Canadian Politics
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He was a drama teacher. He calls it “make-up.” His fan club (also known as the CBC and Toronto Star) will report it as such, and they’ll make it a non-story. Double-standards apply with news media everywhere.
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@Salacious-Crumb said in Canadian Politics:
He was a drama teacher. He calls it “make-up.” His fan club (also known as the CBC and Toronto Star) will report it as such, and they’ll make it a non-story. Double-standards apply with news media everywhere.
Is Greta Thunberg going Canada to tell him to be more of a cuck?
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Now a third instance has been published.
Pretty embarrassing all around responses from both the Singh and Scheer. Singh straight in with the identity politics wedge and Scheer needlessly on the attack where he simply needed to repeat his widely mocked, but now pertinant "if they apologize then I accept that and we move on."
Trudeau is going to resurface shortly, but so far he has handled himself the best in all this.
edit: yeah scrub that. I guess the handlers got to him in the intervening 18 hours. In the first 5 minutes of the press conference: "layers of privilege", "intersectionality", "rascialized Canadians", "unconscious bias"... I wish I were joking.
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This is glorious. Feels like some of the lunatics in politics are getting some much deserved payback.
Personally I really don't understand the problem with 'blackface' in most contexts. I understand it has historical racial undertones in US theatre however for the most part modern day 'black/brown face' is often more of a homage than ridicule. My 'of colour' friends feel the same way. It's just the highly annoying super progressive piston wristed gibbons like Trudeau who make everything about privilege and race that are pushing most of this insanity so well 'just desserts dickhead'
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@Frank said in Canadian Politics:
I don't have problems with him dressing up.
It is that he such a moralizing PC scold that makes its so funny.
It's like Jacinda being caught slagging off Muslims in private.Personally I would never wear black face. Hats off to the people who had this info and had the self discipline to hold onto it for four years to drop into the public sphere while he’s in an election campaign.
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Headline: Delicious.
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@Rembrandt said in Canadian Politics:
Headline: Delicious.
Every single person selected to be shown in the interviews half way down the page says no big deal move along.
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Even if he’s re-elected, he’ll be hearing giggles and endlessly mocked every time he tries to virtue-signal.
It’s funny how the liberal media keeps calling it “brownface,” even after J.T. himself emphasized twice after his earlier calling it “make-up” that what it was, was “blackface.”
What’s not so funny is how the Liberal party and their Praetorian Guard media are now trying to imply that it’s not Justin’s fault, it’s Canada’s fault, especially white privilege.
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@Rembrandt said in Canadian Politics:
Personally I really don't understand the problem with 'blackface' in most contexts. I understand it has historical racial undertones in US theatre however for the most part modern day 'black/brown face' is often more of a homage than ridicule.
While I can agree that it's difficult to figure out any consistent logical argument as to why it specifically is offensive outside of that historical US context - I'm very much of the opinion that socially that ship has well and truly sailed and it's not something I really care enough about to argue about.
What isn't immediately obvious to me is why this is offensive to the NDP leader Jagmeet Singh? On the two occasions in question JT was an Arab and Jamaican. How are either of these portrayals are offensive to a Canadian Sikh?
Along the same lines how is responding with hurt feelings and emotion over something 20 years old a valid response from a potential PM? These pictures were printed in school year books, it's pretty obvious this was within the bounds (albeit perhaps on the edge) of socially acceptable behaviour at the time and like you said it's not exactly clear why outside of the US context cross-racial dressing is inappropriate and why say Melissa McCarthy's cross gender depiction of Sean Spicer is appropriate. It's utterly banal for Singh to pretend that it is wrong on it's face and always has been and that everyone is offended by it.
And by the same token it's just as stupid to pretend that because Singh, as a Sikh, has a more complicated and nuanced view on the Air India terrorist attack from decades ago makes him pro-terrorism against Canadians.
Singh seriously said with a straight face that he might be so hurt he may not be able to shake Trudeau's hand at the debate. I don't believe international politics is for him.
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@rotated said in Canadian Politics:
Along the same lines how is responding with hurt feelings and emotion over something 20 years old a valid response from a potential PM? These pictures were printed in school year books, it's pretty obvious this was within the bounds (albeit perhaps on the edge) of socially acceptable behaviour at the time and like you said it's not exactly clear why outside of the US context cross-racial dressing is ..
It might have been acceptable in elite circles and prep schools, but nowhere else, certainly not for the past 50 years.
In North America they stopped playing “The Jazz Singer” on tv in the 1970s for that very reason. Al Jolson’s reputation never recovered, and even Fred Astaire was condemned for doing a blackface routine pre-WW2, and that haunted him. In the U.K. there were protests against The Black & White Minstrel Show in the late 60s and the controversy continued through the 1970s.
