad at all but he’ll need a second year in Super to show he can keep the standard from what he’s shown this year.
McAlister has been the Chiefs best hooker this year, and has been really good - and has always been really good. Has struggled with injuries, but without Taylor blocking his path, he has strung together a strong season. Has been far more consistent than Taukei'aho and Aumua.
The latter two have just come back from injuries so give them time to get back to their best. At their best, they are miles better than McAlister.
Aumua has been back five games, and Taukei'aho eight. The whole point is they haven't been at their best. I think Aumua is probably safe, but there is no guarantee Taukei'aho ever reaches those heights again. An achilles injury can ruin a career.
Has he? He came back for a couple games and then got a concussion so was out last week.
Aumua and Samisoni will likely go head to head this week so a perfect opportunity for them to stake their claim.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@george33 said in All Blacks 2025:
@sparky respect your opinion, but Proctor , just don't see it ,let's see how he goes in next couple months.,
It’s not only my opinion mate. The drums have been beating pretty loudly for Proctor to start for a while now and at some point he’ll be too hard to ignore.
I take it you didn’t watch his performance against the Brumbies on Saturday? Either that or you didn’t have your contacts in because he was all class on both sides of the ball and that’s what the ABs have been missing consistently in a centre for far too long.
Personally I wouldn’t mind if the ABs rolled out this team against the French.
- Williams
- Taylor
- Lomax
- Barrett
- Va’ai
- Sititi
- Lakai
- Savea
- Roigard
- McKenzie
- Ioane (I’d back him over Clarke)
- Barrett
- Proctor
- Jordan
- Love
- Taukei’aho
- De Groot
- Tosi
- Holland
- Kirifi
- Ratima
- Barrett
- Lam
I may be a moron, but I don't think the best All Blacks team includes six Hurricanes starting, with a further two on the bench.
With the form he is in, Jordan should and will get first crack at fullback, and I don't think you should see Savea, Lakai and Kirifi all in the same 23. Need another big body (probably Finau).
I didn’t say it was the team Razor would pick, it’s the team I would pick. I reckon that loose trio would be bloody hard to stop. Forget Finau, what’s he actually done apart from putting a few big shots on a couple of tiny number 10s?
I know that is your team, but I personally don't think it is a coincidence Moana have been so good, with Ardie looking like a million bucks with a proper blindisde and a proper eight next to him. Ardie excels in the wide channels, and is the best openside we have. Peter Lakai is a fucken awesome player, so I'd probably stick him on the bench, because i think he has 100 test AB written all over him.
I am also not overly convinced by Finau, so potentially if we are looking for an eight to do the dirty work with Sititi roaming at six, I couple be intrigued to see CLW rewarded with the spot at eight.
I can't really spot the logic of saying Ardie is going great guns with a big 6/8 alongside him and then offering up CLW and Sititi as those guys.
Kind of agree, but also Miracle Fai'ilagi isn't eligible for the All Blacks, and IMO he'd stroll into the six jersey. Tupou Ta'eiloa isn't huge height wise, but the key is he plays like a proper number eight, as does Christian Lio-Willie. I'm not yet 100% sold on Sititi at eight, because he plays much looser than a traditional eight.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@george33 said in All Blacks 2025:
@sparky respect your opinion, but Proctor , just don't see it ,let's see how he goes in next couple months.,
It’s not only my opinion mate. The drums have been beating pretty loudly for Proctor to start for a while now and at some point he’ll be too hard to ignore.
I take it you didn’t watch his performance against the Brumbies on Saturday? Either that or you didn’t have your contacts in because he was all class on both sides of the ball and that’s what the ABs have been missing consistently in a centre for far too long.
Personally I wouldn’t mind if the ABs rolled out this team against the French.
- Williams
- Taylor
- Lomax
- Barrett
- Va’ai
- Sititi
- Lakai
- Savea
- Roigard
- McKenzie
- Ioane (I’d back him over Clarke)
- Barrett
- Proctor
- Jordan
- Love
- Taukei’aho
- De Groot
- Tosi
- Holland
- Kirifi
- Ratima
- Barrett
- Lam
I may be a moron, but I don't think the best All Blacks team includes six Hurricanes starting, with a further two on the bench.
