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    ARHS
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    @stargazer

    More to the point is that WR are now funding Samoa for the quadrangular in Suva. So, they should now be better financially resourced to prepare and field a better team for the RWC qualifier events.

    If they were still to play Romania or Spain that could have been an issue. But, they should account for Portugal or Germany ok.

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    On the news tonight Seilala Mapusua has the same concern I have about NH clubs not releasing Samoan players for the playoffs, particularly the second game as it falls outside the June international window.

    Regulation 9 doesn't mean a lot if the players are concerned the clubs will withhold salary payments as they have done at previous RWCs. In the end the player just makes themselves unavailable for selection.

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    Independent Appeal Committee decision regarding Romania and Spain

    Following appeals lodged by Romania and Spain, an Independent Appeal Committee has upheld the decision of the Independent Disputes Committee relating to breaches of player eligibility during the European regional Rugby World Cup 2019 qualification process.
    
    Following appeals lodged by Romania and Spain, an Independent Appeal Committee has upheld the decision of the Independent Disputes Committee relating to breaches of player eligibility during the European regional Rugby World Cup 2019 qualification process. 
    
    On 15 May, an Independent Disputes Committee found that Belgium, Romania and Spain had breached World Rugby Regulation 8 by fielding players who were either ineligible to represent them or previously captured by another union. The Independent Disputes Committee issued competition points penalties as well as suspended fines. Romania and Spain subsequently lodged appeals. 
    
    An Independent Appeal Committee, comprising World Rugby’s independent Judicial Panel Chairman Christopher Quinlan QC (chair), former USA international and World Rugby Hall of Fame inductee Phaidra Knight and chair of the EPCR Independent Disciplinary Panel Mike Hamlin, was convened to examine the following grounds for appeal submitted by the unions:
    
    * Romania’s appeal of the points sanction handed down by the Independent Disputes Committee, which it argued was manifestly excessive
    * Spain’s appeal of the decision of the Independent Disputes Committee, which (i) decided that the match between Belgium versus Spain should not be replayed; and (ii) found that two ineligible players were fielded during the European regional Rugby World Cup 2019 qualification process and (iii) Spain also argued that the sanction was excessive
    
    In accordance with the scope of the appeals process, Romania and Spain needed to prove a) the decision of the Independent Disputes Committee was in error; b) in the interests of justice that the decision should be overturned and/or c) that the sanction imposed was manifestly excessive or wrong in principle. 
    
    In applying that test, following a full review of the evidence, including statements, submissions and new material placed before it from Romania, Spain and World Rugby, the Independent Appeal Committee found:
    
    * The Independent Disputes Committee followed the correct approach in imposing a points deduction that was consistent with decisions of numerous panels in different tournaments and leagues within the game, including previous Rugby World Cup qualifiers
    * Romania’s appeal was dismissed on each ground: In regard to the circumstances of the breaches, the Independent Appeal Committee found there was no reason to move away from the long-established and consistent principle (including in 2003 and 2019 RWC qualifiers) of imposing a points deduction. The total imposed, given the facts, was not manifestly excessive
    * Spain’s appeal was dismissed on each ground: The Independent Appeal Committee upheld the Independent Disputes Committee’s finding that the two players were previously captured by France and therefore and ineligible for Spain. The Committee therefore determined that the sanction imposed was consistent with established practice. Following consideration, the replaying of the Belgium versus Spain versus match would have proved academic in light of the points deduction.
    

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    World Rugby statement in response to the Independent Appeal Committee decision

    World Rugby welcomes the conclusion of the independent disciplinary process relating to the European qualification process for Rugby World Cup 2019 and is determined to avoid a repeat of these unfortunate circumstances in the future.
    
    Confirmation that the decision of the Independent Disputes Committee stands following a detailed review by an Independent Appeal Committee, means that Russia are confirmed as Europe 1 and will take their place in Pool A at Rugby World Cup 2019, while Germany will host Portugal on 16 June with the winner progressing to face Samoa in Apia on 30 June and in Europe on 14 July. 
    