The larger point is that Trudeau is getting whacked here because of his rank hypocrisy, having routinely virtue-signalled and condemned conservatives as being white supremacists, insisting that even considerably smaller offenses “have no place in Canada.” . He’s now tasked with playing by the same set of rules that his politically-correct cohort referees have been fingerwagging at everybody else. Glass houses, etc.
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@Salacious-Crumb said in Canadian Politics:
It might have been acceptable in elite circles and prep schools, but nowhere else, certainly not for the past 50 years.
I think we have to really divorce the minstrel inspired blackface with an obvious backstory from the brown/native/yellow/whatever else face. Back in 2000, even in the US, trying to tie those two things together you would have had a tough time.
Obviously straight up Minstrel was out, even though we have mainstream examples of Billy Crystal, Dan Ackroyd and Ted Danson doing it unironically on major platforms less than a decade before. But between my wife and Canadian friends who would have been HS students around the same time as the Aladdin costume, Indian costumes (both native and east) and Arab themed get up were not uncommon and while considered provocative (and a massive time investment) but not in anyway offside at parties where a theme would warrant it, or Halloween.
I spent that part of my life in Aus where costume parties weren't a thing (pre-Instagram), and while similar obviously has way less racial influence from the US - but back then offence was waaaay more prescriptive. Before something like that was considered offensive you actually had to describe how and why. As an example ex-test cricketer Greg Ritchie did a highly stereotypical Indian character Mahatma Cote on the major network for almost a decade. It was considered borderline and risque by most, and in poor taste and not to their liking by many, but only became an issue to the point of deplatforming when he was going to perform in character at lunch during a test while India were touring (and rightfully so, IMO). But this was mid-00s mind you, while Borat was a hit in the cinemas. Along the same lines Sam Newman did a notorious (albiet benign) impersonation of aboriginal AFL player Nicky Winmar which caused a stir, but it wasn't reason enough to cancel the show, have him fired or network's license. I can't imagine it was substantially different around that time in Canada.
I sign up with what Mad Max is saying on this one. Deciding if someone is racist or not based on a 20 year old photo is irrational politics. Signing up to identity politics, if even to point out a hypocrit is pretty dumb by Scheer IMO.
edit: TL;DR I watched exported shows like Ed the Sock, Tom Green Show and Kenny vs Spenny in high school I fail to believe Canada was that progressive in 2001.
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@rotated said in Canadian Politics:
I sign up with what Mad Max is saying on this one. Deciding if someone is racist or not based on a 20 year old photo is irrational politics. Signing up to identity politics, if even to point out a hypocrit is pretty dumb by Scheer IMO.
You can’t let the opposition write all the rules, break their own rules, hold your feet to the fire when you do the same thing, call you out as a racist and white supremacist, then take the noble high ground and forgive ‘n forget when they do it, and expect to win. That’s a tilted playing field, bullies vs wussies. It’s brass knuckles politics. Trudeau has to be held to the same asstight rules he uses as a hammer against others. Not simply for political advantage, But to fight back for the millions of decent people who’ve had a gutsfull being called a racist because they vote for provincial conservative governments. It’s that simple.
Trudeau’s federal government is Liberal — this lot is probably the most leftie Liberal government in anybodies living memory. Social justice and identity-politics on steroids.
But look at the makeup of the provincial governments, especially the economic engines. West-to-east:
BRITISH COLUMBIA: NDP (socialists)
ALBERTA: UCP (conservative)
Saskatchewan: SP (conservative)
Manitoba: PC (conservative)
ONTARIO: CON (conservative)
QUEBEC: PAQ (conservative)
Prince Edward Island: PC (conservative)
New Brunswick: PC (conservative)
Nova Scotia: Liberal (centre-left)
Newfoundland: Liberal (centre-left)
Canada is a mostly small “l” liberal nation, but there is a populist conservative strain that is proud of their history and culture, and is fed-up with SJW’s telling them how awful they are. Those provinces have populist conservative leaders (the Big Two; and three of the big four) who’ve called bullshit on political correctness and stood up to talk about the inherent decency of their voters and their culture instead of condemning them as deplorable subhuman neanderthals the way Justin Trudeau and his Liberal Party regularly does. Many regular Canadians like hockey. They like hunting and fishing, they like drinking beer and throwing meat on a bbq, and they’re sick of feeling like they have to apologize for it. (I visited friends in the Muskokas a couple months ago, reasonable people you would expect to be limousine liberals, and that’s what they were saying.) The results speak for themselves. And in Trudeau’s case, the comeuppance could not be more delicious, or more of a dramatically teachable-moment for drama teachers everywhere.