With the form he is in, Jordan should and will get first crack at fullback, and I don't think you should see Savea, Lakai and Kirifi all in the same 23. Need another big body (probably Finau).
Yeah I agree I can’t see that team happening
Or deserve those selections
.Says the Blackadder fan.
Says the in love with Love
man who has done fuck all.
And 2 midget Cane LFs is not the way to go one yeah but two nah.I’d have Jordan at fullback but he lacks a proper kicking game which you need at international level. IMO, he’s also a better wing for the ABs.
That leaves either Beaudy or Love at fullback and I would sway towards Love because he’s only going to get better, while Barrett is only going to decline with age.
Jordan has been very good the last few weeks with his kicking game certainly he is getting better at it.
And Jordan will be the FB his form means he deserves the spot.
Love for me just has not done enough to earn a starting spot as yet.
He has talent for sure but for me needs to show more to walk in to a starting spot .Fair call, I’m more worried that we shoe horn Barrett into the mix at 15 if we start DMac at 10. I guess what I’m trying to say with my selections is that we need to start blooding young talent. The Proctor’s, Lam’s and Love’s of the world need to at least start seeing more time so we know what they are made of at the next level.
Nah to BB at fb I don’t want to see that again.
Proctor I would like to see get a crack at 13 something different if might add a fair bit. -
@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@Chris said in All Blacks 2025:
@frugby said in All Blacks 2025:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2025:
@george33 said in All Blacks 2025:
@sparky respect your opinion, but Proctor , just don't see it ,let's see how he goes in next couple months.,
It’s not only my opinion mate. The drums have been beating pretty loudly for Proctor to start for a while now and at some point he’ll be too hard to ignore.
I take it you didn’t watch his performance against the Brumbies on Saturday? Either that or you didn’t have your contacts in because he was all class on both sides of the ball and that’s what the ABs have been missing consistently in a centre for far too long.
Personally I wouldn’t mind if the ABs rolled out this team against the French.
- Williams
- Taylor
- Lomax
- Barrett
- Va’ai
- Sititi
- Lakai
- Savea
- Roigard
- McKenzie
- Ioane (I’d back him over Clarke)
- Barrett
- Proctor
- Jordan
- Love
- Taukei’aho
- De Groot
- Tosi
- Holland
- Kirifi
- Ratima
- Barrett
- Lam
I may be a moron, but I don't think the best All Blacks team includes six Hurricanes starting, with a further two on the bench.
With the form he is in, Jordan should and will get first crack at fullback, and I don't think you should see Savea, Lakai and Kirifi all in the same 23. Need another big body (probably Finau).
Yeah I agree I can’t see that team happening
Or deserve those selections
.Says the Blackadder fan.
Says the in love with Love
man who has done fuck all.
And 2 midget Cane LFs is not the way to go one yeah but two nah.I’d have Jordan at fullback but he lacks a proper kicking game which you need at international level. IMO, he’s also a better wing for the ABs.
That leaves either Beaudy or Love at fullback and I would sway towards Love because he’s only going to get better, while Barrett is only going to decline with age.
Jordan has been very good the last few weeks with his kicking game certainly he is getting better at it.
And Jordan will be the FB his form means he deserves the spot.
Love for me just has not done enough to earn a starting spot as yet.
He has talent for sure but for me needs to show more to walk in to a starting spot .Fair call, I’m more worried that we shoe horn Barrett into the mix at 15 if we start DMac at 10. I guess what I’m trying to say with my selections is that we need to start blooding young talent. The Proctor’s, Lam’s and Love’s of the world need to at least start seeing more time so we know what they are made of at the next level.
Nah to BB at fb I don’t want to see that again.
Proctor I would like to see get a crack at 13 something different if might add a fair bit.So what’s your backline then? If you have Jordan at 15, who are your wingers?
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@sparky respect your opinion, but Proctor , just don't see it ,let's see how he goes in next couple months.,
It’s not only my opinion mate. The drums have been beating pretty loudly for Proctor to start for a while now and at some point he’ll be too hard to ignore.
