Artificial Intelligence (Previously "Chat GPT")
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@Nepia said in Artificial Intelligence (Previously "Chat GPT"):
8 out of 11 AI written responses
You are no doubt correct. However, dumb people (ie non Ferners) seem to put trust in 'AI detection software'. It appears to be as random as a TMO with a head clash.
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Isn’t school supposed to be preparing you for a career? These tools are going to be used everywhere, education needs to reform completely.
I had three AI bots working as a team this afternoon, one searching for a root cause of an issue so I could resolve it.
Another reviewing pull requests from the team, and another speeding me along writing code.
They are increasingly becoming autonomous and if used properly, undetectable. The kids will work out how to bypass any checks, and like with most cheating you’ll just catch the dummies.
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My main use of AI at work is transcribing Teams meetings, chucking the transcription into Co-Pilot, and getting it to write the minutes and actions from the meeting. Even though the transcription doesn't record what was said all that well, Co-Pilot seems to do a great job of deciphering it into something that I only need to make small tweaks to. It can also explain some of the technical stuff talked about in the meeting as it can look up what the technology is and what is does etc. Very handy and has saved me a lot of time already. In 5 years time the corporate world is going to be a completely different place.
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@No-Quarter get teams premium to save you the hassle.
The summary and action items it derives from them is reasonably good, but the problem I've experienced is the transcription itself isn't great.
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@Kirwan said in Artificial Intelligence (Previously "Chat GPT"):
Isn’t school supposed to be preparing you for a career? These tools are going to be used everywhere, education needs to reform completely.
I had three AI bots working as a team this afternoon, one searching for a root cause of an issue so I could resolve it.
Another reviewing pull requests from the team, and another speeding me along writing code.
They are increasingly becoming autonomous and if used properly, undetectable. The kids will work out how to bypass any checks, and like with most cheating you’ll just catch the dummies.
Did you see this is my post:
(e.g. what we they allow, what they don't allow, development of assessments utilising AI).
However, that doesn't mean that academic integrity should be thrown out the window.
As @antipodean notes it's a value add, AI is a tool, you clearly use it as a tool, it doesn't mean we need to "reform the education system completely".
Also, AI is actually pretty easy to spot in assessment without "checks" - if the marker is actually looking for it.
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I mean the 1950 style teacher classroom model should be completely reformed.
1:1 AI Tutors shepherded by far less teachers.
This model is being tried in Texas and they already are having great results.
And, no, AI is not easy to spot. Lazily used AI is. I could set up a model for a kid that would be indistinguishable from any of their other work in a few weeks.
But it would take them minutes to generate the work.
The way people are assessed needs to change.
The top models are ticking off exams pretty easily now.
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@Kirwan said in Artificial Intelligence (Previously "Chat GPT"):
@gt12 said in Artificial Intelligence (Previously "Chat GPT"):
@antipodean said in Artificial Intelligence (Previously "Chat GPT"):
And in another criticism - I got chatgpt to review a report I uploaded. I asked it questions and had to continually prompt it and fact check. When told to restrict its answers to the report, it made shit up and offered the excuse it must have got the answers it provided from other sources.
I wonder how many people are taking what these models are saying at face value.
Huge, huge, issue for us in education.
AI slop is everywhere.You guys need to transition to AI Tutors ASAP. I won’t hold my breath
AI tutors work well for students with motivation, some (AI) literacy, and capability to question answers and seek truth.
We have issues with all three of the above, especially the last one.
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@antipodean said in Artificial Intelligence (Previously "Chat GPT"):
And in another criticism - I got chatgpt to review a report I uploaded. I asked it questions and had to continually prompt it and fact check. When told to restrict its answers to the report, it made shit up and offered the excuse it must have got the answers it provided from other sources.
I wonder how many people are taking what these models are saying at face value.
I spent probably 30-45 minutes yesterday trying to get copilot to summarise some SQL and write a bit of a guide for how to do similar, as well as format it all nicely. Every iteration it would change font/formatting or lose the summary or lose headers/SQL line notes so I had to prompt it twice as much as I should have. Fucking so frustrating and should have just written it myself.
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@Kirwan said in Artificial Intelligence (Previously "Chat GPT"):
I mean the 1950 style teacher classroom model should be completely reformed.
1:1 AI Tutors shepherded by far less teachers.
This model is being tried in Texas and they already are having great results.
And, no, AI is not easy to spot. Lazily used AI is. I could set up a model for a kid that would be indistinguishable from any of their other work in a few weeks.
But it would take them minutes to generate the work.
The way people are assessed needs to change.
The top models are ticking off exams pretty easily now.
The 1950s classroom style hasn't existed for a while (well not in the majority of places I've worked). In fact, AI is probably contributing to a return to 1950s styles with the increased use of in class paper based tests/exams.
And yes, AI is fairly easy to spot in the education areas I work in. You may be able to set up a model for a kid but most kids don't have that knowledge, or the wherewithal to learn. They're too lazy to do the work required in what they're studying, the majority aren't going to learn AI. If the work is indistinguishable from their previous work in weeks then it's only going to be as good as their previous work. If it's markedly better then it's going to get looked at, or they're going to come unstuck doing in class work/tests/exams.
I get that AI might be more prevalent in your line of work, but there's a myriad of other areas out there where it isn't so prevalent. For example, a nursing student who relies on AI in the non practical side of their studies is going to be shown up in the practical side.
I'm not anti AI use, I use it myself (and as I noted above write policy for its use), but like I said it's a tool. It can be a good tool for learning, and it can be a bad tool if used deceitfully or improperly.
I've had a search for AI Tutors in Texas and all I can find is an expensive fee paying charter school (maybe you can provide more info about it's use in tertiary education), I'd like to see more evaluation of the efficacy than this one school.
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@Kirwan AI will have the same disruptive impact on human's cognitive abilities as is now being seen by the evidence of 15 years of social media use. You can mitigate this by promoting greater critical thinking skills, but many teachers don't know what that is anymore.
This isn't a surprise considering the true objective of AI (if you actually listen to the technocrats in Silicon Valley) is to replace human thinking. It is currently being sold as augmentation, but the Greeks built the Trojans a wooden horse and pretended it was a parting gift
I say all the above as someone who is the doing the Devil's work and working very closely with AI and Agentic AI. The genie is out of the bottle and it ain't going back in. See it for what it is and plan accordingly. UBI beckons.
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I have a more optimistic view than that. The amount of productivity about to be unleashed is hard to comprehend.
Add in a limitless workforce on the horizon with robotics shits about to get weird.
Truely think we about to enter an age of abundance. But the people aren’t ready for the disruption we are about to experience as we transition.
@Bones look at MCP for Context7, might help with syntax with the right docs in context.
And for that sort of work, you should have custom instructions to guide it so when you do ask it you don’t have to argue with it.
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@Kirwan yeah we've got an internal gpt that's typically better, but can't produce docx - I'm sure I can probably get a bot sorted if it's gonna be a regular thing, was just annoying when I'd prompt it to add something and it would change two other things and drop a third.
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@Bones said in Artificial Intelligence (Previously "Chat GPT"):
@Kirwan yeah we've got an internal gpt that's typically better, but can't produce docx - I'm sure I can probably get a bot sorted if it's gonna be a regular thing, was just annoying when I'd prompt it to add something and it would change two other things and drop a third.
Yeah ok, I've been playing with Task MCP servers for that. There's one called TaskMaster and another called Shrimp-Tasks. These help it plan, save the steps into a file and keep it's head straight about what it's doing. Funny to watch it argue with it self with thinking enabled.
