Weighted dips or close grip bench press ?

MN5

Any of youse fullas like doing these ? I've read Dips are better but I find sometimes the shoulders ache the day after ( not always a good ache ) 
 
Obviously with CGBP ya have to lower the weight a fair bit from what you regularly bench. 
 
Just interested in others feedback on these as I look to smash my tris and other cliches....

BartMan

I like dips, but if you have dodgy rotator cuffs they are not the best!!

Wairau

I do dips-3 sets of 15+ at the moment, but only once a week or so as they hurt my dodgy left shoulder , which is a pain since they really are a great exercise.

Quo vadis

dips, but they do give me golfers elbow (inside elbow tendon pain) if I do too many. Close grip bench just doesn't feel that comfortable or natural for me. 
Best place for me to do dips is my gate - using the gate posts - they are perfectly positioned with comfortable weight bearing surface for my hand. 
Being able to change the hand position makes a big difference for comfort.

BartMan

yeah, I hate close grip bench. Dips are king for me (now shoulder is good). And just gooo sloooooow is just as effective as weighted I reckon.

ACT Crusader

[quote name='BartMan']yeah, I hate close grip bench. Dips are king for me (now shoulder is good). And just gooo sloooooow is just as effective as weighted I reckon.[/QUOTE] 
 
Slow as while tilted forward will give the chest that stretch and pump to things twitching 
 
Unfortunately I have a dodgy left rotator so no dips for me. I do a bit of cgbp and cg pushups

Paekakboyz

What about skullcrushers aka french press [URL]

They are pretty good - you can also do a standing variation using a heavy barbell. Nice alternative to the CGBP imo 
 
I like both Dips and CGBP but I don't have any elbow/rotator cuff problems to contend with. While I do them occassionally I always die when I do pushups with elbows tucking in close to the body - it burns ACT!!! it burns!! lol

BartMan

skull crushers - we do lots of them at the moment in our programme, hate them, but they're effective I reckon - get a good pump anyway!

MN5

Skulls are good paekak, you're dead right and obviously you lift fuck all compared to what you bench. I find that you crap out without warning on those, when you think you have a rep or two left you get stuck. 
 
Did some CGBP at my mates gym place in town while waiting for him to serve someone, upstairs and out of sight so I didn't get any funny looks cos I was in jeans and a shirt. 
 
In any case shoulders are killing me today, not killing me softly either.....

Duluth

If you don't lock out your elbows on skulls and keep you arms just off the perpendicular the tension stays on the muscles constantly. It means less weight for the same amount of stress on the muscles.. this can save the elbows a bit too

Paekakboyz

Good call Duluth, they are one of those exercises where form is going to give you the burn - too much weight and you just get sloppy - or a smack in the head when you drop the bar!

MN5

[quote name='Paekakboyz']Good call Duluth, they are one of those exercises where form is going to give you the burn - [B]too much weight and you just get sloppy[/B] - or a smack in the head when you drop the bar![/QUOTE] 
 
I think they're good cos you basically can't "cheat" with them. I find too much weight and the bar doesn't move, Momentum doesn't help like it does in other lifts.

Quo vadis

Fitness Guru Keith Norris at [url]http://theorytopractice.wordpress.com/[/url] doing some interesting tri-cep work using ARX - Adaptive Resistance training. Looks like a real tricep killer. 
 
[video=youtube;X-N3BnRGVVM]

BartMan

super pump in the triceps today - super set old fashioned tricep pushdowns with skull crushers (3 sets) , and then three sets of single arm rope pushdowns with your arm going across the front of your body, standing side on to the cable machine. Arms felt the size of legs, but still looked like spaghetti!

The Silver Fern

Weighted dips or close grip bench press ?