I take it you didn’t watch his performance against the Brumbies on Saturday? Either that or you didn’t have your contacts in because he was all class on both sides of the ball and that’s what the ABs have been missing consistently in a centre for far too long.
Personally I wouldn’t mind if the ABs rolled out this team against the French.
- Williams
- Taylor
- Lomax
- Barrett
- Va’ai
- Sititi
- Lakai
- Savea
- Roigard
- McKenzie
- Ioane (I’d back him over Clarke)
- Barrett
- Proctor
- Jordan
- Love
- Taukei’aho
- De Groot
- Tosi
- Holland
- Kirifi
- Ratima
- Barrett
- Lam
I may be a moron, but I don't think the best All Blacks team includes six Hurricanes starting, with a further two on the bench.
With the form he is in, Jordan should and will get first crack at fullback, and I don't think you should see Savea, Lakai and Kirifi all in the same 23. Need another big body (probably Finau).
Yeah I agree I can’t see that team happening
Or deserve those selections
.Says the Blackadder fan.
Says the in love with Love
man who has done fuck all.
And 2 midget Cane LFs is not the way to go one yeah but two nah.I’d have Jordan at fullback but he lacks a proper kicking game which you need at international level. IMO, he’s also a better wing for the ABs.
That leaves either Beaudy or Love at fullback and I would sway towards Love because he’s only going to get better, while Barrett is only going to decline with age.
Jordan has been very good the last few weeks with his kicking game certainly he is getting better at it.
And Jordan will be the FB his form means he deserves the spot.
Love for me just has not done enough to earn a starting spot as yet.
He has talent for sure but for me needs to show more to walk in to a starting spot .Fair call, I’m more worried that we shoe horn Barrett into the mix at 15 if we start DMac at 10. I guess what I’m trying to say with my selections is that we need to start blooding young talent. The Proctor’s, Lam’s and Love’s of the world need to at least start seeing more time so we know what they are made of at the next level.
Nah to BB at fb I don’t want to see that again.
Proctor I would like to see get a crack at 13 something different if might add a fair bit.So what’s your backline then? If you have Jordan at 15, who are your wingers?
Who is in the running? Tangitau, Reece, Narawa, Clarke & Tele'a? I know some say Fihaki will be in the squad, but I don't see him starting.
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@sparky respect your opinion, but Proctor , just don't see it ,let's see how he goes in next couple months.,
It’s not only my opinion mate. The drums have been beating pretty loudly for Proctor to start for a while now and at some point he’ll be too hard to ignore.
I take it you didn’t watch his performance against the Brumbies on Saturday? Either that or you didn’t have your contacts in because he was all class on both sides of the ball and that’s what the ABs have been missing consistently in a centre for far too long.
Personally I wouldn’t mind if the ABs rolled out this team against the French.
- Williams
- Taylor
- Lomax
- Barrett
- Va’ai
- Sititi
- Lakai
- Savea
- Roigard
- McKenzie
- Ioane (I’d back him over Clarke)
- Barrett
- Proctor
- Jordan
- Love
- Taukei’aho
- De Groot
- Tosi
- Holland
- Kirifi
- Ratima
- Barrett
- Lam
I may be a moron, but I don't think the best All Blacks team includes six Hurricanes starting, with a further two on the bench.
With the form he is in, Jordan should and will get first crack at fullback, and I don't think you should see Savea, Lakai and Kirifi all in the same 23. Need another big body (probably Finau).
Yeah I agree I can’t see that team happening
Or deserve those selections
.Says the Blackadder fan.
Says the in love with Love
man who has done fuck all.
And 2 midget Cane LFs is not the way to go one yeah but two nah.I’d have Jordan at fullback but he lacks a proper kicking game which you need at international level. IMO, he’s also a better wing for the ABs.
That leaves either Beaudy or Love at fullback and I would sway towards Love because he’s only going to get better, while Barrett is only going to decline with age.
Jordan has been very good the last few weeks with his kicking game certainly he is getting better at it.
And Jordan will be the FB his form means he deserves the spot.
Love for me just has not done enough to earn a starting spot as yet.
