FatBusting : BartMan log.
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Friday, the SnapperSlayer interval trainng thing, that still hurts, bug kept on the times set better this time.<br />
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Covered 5524 in the 20 minutes. Heart hit a high of 167 on this new flash heart rate thing I got of trademe. Now just need to learn how to set it t keep track of a workout, will do highs and lows, average and all that shit. So won't need to get one off you now thanks Snapper. -
[quote name='BartMan']<br />
Friday, the SnapperSlayer interval trainng thing, that still hurts, bug kept on the times set better this time.<br />
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Covered 5524 in the 20 minutes. Heart hit a high of 167 on this new flash heart rate thing I got of trademe. Now just need to learn how to set it t keep track of a workout, will do highs and lows, average and all that shit.  So won't need to get one off you now thanks Snapper.<br />
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I was told by my trainer for maximum fat burn to keep my heart rate up over 163 for my entore workout (approx 60 minutes) But by fuck is it hard. Half the reason I collapsed I guess. Felt great after though -
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fark!<br />
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Wil keep that in mind. Was dropping down to 150s on the 'rest' phases.<br />
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Will do a half hour row hard out and see what I can get the old ticker up to...  Hope I don't end upÂ
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I think it depends on how old you are though fossil <img src='http://www.daimenhutchison.com/invision/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' /><br />
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I'm 31 -
old, OLD, yeah, 1971 was a good year....<br />
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ANyway, heart rate up to 169 at the end of 30 minute row after work today. 8328m Which was a new PB, by 3 metres!! Next target 8341 m, which will jump me to 7th on the concept 2 rankings of nerd rowers (30-39 bracket).<br />
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This heart monitor rocks! I'm alive, alive I tell you!@ -
Wow, another new PB, this time for the 5000m. Knocked a grand POINT FIVE of a second off the old time!! 17:36.0.  Nothced the rower down to 6 on the resistance thing, and was flying along before I knew it, so though I would give record a nudge, and just did!! Will try revrn lower ratinings and see what happens.<br />
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Heart topped out at 170 at the end, was cruising along in the mid 160s before the last 500m sprint saw it jump to the 170. -
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A great year. -
[quote name='Hooroo']<br />
I was told by my trainer for maximum fat burn to keep my heart rate up over 163 for my entore workout (approx 60 minutes) But by fuck is it hard. Half the reason I collapsed I guess. Felt great after though<br />
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Thats insane, its the opposite, you want to burn fat you need your heart rate down at only 65% - so around 135 for someone 31, its all a trade off between fitness & fat, higher you go the more you will build up your cardio & the less fat you burn. <br />
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You wanna burn fat get on a rower & hold your rate at 130 beats a minute for half an hour, you wanna get fit do 2 minute bursts cranking your rate up to 160, then coast for 30 seconds, then just keep doing that till you pass out. -
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[quote name='Hooroo']<br />
I was told by my trainer for maximum fat burn to keep my heart rate up over 163 for my entore workout (approx 60 minutes) But by fuck is it hard. Half the reason I collapsed I guess. Felt great after though<br />
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Thats insane, its the opposite, you want to burn fat you need your heart rate down at only 65% - so around 135 for someone 31, its all a trade off between fitness & fat, higher you go the more you will build up your cardio & the less fat you burn. <br />
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You wanna burn fat get on a rower & hold your rate at 130 beats a minute for half an hour, you wanna get fit do 2 minute bursts cranking your rate up to 160, then coast for 30 seconds, then just keep doing that till you pass out.<br />
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Nah it's not, it's working. Shows what you know -
[quote name='Hooroo']<br />
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Nah it's not, it's working. Shows what you know<br />
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Congrats, you've managed to go entirely against every training plan ever, including the Polar, Nike & Suunto heart rate monitor webistes & every personal trainer I've ever spoken too <img src='http://www.daimenhutchison.com/invision/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':rolleyes:' /><br />
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Realistically you do an hour of cardio you will lose weight, no matter how you do it, but if your main goal is you want to lose weight you need to crank down your heart rate, otherwise you are just waisting half your workout<br />
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[url="http://www.polarusa.com/consumer/fitness/hrm.asp"]http://www.polarusa.com/consumer/fitness/hrm.asp[/url]<br />
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Key Target Zones <br />
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60-70% of max HR Good for weight loss, building endurance or recovery <br />
70-80% " " "Â Good for improving cardiovascular fitness <br />
80%+ " " " Interval workouts <br />
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Example:<br />
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Gerry is 45 years old, wants to lose weight, and exercises three days a week, sometimes for 10 minutes, sometimes for 20 minutes and is just not sure how hard to go. <br />
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*Her estimated max heart rate is 220-(age) 45=175<br />
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The recommended target zone is 60-70 % <br />
60% of 175=105<br />
70% of 175=123<br />
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Gerry’s target zone is 105-123<br />
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Gerry should exercise three days a week for at least 30 minutes and keep her heart rate between 105 and 123 for effective weight loss. IT'S THAT SIMPLE!<br />
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[url="http://www.heartratemonitor.co.uk/heart_rate_monitor_faq.html"]http://www.heartratemonitor.co.uk/heart ... r_faq.html[/url]<br />
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etc<br />
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ditto any decent personal trainer & every single heart rate manufacturer without exception -
[quote name='mogwai']<br />
[quote name='Hooroo']<br />
