Revenue Sharing
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@kruse said in Revenue Sharing:
It seems:
Brits of all flavours follow the English "we're the centre of the world" naming standard of "Autumn Internationals", or "Autumn Series" to be just that little bit different
Australians, being the contrary idiots they are, decided to call it a "Spring Tour"
South Africans, still stoked to be allowed outside, call it the "Outgoing Tour"
New Zealanders, being inherently sensible, use End-of-Year-Tour for us, or for more general use: End-of-Year-Tests/Internationals - the only term which would/should make sense to everybody
(Except officially - where apparently the All Blacks call it the Vista Northern Tour - having apparently sold worthless naming rights?)Hang on, hang on, hang on.
Wait a second.
Stop the world.
Let me get this straight.
Did You Just Call Me A Brit?????
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@pot-hale Welcome to the club of perceived ultimate privilege. It’s all downhill for you now mate.
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@pot-hale Yeah, hadn't thought of "free Ireland" when I described all-ya-all's as "Brits of all flavours", but fuck it - gotta go with it now I guess.
You're all tarred with the same brush when it comes to the ruggaz, or at least this particular subject. British Isles. Home Nations. Some other trolling nonsense.
BTW - does anybody know how the frogs or eye-ties term these "Southern Hemisphere teams winding down with a bit of a holiday" games? -
@catogrande said in Revenue Sharing:
@kruse Ha! Made me chuckle.
Yeah,
"We call Australia - "Australia"".
Still one of the funniest things I've ever heard. Poor fluffybunny was genuinely confused, and I was struggling to keep it together as an entire room of ex-pats stared at him flabber-gasted. This was in the staff-room of an english-teaching school. This guy was a "teacher".
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@kruse said in Revenue Sharing:
@pot-hale Yeah, hadn't thought of "free Ireland" when I described all-ya-all's as "Brits of all flavours", but fuck it - gotta go with it now I guess.
You're all tarred with the same brush when it comes to the ruggaz, or at least this particular subject. British Isles. Home Nations. Some other trolling nonsense.
BTW - does anybody know how the frogs or eye-ties term these "Southern Hemisphere teams winding down with a bit of a holiday" games?L’equipe.fr: “En fait d'union sacrée, Guy Novès et Bernard Laporte continuent de s'envoyer des piques et le président a même relancé lundi le concept de trois victoires sur quatre lors de la tournée d'automne.
Yep - it’s the Autumn season in France too.
And in the USA - https://www.usarugby.org/mens-eagles-schedule/
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@pot-hale said in Revenue Sharing:
@kruse said in Revenue Sharing:
@pot-hale Yeah, hadn't thought of "free Ireland" when I described all-ya-all's as "Brits of all flavours", but fuck it - gotta go with it now I guess.
You're all tarred with the same brush when it comes to the ruggaz, or at least this particular subject. British Isles. Home Nations. Some other trolling nonsense.
BTW - does anybody know how the frogs or eye-ties term these "Southern Hemisphere teams winding down with a bit of a holiday" games?L’equipe.fr: “En fait d'union sacrée, Guy Novès et Bernard Laporte continuent de s'envoyer des piques et le président a même relancé lundi le concept de trois victoires sur quatre lors de la tournée d'automne.
Yep - it’s the Autumn season in France too.
And in the USA - https://www.usarugby.org/mens-eagles-schedule/
Chur. Must have been corrupted by you island-monkeys.
But should probably add "tournee d'automne" to any future scientific tests re: google result quantity -
On the actual subject. I do think Pot Hale is correct that it is the RFU and Twickenham that is the outlier.
Therefore I don't see much incentive for the other 6N unions to ever vote for something like this.
I assume that, while they don't share ticket revenues, the Celtic nations punch above their weight in shared TV deals on the 6N etc due to inclusion of large markets England & France.
As for Twickenham being the outlier. Have you guys ever looked at the RFU's annual financial reports? I looked st one the other day - the RFU earn more from hospitality than tickets. Was something like 28m to 26m quid IIRC from report I looked at. There's a certain advantage to having a huge population of rich & idle .... on top of an already large population.
I wonder if with the 'global caledar' restructuring agreed to last year we may have seen Tew and co get what they wanted, this was a bargaining position - and this may drop from prominence. Because I see it as being a lot of wasted political capital to carry on flogging the horse.
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On the actual subject of revenue sharing with tier 2 countries.
Samoa average about 2 home games a season, sometimes 1, sometimes 3 to 'earn' ticketing revenue. (And sell TV rights as the host union). These are the June window tests. They're not always playing a home test in that window if it involves home & away Pacific Nations Cup.
As a comparison:
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NZ play 6 home games, plus host a 3rd Bled every second year, plus an out-of-window revenue sharing test about every second year. (NZ play 6 away tests each year, plus 3rd Bled every second year)
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England average 6 home tests, Sometimes including a revenue share every second year, plus the odd BaaBaas. (England -average 6 away tests to reciprocate their home tests)
So the real imbalance between tier 1 and 2, there isn't reciprocation. Let alone getting into the size of respective rugby economies.
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Frankly the RFU seems to have very little desire to grow the game globally.
Since England toured North America in 2001 (Presumably during the Lions tour that year) they have not played a single game outside the 6 Nations countries or the Rugby Championship Countries.
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@rugger-quizzes said in Revenue Sharing:
Frankly the RFU seems to have very little desire to grow the game globally.
Since England toured North America in 2001 (Presumably during the Lions tour that year) they have not played a single game outside the 6 Nations countries or the Rugby Championship Countries.
Which is pretty shameful. In that time NZ have played Samoa in Apia once and other than that, zip. Unless of course you want to count playing Ireland in Chicago as growing the game? Aus have (bizarrely) played away in Spain and that's it. So whilst England's record is pretty damn poor, it's no outlier.
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The Hutt is an absolute Mecca. @Catogrande
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@bones Over here, Mecca is a bingo hall. So that sort of fits with my impression.
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@catogrande said in Revenue Sharing:
@rugger-quizzes said in Revenue Sharing:
Frankly the RFU seems to have very little desire to grow the game globally.
Since England toured North America in 2001 (Presumably during the Lions tour that year) they have not played a single game outside the 6 Nations countries or the Rugby Championship Countries.
Which is pretty shameful. In that time NZ have played Samoa in Apia once and other than that, zip. Unless of course you want to count playing Ireland in Chicago as growing the game? Aus have (bizarrely) played away in Spain and that's it. So whilst England's record is pretty damn poor, it's no outlier.
NZ have also played USA in Chicago & Japan in Tokyo in that time (Aus also played USA in Chicago) in that time. Aus are playing Japan next week. NZ playing Japan next year. All of these though outside IRB windows and for a (revenue sharing) price.
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@catogrande A very, very popular bingo hall.
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@rapido I got the info from Wiki so wouldn't be totally surprised if not accurate. Went back a double checked and see I did miss the Japan game, still couldn't see the US game. Nonetheless, happy to take your word for it. Point still stands though, 3 games in 17 years is not much better than 1 game in 17 years.
Worth noting also that since 2006 the England Saxons have played away in Canada, Russia, USA, Belgium and Portugal.
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The latest IRB schedules (I think it's a 4 year cycle), agreed recently after the global season / revenue sharing stoush.
It sees way more tier 1 v tier 2 games.
I think it is mostly 6N teams that will play those T1 v T2 games. As there are 6 of them and only 4 Sanzar unions. Plus the Lions year.Will be able to crow about 'your' zeal to play in far flung corners of the tier 2 globe.
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@rapido If you listen carefully you can hear my crowing right now. Or maybe not. Have you got a link to that info at all?
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