He has talent for sure but for me needs to show more to walk in to a starting spot .Fair call, I’m more worried that we shoe horn Barrett into the mix at 15 if we start DMac at 10. I guess what I’m trying to say with my selections is that we need to start blooding young talent. The Proctor’s, Lam’s and Love’s of the world need to at least start seeing more time so we know what they are made of at the next level.
Nah to BB at fb I don’t want to see that again.
Proctor I would like to see get a crack at 13 something different if might add a fair bit.So what’s your backline then? If you have Jordan at 15, who are your wingers?
Tangitau adds pace so I would try him probably stick with Clarke
Or Ioane on the wing I don’t mind that. -
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@sparky respect your opinion, but Proctor , just don't see it ,let's see how he goes in next couple months.,
It’s not only my opinion mate. The drums have been beating pretty loudly for Proctor to start for a while now and at some point he’ll be too hard to ignore.
I take it you didn’t watch his performance against the Brumbies on Saturday? Either that or you didn’t have your contacts in because he was all class on both sides of the ball and that’s what the ABs have been missing consistently in a centre for far too long.
Personally I wouldn’t mind if the ABs rolled out this team against the French.
- Williams
- Taylor
- Lomax
- Barrett
- Va’ai
- Sititi
- Lakai
- Savea
- Roigard
- McKenzie
- Ioane (I’d back him over Clarke)
- Barrett
- Proctor
- Jordan
- Love
- Taukei’aho
- De Groot
- Tosi
- Holland
- Kirifi
- Ratima
- Barrett
- Lam
I may be a moron, but I don't think the best All Blacks team includes six Hurricanes starting, with a further two on the bench.
With the form he is in, Jordan should and will get first crack at fullback, and I don't think you should see Savea, Lakai and Kirifi all in the same 23. Need another big body (probably Finau).
Yeah I agree I can’t see that team happening
Or deserve those selections
.Says the Blackadder fan.
Says the in love with Love
man who has done fuck all.
And 2 midget Cane LFs is not the way to go one yeah but two nah.I’d have Jordan at fullback but he lacks a proper kicking game which you need at international level. IMO, he’s also a better wing for the ABs.
That leaves either Beaudy or Love at fullback and I would sway towards Love because he’s only going to get better, while Barrett is only going to decline with age.
Jordan has been very good the last few weeks with his kicking game certainly he is getting better at it.
And Jordan will be the FB his form means he deserves the spot.
Love for me just has not done enough to earn a starting spot as yet.
He has talent for sure but for me needs to show more to walk in to a starting spot .Fair call, I’m more worried that we shoe horn Barrett into the mix at 15 if we start DMac at 10. I guess what I’m trying to say with my selections is that we need to start blooding young talent. The Proctor’s, Lam’s and Love’s of the world need to at least start seeing more time so we know what they are made of at the next level.
Nah to BB at fb I don’t want to see that again.
Proctor I would like to see get a crack at 13 something different if might add a fair bit.So what’s your backline then? If you have Jordan at 15, who are your wingers?
Tangitau adds pace so I would try him probably stick with Clarke
Or Ioane on the wing I don’t mind that.The one thing that worries me wings have to be decent under the high ball for test rugby.
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@sparky respect your opinion, but Proctor , just don't see it ,let's see how he goes in next couple months.,
It’s not only my opinion mate. The drums have been beating pretty loudly for Proctor to start for a while now and at some point he’ll be too hard to ignore.
I take it you didn’t watch his performance against the Brumbies on Saturday? Either that or you didn’t have your contacts in because he was all class on both sides of the ball and that’s what the ABs have been missing consistently in a centre for far too long.
Personally I wouldn’t mind if the ABs rolled out this team against the French.
- Williams
- Taylor
- Lomax
- Barrett
- Va’ai
- Sititi
- Lakai
- Savea
- Roigard
- McKenzie
- Ioane (I’d back him over Clarke)
- Barrett
- Proctor
- Jordan
- Love
- Taukei’aho
- De Groot
- Tosi
- Holland
- Kirifi
- Ratima
- Barrett
- Lam
I may be a moron, but I don't think the best All Blacks team includes six Hurricanes starting, with a further two on the bench.