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Nah it's not, it's working. Shows what you know<br />
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Congrats, you've managed to go entirely against every training plan ever, including the Polar, Nike & Suunto heart rate monitor webistes & every personal trainer I've ever spoken too <img src='http://www.daimenhutchison.com/invision/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':rolleyes:' /><br />
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Realistically you do an hour of cardio you will lose weight, no matter how you do it, but if your main goal is you want to lose weight you need to crank down your heart rate, otherwise you are just waisting half your workout<br />
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[url="http://www.polarusa.com/consumer/fitness/hrm.asp"]http://www.polarusa.com/consumer/fitness/hrm.asp[/url]<br />
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Key Target Zones <br />
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60-70% of max HR Good for weight loss, building endurance or recovery <br />
70-80% " " "Â Good for improving cardiovascular fitness <br />
80%+ " " " Interval workouts <br />
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Example:<br />
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Gerry is 45 years old, wants to lose weight, and exercises three days a week, sometimes for 10 minutes, sometimes for 20 minutes and is just not sure how hard to go. <br />
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*Her estimated max heart rate is 220-(age) 45=175<br />
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The recommended target zone is 60-70 % <br />
60% of 175=105<br />
70% of 175=123<br />
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Gerry?s target zone is 105-123<br />
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Gerry should exercise three days a week for at least 30 minutes and keep her heart rate between 105 and 123 for effective weight loss. IT'S THAT SIMPLE!<br />
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ditto -<br />
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[url="http://www.heartratemonitor.co.uk/heart_rate_monitor_faq.html"]http://www.heartratemonitor.co.uk/heart ... r_faq.html[/url]<br />
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etc<br />
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ditto any decent personal trainer & every single heart rate manufacturer without exception<br />
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This was from a pro. I didn't make up this programme myself... I wouldn't know what the hell I was doing. I paid for this.. like others in the gym. It's the latest they are using at our gym with fantastic results. Sports science changes near daily. Don't be ignorant of that.<br />
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So I didn't even bother reading your speil as I would rather listen to a person who knows and studies this shit day to day than a person I don't know from the internet. -
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To stick my oar in, Mogwai's post is what I've been told in the past. <br />
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It will work but there is more than one way to skin a cat. I'm not saying he is wrong. But I am also saying that the dudes at out gym are also right. Sports science is forever changing -
sports science and understanding is changing, but the human body isn't. I can't get my heart rate that high for 30 minutes without passing out!! That is max effort for me, and can crank it to that for a few minutes. Can hold it around 150 forever, but with the same effort from minute one to minute 30, my heart will climb from 135 at the start, to the 160ish at the end of the row.<br />
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I don't think you could train all week at that sort of rate Hooroo - you need to mix it up. Me doing the slow rows, the Mogwai rows, and also the interval things, but with 30 secs effort and 90 secs rest, uintiol passing out (that is the 30 minutes too!!) or almost.<br />
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Was losing weight merrily but body got used to the med heart rate thing, so have been upping effort rate into those high zones and doing intervals etc. Have lost seven inches off my waist since starting all this rowing.<br />
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So what am I saying, do what works, as they both do. It's all about opinions, as on here. Your PT Hooroo, thinks you need to go mad into the high zones, while the next PT at the next gym will be the opposite, and then your opinoin would be opposite too... -
lunchtime row: in the 'mogwai zone'. 136-142 BPM :happy: 30 minutes 7864m<br />
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the 142 was the highest it went , so lsowed the row down a touch, staued pretty muich 136-138 most of the time.<br />
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I'll jump in here. I've heard the same, but never followed that myself. I always reckoned they safed it down for general population. Always thought that 145-155 was a minimium range for all periods of exercise. (To build more muscle, I wouldn't exceed 80 min workouts, and would have plenty of rest, focusing on heavy reps to exhaustion) (To get fit I'd do intervals ranging in length of time, plus hill work, and aim 30-90 minute workouts going quite hard....)<br />
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On topic, fat busting (which is often done by the less fit, so slower for safety, and to ensure the exerciser could continue without giving up/bonking/dying), (aside from boosting metabolism), the first 30-60 minutes exercise takes energy stored in the muscles (therefore hitting the wall when all easily available energy is used up). The next meal replenishes much of the energy stored in muscles. So, to lose fat go longer, make the body get used to using fat for energy.<br />
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If I was wanting to lose fat, I'd aim for longer sessions with little interruption/rest...1.5-3 hours<br />
-walk to the gym as warm up, (or go from a game), do the usual gym stuff, add on running/biking intervals (spinning class). <br />
-as far as swimming, studies on web said body wants more food immediately after exercising, and will store it as fat for warmth.<br />
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Also food. I'd avoid carbs after 7pm (forcing body to look elsewhere to replace energy in muscles (i.e from fat), and I'd eat more fish/steamed/raw and vege juices.<br />
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I'm going to start a thread on this general topic, hope I can get some helpful feedback. Thanks. -
hey Kea, welcome!<br />
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Also tdo your aerobic stuff after your weight session, as your weights will have burned up the energy stored in your muscles, so it is the fat your body starts into for the aerobic bit.<br />
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THat aside, a nice little row evening. 140 BPM, 5500m 20:28.6 minutes.