    While the independent Committee, comprising significant playing and legal experience determined that mistakes were made by Belgium, Romania and Spain, World Rugby is committed to ensuring that key learnings are actioned in partnership with unions and regional associations to enhance Regulation 8 (national team eligibility) understanding and compliance by all: 
    
    * World Rugby to undertake a full review of eligibility processes operational within the game with the objective of ensuring universal best-practice and compliance
    * World Rugby will partner with unions and International Rugby Players to ensure that all young international players are educated regarding Regulation 8
    * While eligibility compliance is the responsibility of the player and union, World Rugby will explore the viability of a universal eligibility database of players who have been ‘captured’ by an international team, supplementing significant support already given to unions by World Rugby in assisting with eligibility enquiries
    * World Rugby will oversee match official appointments at all stages of future Rugby World Cup qualifiers, not just the matches that it runs
    * World Rugby is undertaking a full review of Rugby Europe tournament delivery in the context of Rugby World Cup qualification in partnership with the regional association
    
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    Seems very harsh on Romania. They were naive in believing Tongan Officials and the player, but Tonga should have been well aware of the situation, with Nafi Tuitavake, Cooper Vuna etc being used to their benefit, with sevens loopholes exploited by them.

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    @bovidae wouldn't whoever they face also be in the same situation?

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    Germany has beaten Portugal 16 - 13 overnight. That means that Germany will play a home-and-away play-off with Samoa for a spot in pool A.

    The first game will be on 30 June in Apia.
    The second game will be played on 14 July in Germany.

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    @stargazer said in RWC Draw:

    Germany has beaten Portugal 16 - 13 overnight. That means that Germany will play a home-and-away play-off with Samoa for a spot in pool A.

    The first game will be on 30 June in Apia.
    The second game will be played on 14 July in Germany.

    Battle between the former colonisers and colony!

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    How's this for a show of confidence?

    P.M. to Manu Samoa: “You have no guts”

    Must be getting worried about the possibility of them not qualifying and thus missing out on an occasional complementary, be it playing jersey or match tickets, from the team allocation. Goodness they could also miss out on their annual funding grant from the IRB if they are not careful, and that would be a major dampner for those that benefit from that.

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    Haha no politically correct media speak there!

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    Line-ups for tomorrow's first RWC qualifier between Samoa and Germany:

    Samoa:

    1 Logovii Mulipola, 2 Motu Matu'u, 3 Paul Alo-Emile, 4 Josh Tyrell, 5 Chris Vui (C), 6 Piula Fa'aselele, 7 Jack Lam, 8 Ofisa Treviranus, 9 Melani Matavao, 10 Tusi Pisi, 11 Sinoti Sinoti, 12 Alapati Leiua, 13 Paul Perez, 14 Ed Fidow, 15 Ah See Tuala.

    Reserves: 16 Seilala Lam, 17 Jordan Lay, 18 Viliamu Afatia, 19 Joe Tekori, 20 TJ Ioane, 21 Dwayne Polataivao, 22 Patrick Fa'apale, 23 Alofa Alofa.

    Unavailable due to injury: Rey Lee-Lo

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    Germany:

    1 Julius Nostadt (C), 2 Michail Tyumenev, 3 Samy Fuchsel, 4 Timo Vollenkemper, 5 Eric Marks, 6 Marcel Henn, 7 Jaco Otto, 8 Sebastian Ferreira, 9 Sean Armstrong, 10 Christopher Hilsenbeck, 11 Nikolai Klewinghaus, 12 Raynor Parkinson, 13 Steffen Liebig, 14 Marcel Coetzee, 15 Maxime Oltmann.

    Reserves: 16 Mark Fairhurst, 17 Jarrid Els, 18 Jorn Schroder, 19 Antony Dickinson, 20 Falk Duwe, 21 Tim Menzel, 22 Pierre Mathurin, 23 Pascal Fischer.

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    Kick-off is at 2.10pm NZ time (3.10pm local)

    NZ: Sky Sport 1 from 2.00pm
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    Germany Rugby's Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/DRVRugby/

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    There's a lot of kiwis in that Samoa team, go Samoa! I think they should smash the Germans, channel their inner Korean

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    In the event the master race beats Samoa, I can already picture Eliota Fuimaono-Sapolu's racist tweet.

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    Cook Islands also play Hong Kong today. Winner (over 2 legs) goes through to the repechage tournament.