With the form he is in, Jordan should and will get first crack at fullback, and I don't think you should see Savea, Lakai and Kirifi all in the same 23. Need another big body (probably Finau).
Yeah I agree I can’t see that team happening
Or deserve those selections
.Says the Blackadder fan.
Says the in love with Love
man who has done fuck all.
And 2 midget Cane LFs is not the way to go one yeah but two nah.I’d have Jordan at fullback but he lacks a proper kicking game which you need at international level. IMO, he’s also a better wing for the ABs.
That leaves either Beaudy or Love at fullback and I would sway towards Love because he’s only going to get better, while Barrett is only going to decline with age.
Jordan has been very good the last few weeks with his kicking game certainly he is getting better at it.
And Jordan will be the FB his form means he deserves the spot.
Love for me just has not done enough to earn a starting spot as yet.
He has talent for sure but for me needs to show more to walk in to a starting spot .Fair call, I’m more worried that we shoe horn Barrett into the mix at 15 if we start DMac at 10. I guess what I’m trying to say with my selections is that we need to start blooding young talent. The Proctor’s, Lam’s and Love’s of the world need to at least start seeing more time so we know what they are made of at the next level.
Nah to BB at fb I don’t want to see that again.
Proctor I would like to see get a crack at 13 something different if might add a fair bit.So what’s your backline then? If you have Jordan at 15, who are your wingers?
Tangitau adds pace so I would try him probably stick with Clarke
Or Ioane on the wing I don’t mind that.Good call on Tangitau, really liking what I’m seeing there and you can’t coach pace. Clarke though I’m not sold, I’d prefer to move Ioane back to the left wing.
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@sparky respect your opinion, but Proctor , just don't see it ,let's see how he goes in next couple months.,
It’s not only my opinion mate. The drums have been beating pretty loudly for Proctor to start for a while now and at some point he’ll be too hard to ignore.
I take it you didn’t watch his performance against the Brumbies on Saturday? Either that or you didn’t have your contacts in because he was all class on both sides of the ball and that’s what the ABs have been missing consistently in a centre for far too long.
Personally I wouldn’t mind if the ABs rolled out this team against the French.
- Williams
- Taylor
- Lomax
- Barrett
- Va’ai
- Sititi
- Lakai
- Savea
- Roigard
- McKenzie
- Ioane (I’d back him over Clarke)
- Barrett
- Proctor
- Jordan
- Love
- Taukei’aho
- De Groot
- Tosi
- Holland
- Kirifi
- Ratima
- Barrett
- Lam
I may be a moron, but I don't think the best All Blacks team includes six Hurricanes starting, with a further two on the bench.
With the form he is in, Jordan should and will get first crack at fullback, and I don't think you should see Savea, Lakai and Kirifi all in the same 23. Need another big body (probably Finau).
Yeah I agree I can’t see that team happening
Or deserve those selections
.Says the Blackadder fan.
Says the in love with Love
man who has done fuck all.
And 2 midget Cane LFs is not the way to go one yeah but two nah.I’d have Jordan at fullback but he lacks a proper kicking game which you need at international level. IMO, he’s also a better wing for the ABs.
That leaves either Beaudy or Love at fullback and I would sway towards Love because he’s only going to get better, while Barrett is only going to decline with age.
Jordan has been very good the last few weeks with his kicking game certainly he is getting better at it.
And Jordan will be the FB his form means he deserves the spot.
Love for me just has not done enough to earn a starting spot as yet.
He has talent for sure but for me needs to show more to walk in to a starting spot .Fair call, I’m more worried that we shoe horn Barrett into the mix at 15 if we start DMac at 10. I guess what I’m trying to say with my selections is that we need to start blooding young talent. The Proctor’s, Lam’s and Love’s of the world need to at least start seeing more time so we know what they are made of at the next level.
Nah to BB at fb I don’t want to see that again.
Proctor I would like to see get a crack at 13 something different if might add a fair bit.So what’s your backline then? If you have Jordan at 15, who are your wingers?
