Blues v Hurricanes
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I feel the Hurricanes forwards are missing a couple of big time leaders, similar to what TJ and Beaudy are for the backs. If we can get Coles and Evans back playing in the next few weeks it will give our forwards a little bit more edge, the edge needed to lift the Canes to their potential instead of scrapping out these ugly wins.
I think Smith, Armstrong and Numia have all performed well on the loosehead side, the tighthead side of the scrum is where we've really struggled this year and it hasn't helped with Fidow being injured for big parts. Toomaga Allen just doesn't cut it for me, big lump but he has no impact - will be happy to see the back of him. He is like the James Parsons of the Canes.
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@nzzp said in Blues v Hurricanes:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Blues v Hurricanes:
And Jordie Barrett (of all people) showed why Akira Ioane doesn't get selected for the ABs. He's an absolutely phenomenonal talent but who would bet against him doing something dumb in a big game?
Akira had one of the worst games I've seen from him in ages -- but he didn't (and doesn't) get penalised for his off the ball stuff. It's largely disappeared from his game.
Also, I understand he had 24 carries last night. Twenty four!!! Clearly lazy
Believe me, I'm a fan. But that particular incident I think showed why he isn't getting selected.
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@Canes4life said in Blues v Hurricanes:
I feel the Hurricanes forwards are missing a couple of big time leaders, similar to what TJ and Beaudy are for the backs. If we can get Coles and Evans back playing in the next few weeks it will give our forwards a little bit more edge, the edge needed to lift the Canes to their potential instead of scrapping out these ugly wins.
I think Smith, Armstrong and Numia have all performed well on the loosehead side, the tighthead side of the scrum is where we've really struggled this year and it hasn't helped with Fidow being injured for big parts. Toomaga Allen just doesn't cut it for me, big lump but he has no impact - will be happy to see the back of him. He is like the James Parsons of the Canes.
It's a shame Broadhurst had to retire. He would be just what we need now. Poor bugger. He was fantastic in 2015.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel same with Reggie Goodes. Both in their primes which made their retirements hard to take.
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@Canes4life said in Blues v Hurricanes:
@Rancid-Schnitzel same with Reggie Goodes. Both in their primes which made their retirements hard to take.
Imagine those two there now with a fit Coles and Shields. The Canes would be contenders again. As it stands, they'd be totally furked without Ardie.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Blues v Hurricanes:
@nzzp said in Blues v Hurricanes:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Blues v Hurricanes:
And Jordie Barrett (of all people) showed why Akira Ioane doesn't get selected for the ABs. He's an absolutely phenomenonal talent but who would bet against him doing something dumb in a big game?
Akira had one of the worst games I've seen from him in ages -- but he didn't (and doesn't) get penalised for his off the ball stuff. It's largely disappeared from his game.
Also, I understand he had 24 carries last night. Twenty four!!! Clearly lazy
Believe me, I'm a fan. But that particular incident I think showed why he isn't getting selected.
No it doesn't.
Akira has never ever been penalised once for off the ball stuff.
It simply has not happened.
So who cares?
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@KiwiMurph said in Blues v Hurricanes:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Blues v Hurricanes:
@nzzp said in Blues v Hurricanes:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Blues v Hurricanes:
And Jordie Barrett (of all people) showed why Akira Ioane doesn't get selected for the ABs. He's an absolutely phenomenonal talent but who would bet against him doing something dumb in a big game?
Akira had one of the worst games I've seen from him in ages -- but he didn't (and doesn't) get penalised for his off the ball stuff. It's largely disappeared from his game.
Also, I understand he had 24 carries last night. Twenty four!!! Clearly lazy
Believe me, I'm a fan. But that particular incident I think showed why he isn't getting selected.
No it doesn't.
Akira has never ever been penalised once for off the ball stuff.
It simply has not happened.
So who cares?
Agree... Jordie was acting like a dickhead in that exchange too. Rugby’s a confrontational game, there’s nothing wrong with a bit of push and shove.
A bigger concern was Akiras work at the back of the scrum, but jeez I thought Perenara was offside at least a couple of times when he disrupted the play. Blues flankers should have offered a bit more protection too.
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@KiwiMurph said in Blues v Hurricanes:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Blues v Hurricanes:
@nzzp said in Blues v Hurricanes:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Blues v Hurricanes:
And Jordie Barrett (of all people) showed why Akira Ioane doesn't get selected for the ABs. He's an absolutely phenomenonal talent but who would bet against him doing something dumb in a big game?
Akira had one of the worst games I've seen from him in ages -- but he didn't (and doesn't) get penalised for his off the ball stuff. It's largely disappeared from his game.
