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  Politics Sub Forum
  • Duluth  

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  The quarterly reminder about some of the rules Please don't post memes that say people with different views are stupid and/or evil. These will be deleted A few of these have been getting removed recently. They don't help conversation and what some find funny others get pissed at. This rule was added during the Hillary/Trump campaign and a couple of threads were just getting spammed with memes about retard Trump and Hillary's death count etc etc Spam There's few complaints about this too. Some of the threads are just getting the latest twitter outrage dumped into them. No real discussion takes place. Just be aware that this pisses a lot of fellow posters off and makes people put threads (or the entire sub-forum) on ignore. ...and this is still annoying a lot of users If you are being evangelical and trying to win converts to your 'side' perhaps consider that a NZ sports forum is probably not the best place for your mission. Also don't just dump your favourite twitter posts of the day into threads here. Again it crowds out the conversation
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  Cannabis debate
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  @nzzp I should have added, I haven't seen the detail of the bill proposed (for either actually). And I can totally understand a dr being nervous if all decisions were placed in their hands!
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  Your favourite conspiracy theories
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  NZ Politics
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  @Billy-Tell said in NZ Politics: @Godder said in NZ Politics: The 10 days sick leave is an E Tu policy remit I believe. The $20 minimum wage by April 2021 is current policy agreed with NZ First, so not much of an announcement. How useful is a minimum wage? Is it just inflationary or does it actually help prevent exploitation? I live in Switzerland, where everyone is well paid, and interestingly there is no legal minimum wage. I’ve now lived in NZ, Australia, France, Ireland and Switzerland, and the latter is by far and away the best run country. Depends on the country I guess. A lot of Scandinavian countries also have no legal minimum wage, but there are union-negotiated awards which do the same job. The original purpose of the minimum wage was to allow a man to support a family on one income with enough surplus to buy a house and enough spare time to keep a vegetable garden. Has been a long time since that was possible on the minimum wage...
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  Black Lives Matter
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  3 apparently murdered at random last night by a man in a 'justice for Breonna Taylor' tshirt. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/arrest-made-in-bungalow-joes-restaurant-shooting-that-left-3-dead/ar-BB19c98w
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  US Politics
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  @Rembrandt Seemed pretty genuine response to me.
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  Political Memes
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  Initial reactions to Bader-Ginsburg's death are coming in.
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  Brexit
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  @pakman said in Brexit: @Godder said in Brexit: @Victor-Meldrew said in Brexit: @Godder said in Brexit: @Victor-Meldrew The bill is unlikely to pass the House of Lords, and if the Lords vote it down, it takes a year before it can be pushed through over their opposition. Are you sure? I understood the Lords can reject a bill, but if it's passed a 3rd reading in the House of Commons and if the Lords reject it again, it automatically goes for Royal Assent. May be wrong. Also, Gina Miller, in trying to stop Article 50 being enacted by the then government, argued successfully and got a Supreme Court judgement that the HoC held primacy on legislation. Apparently that only applies to supply (tax) bills. Otherwise it takes a year. @Godder said in Brexit: @Victor-Meldrew said in Brexit: @Godder said in Brexit: @Victor-Meldrew The bill is unlikely to pass the House of Lords, and if the Lords vote it down, it takes a year before it can be pushed through over their opposition. Are you sure? I understood the Lords can reject a bill, but if it's passed a 3rd reading in the House of Commons and if the Lords reject it again, it automatically goes for Royal Assent. May be wrong. Also, Gina Miller, in trying to stop Article 50 being enacted by the then government, argued successfully and got a Supreme Court judgement that the HoC held primacy on legislation. Apparently that only applies to supply (tax) bills. Otherwise it takes a year. Makes for interesting uncertainty. If EU push too hard, Lords pivots and they get shut down. Apparently Boris has invoked Salisbury convention that Lords does not vote against manifesto promises of elected party. Very interesting stuff, although there are also arguments that passing the specific legislation here is enough of an overreach that it would be outside the Convention anyway.
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  Aussie Politics
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  @antipodean that Victorian policeman has inflicted demonstrably more brutality on a suspect than Derek Chauvin did in Minnesota. Strange world.
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  The Left ... Need Some Thoughts ...
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  @Bones said in The Left ... Need Some Thoughts ...: @MiketheSnow pissed myself laughing when she shows footage of herself supposedly getting sighed at on public transport....while eating. Got to keep the engine running, or should that be idling
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  British Politics
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  @MiketheSnow post photography editing? I find that one a bit too obvious to buy...
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  The Politics Quiz!
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  @dogmeat said in The Politics Quiz!: All these things show me as being miles away from my voting intentions. You simply don't know your own mind then.