Tangitau adds pace so I would try him probably stick with Clarke
Or Ioane on the wing I don’t mind that.Good call on Tangitau, really liking what I’m seeing there and you can’t coach pace. Clarke though I’m not sold, I’d prefer to move Ioane back to the left wing.
I don’t mind that either the high ball will be a factor on who they pick I think.
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@george33 said in All Blacks 2025:
@sparky respect your opinion, but Proctor , just don't see it ,let's see how he goes in next couple months.,
It’s not only my opinion mate. The drums have been beating pretty loudly for Proctor to start for a while now and at some point he’ll be too hard to ignore.
I take it you didn’t watch his performance against the Brumbies on Saturday? Either that or you didn’t have your contacts in because he was all class on both sides of the ball and that’s what the ABs have been missing consistently in a centre for far too long.
Personally I wouldn’t mind if the ABs rolled out this team against the French.
- Williams
- Taylor
- Lomax
- Barrett
- Va’ai
- Sititi
- Lakai
- Savea
- Roigard
- McKenzie
- Ioane (I’d back him over Clarke)
- Barrett
- Proctor
- Jordan
- Love
- Taukei’aho
- De Groot
- Tosi
- Holland
- Kirifi
- Ratima
- Barrett
- Lam
I may be a moron, but I don't think the best All Blacks team includes six Hurricanes starting, with a further two on the bench.
With the form he is in, Jordan should and will get first crack at fullback, and I don't think you should see Savea, Lakai and Kirifi all in the same 23. Need another big body (probably Finau).
Yeah I agree I can’t see that team happening
Or deserve those selections
.Says the Blackadder fan.
Says the in love with Love
man who has done fuck all.
And 2 midget Cane LFs is not the way to go one yeah but two nah.I’d have Jordan at fullback but he lacks a proper kicking game which you need at international level. IMO, he’s also a better wing for the ABs.
That leaves either Beaudy or Love at fullback and I would sway towards Love because he’s only going to get better, while Barrett is only going to decline with age.
Jordan has been very good the last few weeks with his kicking game certainly he is getting better at it.
And Jordan will be the FB his form means he deserves the spot.
Love for me just has not done enough to earn a starting spot as yet.
He has talent for sure but for me needs to show more to walk in to a starting spot .Fair call, I’m more worried that we shoe horn Barrett into the mix at 15 if we start DMac at 10. I guess what I’m trying to say with my selections is that we need to start blooding young talent. The Proctor’s, Lam’s and Love’s of the world need to at least start seeing more time so we know what they are made of at the next level.
Nah to BB at fb I don’t want to see that again.
Proctor I would like to see get a crack at 13 something different if might add a fair bit.So what’s your backline then? If you have Jordan at 15, who are your wingers?
Tangitau adds pace so I would try him probably stick with Clarke
Or Ioane on the wing I don’t mind that.The one thing that worries me wings have to be decent under the high ball for test rugby.
That was kind of my thinking of having Jordan and Love in the back three. But if we have Barrett at 15 that will help big time.
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@sparky respect your opinion, but Proctor , just don't see it ,let's see how he goes in next couple months.,
It’s not only my opinion mate. The drums have been beating pretty loudly for Proctor to start for a while now and at some point he’ll be too hard to ignore.
I take it you didn’t watch his performance against the Brumbies on Saturday? Either that or you didn’t have your contacts in because he was all class on both sides of the ball and that’s what the ABs have been missing consistently in a centre for far too long.
Personally I wouldn’t mind if the ABs rolled out this team against the French.
- Williams
- Taylor
- Lomax
- Barrett
- Va’ai
- Sititi
- Lakai
- Savea
- Roigard
- McKenzie
- Ioane (I’d back him over Clarke)
- Barrett
- Proctor
- Jordan
- Love
- Taukei’aho
- De Groot
- Tosi
- Holland
- Kirifi
- Ratima
- Barrett
- Lam
I may be a moron, but I don't think the best All Blacks team includes six Hurricanes starting, with a further two on the bench.
With the form he is in, Jordan should and will get first crack at fullback, and I don't think you should see Savea, Lakai and Kirifi all in the same 23. Need another big body (probably Finau).