Also, I understand he had 24 carries last night. Twenty four!!! Clearly lazy
Believe me, I'm a fan. But that particular incident I think showed why he isn't getting selected.
No it doesn't.
Akira has never ever been penalised once for off the ball stuff.
It simply has not happened.
So who cares?
Never once? I would say that gives a pretty damn good indication. Why else wouldn't he be selected? He might have been considered lazy back in the day, but has had a great work rate the past couple of years. It has to be something about his attitude. There's no way Whitlock and Frizzel would have been selected over him otherwise.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel Ardie is bossing it out there. Just need to make sure we keep him fresh. We are probably one win away from sealing 4th position which will allow us to rest players and get them ready for the playoffs.
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@Canes4life said in Blues v Hurricanes:
@Rancid-Schnitzel Ardie is bossing it out there. Just need to make sure we keep him fresh. We are probably one win away from sealing 4th position which will allow us to rest players and get them ready for the playoffs.
Yeah I'm afraid they're thrashing him too much and he'll run out of steam. The guy has an incredible engine. Clearly and thankfully not like his brother.
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It'd be nice to see us run some backline moves off setpiece in the 22 as we're really forward orientated in that department. It must be moral sapping for the backs who never get the ball off setpiece in the 22, just watch the forwards(and sometimes halfback) mess up time after time in great scoring position.
Patrick should know by now that we're snake bitten in mauls. Even when we got some go forward the odd time there last night, we still messed it up. He's got to stop calling the forwards' number in the 22 - he's been here long enough to know that it only leads to tears.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Blues v Hurricanes:
@Canes4life said in Blues v Hurricanes:
@Rancid-Schnitzel Ardie is bossing it out there. Just need to make sure we keep him fresh. We are probably one win away from sealing 4th position which will allow us to rest players and get them ready for the playoffs.
Yeah I'm afraid they're thrashing him too much and he'll run out of steam. The guy has an incredible engine. Clearly and thankfully not like his brother.
This, yeah he's in the wider squad (or whatever those camp guys are called) give the bugger a rest! They're thrashing him. Ardie is getting thrashed too, but that's his way of playing - I hope he doesn't burn out!
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Blues v Hurricanes:
@KiwiMurph said in Blues v Hurricanes:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Blues v Hurricanes:
@nzzp said in Blues v Hurricanes:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Blues v Hurricanes:
And Jordie Barrett (of all people) showed why Akira Ioane doesn't get selected for the ABs. He's an absolutely phenomenonal talent but who would bet against him doing something dumb in a big game?
Akira had one of the worst games I've seen from him in ages -- but he didn't (and doesn't) get penalised for his off the ball stuff. It's largely disappeared from his game.
Also, I understand he had 24 carries last night. Twenty four!!! Clearly lazy
Believe me, I'm a fan. But that particular incident I think showed why he isn't getting selected.
No it doesn't.
Akira has never ever been penalised once for off the ball stuff.
It simply has not happened.
So who cares?
Never once? I would say that gives a pretty damn good indication. Why else wouldn't he be selected? He might have been considered lazy back in the day, but has had a great work rate the past couple of years. It has to be something about his attitude. There's no way Whitlock and Frizzel would have been selected over him otherwise.
Akira was the only player included in the recent foundation camp that had not played a test. That doesn't say he is on the outers to me.
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@KiwiMurph said in Blues v Hurricanes:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Blues v Hurricanes:
@KiwiMurph said in Blues v Hurricanes:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Blues v Hurricanes:
@nzzp said in Blues v Hurricanes:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Blues v Hurricanes:
And Jordie Barrett (of all people) showed why Akira Ioane doesn't get selected for the ABs. He's an absolutely phenomenonal talent but who would bet against him doing something dumb in a big game?
Akira had one of the worst games I've seen from him in ages -- but he didn't (and doesn't) get penalised for his off the ball stuff. It's largely disappeared from his game.
Also, I understand he had 24 carries last night. Twenty four!!! Clearly lazy
Believe me, I'm a fan. But that particular incident I think showed why he isn't getting selected.
No it doesn't.
Akira has never ever been penalised once for off the ball stuff.
It simply has not happened.
So who cares?
Never once? I would say that gives a pretty damn good indication. Why else wouldn't he be selected? He might have been considered lazy back in the day, but has had a great work rate the past couple of years. It has to be something about his attitude. There's no way Whitlock and Frizzel would have been selected over him otherwise.
Akira was the only player included in the recent foundation camp that had not played a test. That doesn't say he is on the outers to me.