    The Cooks have fortified their team with NZ and Aus based players. Sam Anderson-Heather and Shahn Eru in CI team.

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    Samoa looking comfortable with a 66-15 victory over Germany on their home leg!

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    Is that the full strength Samoa team; i.e. did the IRB require that all their players be made available to them?

    Anyone in that team from an NZ Super team?

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    @chris-b

    Would not appear to be. No Fotuali'i, Lemi, Fonotia, Lee-Lo (injured), Nanai-Williams (injured), Brighouse, Taulagi, Johnson, G Pisi, K Pisi, Nikoro, Levave, Leuila, Lemalu, Leiataua. But probably not too much difference between these guys and the ones who played, so maybe a lot of these available, but just not picked - and some key guys injured.

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    World Rugby have announced that France will host the repechage tournament for Rugby World Cup 2019. The venue will be the Stade Delort in Marseille.

    The tournament will take place in November 2018. The format is a four-team round-robin across three match days: Sunday 11 November, Saturday 17 November and Friday 23 November, 2018

    Competing nations:
    Canada (loser of the Americas 2 play-offs)
    Hong Kong (winner of the Asia-Oceania play-offs)
    The loser of the Germany v Samoa play-offs (most likely Germany)
    The runners-up of the Rugby Africa Gold Cup (currently Kenya is second on the table behind Namibia, with two games to play, of which Namibia v Kenya on the 18th of August might be decisive).

    The winner of the repechage will join NZ, SA, Italy and Africa 1 in pool B.

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    @stargazer said in RWC Draw:

    World Rugby have announced that France will host the repechage tournament for Rugby World Cup 2019. The venue will be the Stade Delort in Marseille.

    The tournament will take place in November 2018. The format is a four-team round-robin across three match days: Sunday 11 November, Saturday 17 November and Friday 23 November, 2018

    Competing nations:
    Canada (loser of the Americas 2 play-offs)
    Hong Kong (winner of the Asia-Oceania play-offs)
    The loser of the Germany v Samoa play-offs (most likely Germany)
    The runners-up of the Rugby Africa Gold Cup (currently Kenya is second on the table behind Namibia, with two games to play, of which Namibia v Kenya on the 18th of August might be decisive).

    The winner of the repechage will join NZ, SA, Italy and Africa 1 in pool B...

    ...should we be worried?

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    About having shit opposition again, yes

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    The return match between Germany and Samoa will be played tonight (Sun 15 July, k/o 2.00am). The game will be livestreamed on World Rugby's YouTube.

    Germany:
    1 Julius Nostadt, 2 Mark Fairhurst, 3 Samy Füchsel, 4 Eric Marks, 5 Timo Vollenkemper, 6 Sebastian Ferreira, 7 Jaco Otto, 8 Jarrid Els, 9 Sean Armstrong, 10 Hagen Schulte, 11 Marcel Coetzee, 12 Raynor Parkinson, 13 Mathieu Ducau, 14 Rafael Pyrasch, 15 Christopher Hilsenbeck

    Reserves:
    16 Mika Tyumenev, 17 Luke Dyckhoff, 18 Jörn Schröder, 19 Mathias Schösser, 20 Marcel Henn, 21 Tim Menzel, 22 Nikolai Klewinghaus, 23 Florian Wehrspann

    Samoa
    1 Logovii Mulipola, 2. Motu Matu'u, 3. Paul Alo-Emile, 4. Joe Tekori, 5. Brandon Nansen, 6. Tupa'i Chris Vui (c), 7. Jack Lam, 8. Ofisa Treviranus, 9. Melani Matavao, 10. Patrick Fa'apale, 11. Sinoti Sinoti, 12. Lemalu Tusi Pisi, 13. Paul Perez, 14. Ed Fidow, 15. Ah See Tuala

    Reserves:
    16 Seilala Lam, 17. Jordan Lay, 18. Viliamu Afatia, 19. Mat Luamanu, 20. TJ Ioane, 21. Ionatana Tino, 22. Rodney Iona, 23. Alofa Alofa

    Injured Player(s): Rey Lee-Lo, Josh Tyrell, Piula Fa’asalele

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