I didn’t say it was the team Razor would pick, it’s the team I would pick. I reckon that loose trio would be bloody hard to stop. Forget Finau, what’s he actually done apart from putting a few big shots on a couple of tiny number 10s?
I know that is your team, but I personally don't think it is a coincidence Moana have been so good, with Ardie looking like a million bucks with a proper blindisde and a proper eight next to him. Ardie excels in the wide channels, and is the best openside we have. Peter Lakai is a fucken awesome player, so I'd probably stick him on the bench, because i think he has 100 test AB written all over him.
I am also not overly convinced by Finau, so potentially if we are looking for an eight to do the dirty work with Sititi roaming at six, I couple be intrigued to see CLW rewarded with the spot at eight.
I can't really spot the logic of saying Ardie is going great guns with a big 6/8 alongside him and then offering up CLW and Sititi as those guys.
Kind of agree, but also Miracle Fai'ilagi isn't eligible for the All Blacks, and IMO he'd stroll into the six jersey. Tupou Ta'eiloa isn't huge height wise, but the key is he plays like a proper number eight, as does Christian Lio-Willie. I'm not yet 100% sold on Sititi at eight, because he plays much looser than a traditional eight.
Either way, both those guys play a lot "bigger" than CLW (another hard worker who just seems to lack oomph).
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@sparky respect your opinion, but Proctor , just don't see it ,let's see how he goes in next couple months.,
It’s not only my opinion mate. The drums have been beating pretty loudly for Proctor to start for a while now and at some point he’ll be too hard to ignore.
I take it you didn’t watch his performance against the Brumbies on Saturday? Either that or you didn’t have your contacts in because he was all class on both sides of the ball and that’s what the ABs have been missing consistently in a centre for far too long.
Personally I wouldn’t mind if the ABs rolled out this team against the French.
- Williams
- Taylor
- Lomax
- Barrett
- Va’ai
- Sititi
- Lakai
- Savea
- Roigard
- McKenzie
- Ioane (I’d back him over Clarke)
- Barrett
- Proctor
- Jordan
- Love
- Taukei’aho
- De Groot
- Tosi
- Holland
- Kirifi
- Ratima
- Barrett
- Lam
I may be a moron, but I don't think the best All Blacks team includes six Hurricanes starting, with a further two on the bench.
With the form he is in, Jordan should and will get first crack at fullback, and I don't think you should see Savea, Lakai and Kirifi all in the same 23. Need another big body (probably Finau).
I didn’t say it was the team Razor would pick, it’s the team I would pick. I reckon that loose trio would be bloody hard to stop. Forget Finau, what’s he actually done apart from putting a few big shots on a couple of tiny number 10s?
I know that is your team, but I personally don't think it is a coincidence Moana have been so good, with Ardie looking like a million bucks with a proper blindisde and a proper eight next to him. Ardie excels in the wide channels, and is the best openside we have. Peter Lakai is a fucken awesome player, so I'd probably stick him on the bench, because i think he has 100 test AB written all over him.
I am also not overly convinced by Finau, so potentially if we are looking for an eight to do the dirty work with Sititi roaming at six, I couple be intrigued to see CLW rewarded with the spot at eight.
I can't really spot the logic of saying Ardie is going great guns with a big 6/8 alongside him and then offering up CLW and Sititi as those guys.
Kind of agree, but also Miracle Fai'ilagi isn't eligible for the All Blacks, and IMO he'd stroll into the six jersey. Tupou Ta'eiloa isn't huge height wise, but the key is he plays like a proper number eight, as does Christian Lio-Willie. I'm not yet 100% sold on Sititi at eight, because he plays much looser than a traditional eight.
Either way, both those guys play a lot "bigger" than CLW (another hard worker who just seems to lack oomph).
I think CLW's form over a few years probably warrants a call-up. I have no idea how impactful he'd be at test level, but I'm not sure the starting ABs pack is likely to lack ball carriers (all the locks they used last year were certainly ball-players rather than a workhorse like a Whitelock), and there will be no shortage of X-Factor runners with Sititi and Savea. We might legitimately just need a guy who plays like a proper number eight, who lets Ardie be the best version of Ardie.