That's a 41 player squad and of course he'll always be in the mix, particularly if there are injuries. But the fact he wasn't selected last year would indicate there's something Hanson and co aren't happy with. Again, I think the incident yesterday gives a good indication of what their concern is. He can hardly be accused of being lazy anymore.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Blues v Hurricanes:
@KiwiMurph said in Blues v Hurricanes:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Blues v Hurricanes:
@KiwiMurph said in Blues v Hurricanes:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Blues v Hurricanes:
@nzzp said in Blues v Hurricanes:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Blues v Hurricanes:
And Jordie Barrett (of all people) showed why Akira Ioane doesn't get selected for the ABs. He's an absolutely phenomenonal talent but who would bet against him doing something dumb in a big game?
Akira had one of the worst games I've seen from him in ages -- but he didn't (and doesn't) get penalised for his off the ball stuff. It's largely disappeared from his game.
Also, I understand he had 24 carries last night. Twenty four!!! Clearly lazy
Believe me, I'm a fan. But that particular incident I think showed why he isn't getting selected.
No it doesn't.
Akira has never ever been penalised once for off the ball stuff.
It simply has not happened.
So who cares?
Never once? I would say that gives a pretty damn good indication. Why else wouldn't he be selected? He might have been considered lazy back in the day, but has had a great work rate the past couple of years. It has to be something about his attitude. There's no way Whitlock and Frizzel would have been selected over him otherwise.
Akira was the only player included in the recent foundation camp that had not played a test. That doesn't say he is on the outers to me.
That's a 41 player squad and of course he'll always be in the mix, particularly if there are injuries. But the fact he wasn't selected last year would indicate there's something Hanson and co aren't happy with. Again, I think the incident yesterday gives a good indication of what their concern is. He can hardly be accused of being lazy anymore.
The 'incident' you speak of
Jordie cunningly tried to goad Akira by pulling on his collar when Akira went for the ball. There was then some push and shove.
Nothing happened. Play then carried on.
Talk about a non event.
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@KiwiMurph said in Blues v Hurricanes:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Blues v Hurricanes:
@KiwiMurph said in Blues v Hurricanes:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Blues v Hurricanes:
@KiwiMurph said in Blues v Hurricanes:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Blues v Hurricanes:
@nzzp said in Blues v Hurricanes:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Blues v Hurricanes:
And Jordie Barrett (of all people) showed why Akira Ioane doesn't get selected for the ABs. He's an absolutely phenomenonal talent but who would bet against him doing something dumb in a big game?
Akira had one of the worst games I've seen from him in ages -- but he didn't (and doesn't) get penalised for his off the ball stuff. It's largely disappeared from his game.
Also, I understand he had 24 carries last night. Twenty four!!! Clearly lazy
Believe me, I'm a fan. But that particular incident I think showed why he isn't getting selected.
No it doesn't.
Akira has never ever been penalised once for off the ball stuff.
It simply has not happened.
So who cares?
Never once? I would say that gives a pretty damn good indication. Why else wouldn't he be selected? He might have been considered lazy back in the day, but has had a great work rate the past couple of years. It has to be something about his attitude. There's no way Whitlock and Frizzel would have been selected over him otherwise.
Akira was the only player included in the recent foundation camp that had not played a test. That doesn't say he is on the outers to me.
That's a 41 player squad and of course he'll always be in the mix, particularly if there are injuries. But the fact he wasn't selected last year would indicate there's something Hanson and co aren't happy with. Again, I think the incident yesterday gives a good indication of what their concern is. He can hardly be accused of being lazy anymore.
The 'incident' you speak of
Jordie cunningly tried to goad Akira by pulling on his collar when Akira went for the ball. There was then some push and shove.
Nothing happened. Play then carried on.
Talk about a non event.
For the 4th time, I was merely saying it gives an indication of why Akira has never played a test in black. Or do you think it's because of his beep test times?
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It looks pretty clear to me that the drinking incident in Dunedin that Steven Harris and Magpie in Aus documented last year was the cause of Akira not featuring in any subsequent AB squads last year.
He went from "invited to train with" to not even featuring in the 51 man squad that went to Japan.
And now that he's served his 2019 penance, he's back in the mix for the foundation camps, where plenty of other loose forwards who went to Japan aren't.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Blues v Hurricanes:
@KiwiMurph said in Blues v Hurricanes:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Blues v Hurricanes:
@KiwiMurph said in Blues v Hurricanes:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Blues v Hurricanes:
@KiwiMurph said in Blues v Hurricanes:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Blues v Hurricanes:
@nzzp said in Blues v Hurricanes:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Blues v Hurricanes:
And Jordie Barrett (of all people) showed why Akira Ioane doesn't get selected for the ABs. He's an absolutely phenomenonal talent but who would bet against him doing something dumb in a big game?
Akira had one of the worst games I've seen from him in ages -- but he didn't (and doesn't) get penalised for his off the ball stuff. It's largely disappeared from his game.
Also, I understand he had 24 carries last night. Twenty four!!! Clearly lazy
Believe me, I'm a fan. But that particular incident I think showed why he isn't getting selected.
No it doesn't.
Akira has never ever been penalised once for off the ball stuff.
It simply has not happened.
So who cares?
Never once? I would say that gives a pretty damn good indication. Why else wouldn't he be selected? He might have been considered lazy back in the day, but has had a great work rate the past couple of years. It has to be something about his attitude. There's no way Whitlock and Frizzel would have been selected over him otherwise.
Akira was the only player included in the recent foundation camp that had not played a test. That doesn't say he is on the outers to me.
That's a 41 player squad and of course he'll always be in the mix, particularly if there are injuries. But the fact he wasn't selected last year would indicate there's something Hanson and co aren't happy with. Again, I think the incident yesterday gives a good indication of what their concern is. He can hardly be accused of being lazy anymore.
The 'incident' you speak of
Jordie cunningly tried to goad Akira by pulling on his collar when Akira went for the ball. There was then some push and shove.
Nothing happened. Play then carried on.
Talk about a non event.
For the 4th time, I was merely saying it gives an indication of why Akira has never played a test in black. Or do you think it's because of his beep test times?
Now you are backtracking - you said
"And Jordie Barrett (of all people) showed why Akira Ioane doesn't get selected for the ABs. He's an absolutely phenomenonal talent but who would bet against him doing something dumb in a big game"
This is despite Akira never having been penalised for any niggle etc in any Super/Mitre 10/Maori game he has played.
I just cannot fathom this being a reason for his non-selection.
If ABs are worried about players doing something dumb then they need to focus their efforts on other players (SBW for one).
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Blues v Hurricanes:
@KiwiMurph said in Blues v Hurricanes:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Blues v Hurricanes:
@KiwiMurph said in Blues v Hurricanes:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Blues v Hurricanes:
@KiwiMurph said in Blues v Hurricanes:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Blues v Hurricanes:
@nzzp said in Blues v Hurricanes:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Blues v Hurricanes:
And Jordie Barrett (of all people) showed why Akira Ioane doesn't get selected for the ABs. He's an absolutely phenomenonal talent but who would bet against him doing something dumb in a big game?
Akira had one of the worst games I've seen from him in ages -- but he didn't (and doesn't) get penalised for his off the ball stuff. It's largely disappeared from his game.
Also, I understand he had 24 carries last night. Twenty four!!! Clearly lazy
Believe me, I'm a fan. But that particular incident I think showed why he isn't getting selected.
No it doesn't.
Akira has never ever been penalised once for off the ball stuff.
It simply has not happened.
So who cares?
Never once? I would say that gives a pretty damn good indication. Why else wouldn't he be selected? He might have been considered lazy back in the day, but has had a great work rate the past couple of years. It has to be something about his attitude. There's no way Whitlock and Frizzel would have been selected over him otherwise.
Akira was the only player included in the recent foundation camp that had not played a test. That doesn't say he is on the outers to me.
That's a 41 player squad and of course he'll always be in the mix, particularly if there are injuries. But the fact he wasn't selected last year would indicate there's something Hanson and co aren't happy with. Again, I think the incident yesterday gives a good indication of what their concern is. He can hardly be accused of being lazy anymore.
The 'incident' you speak of
Jordie cunningly tried to goad Akira by pulling on his collar when Akira went for the ball. There was then some push and shove.
Nothing happened. Play then carried on.
Talk about a non event.
For the 4th time, I was merely saying it gives an indication of why Akira has never played a test in black. Or do you think it's because of his beep test times?
It's the specific position work that he isn't/ wasn't doing the selectors want to see more of.
BTW, his reaction to being goaded by Jordie was perfectly fine - it was Jordie that attacked the head of an opposition player, not Akira.
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Very frustrating again to see fringe squad selection Ma'a Nonu picked at twelve and kick, pass and run more than the first-fives on the team. If only we had Southland's designated centre we would be in finals contention.
Part of me wants to blame Rangi for that one, but it was simple skills execution and in Super Rugby that happens, particularly in a shoot out between too flawed teams. Look forward to the return.