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  Christchurch Gunman in Mosque
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  Hopefully that is the last we see of him in our media now (unless he is shived on his way to the shower) even when he does eventuslly die in prison, there shouldn't be a mention, consign that fluffybunny to the dark pages of our history books.
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  Royal drama
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  @Bones said in Royal drama: https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1327513/meghan-markle-news-interview-gloria-steinem-video-duchess-of-sussex-title https://images.app.goo.gl/tJmSaheq5SjzwHUK7
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  Kim Jong Un Ill After Surgery
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  Looks to be all back in the press again...
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  Hong Kong
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  @pakman Thanks. Interesting read. My major take out was "moved into new offices (complete with an on-site pub)"
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  Jeffrey Epstein
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  @Bones not sure if that is clever or will just hasten her totally autonomous decision to depart this mortal coil!!
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  The Folau Factor
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  @booboo anonymous - goes by pseudonym "The Mocker" . @ACT-Crusader said in The Folau Factor: @antipodean as an aside, that Nicholas Sandmann piece was gold. Isn't it just?
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  Canadian Politics
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  @Tim https://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/the-nova-scotia-shooter-case-has-hallmarks-of-an-undercover-operation/amp/ https://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/time-for-real-answers-on-the-nova-scotia-mass-murder/amp/
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  Tiwai Smelter Closure
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  @Stockcar86 said in Tiwai Smelter Closure: @NTA Similar I think. The generators offer into the market a specific quantity at a specific price. The highest-priced bid offered by a generator required to meet demand for a given half-hour sets the spot price for that period That sounds right. In theory, if cheap hydro is available in large quantities, the expensive generation should rarely be required, so spot prices should trend quite a bit lower.
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  Cannabis referendum
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  @JC said in Cannabis referendum: @Kruse Akira is more dangerous than alcohol or cigarettes, and more awesome than weed. He should definitely be legalized. Dangerous ground there on a contentious issue. Lets stick to the safe discussions like abortion and religion.
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  Covid Economics
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  @Godder I was gonna say ol' Gareth has been banging that drum for years then I saw the link address...
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  Oil Price
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  @Catogrande I did actually see the press conference when he said it. Whether he follows through, or is able to, we will see. If it doesn't happen then someone will call him on it no doubt.
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  Jussie "MAGA Country" Smollett
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  This is from Newsweek and funnily enough they appended a video of Jussie. RACIST THREATS AND ATTACKS THAT RATTLED A CALIFORNIA UNIVERSITY CAMPUS WERE FAKED, POLICE SAY [...] Dominguez Peña, who was living in campus housing and named in the threat, found her parked car emitting smoke. Someone had tried to start a fire with a backpack inside the vehicle. The university cancelled all remaining classes that day and the La Verne Police Department and the Federal Bureau of Investigation stepped in to investigate. The back-to-back incidents rattled the community, forcing the administration to hold town hall-style meetings and cancel more classes the following week. But no arrests were made. Some students blamed the university for allowing racism to fester and warned that it would only be a matter of time before another racist attack. Two months later, Dominguez Peña reported she was attacked by a masked individual who placed a bag and rope over her head, groped her and slammed her head against the railing in a dormitory stairwell. All the cases remained unsolved—until March 9, 2020. After nearly a year of investigations involving multiple agencies, the LVPD said at a press conference that Dominguez Peña, 25, had faked the threats against herself and others in ten total separate "incidents." The same day, she was arrested on felony charges of making criminal threats and perjury, as well as seven misdemeanors related to electronic impersonation and filing false police reports. [...] https://www.newsweek.com/racist-threats-attacks-that-rattled-california-university-campus-were-faked-police-say-1497533
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  Conservative vs Progressive Family Values
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  Back to OP I'm chief cook & bottlewasher in my house when I'm not away in Japan for the winter. My partner Nerys has the full-time job out of the house. I get up every morning to walk the dog then back to make her breakfast and lunch if she wants to take one to work. Then through the week it's cleaning, shopping, cooking. That's my role. To support her. The lady from Brisbane is doing the same thing. Unlike a lot of partners these days, she doesn't want her cake and eat it too.
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  Harvey Weinstein
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  Tommy Robinson
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  @Siam said in Tommy Robinson: @MajorRage you haven't seen the footage either. If it were anybody else, that video would be edited and on news in every country. Don't get all shitty about it, you're simply commenting without seeing all that's available. That footage is tv gold and entirely topical. The guy did a good thing, it's all simply what depersoning someone looks like. In this modern world of equality. The above has no relevance to anything I wrote. Which were my observations. You can argue anything you want fella, but you can't argue my observations, unless you are calling me a liar. As for getting shitty ... best grab a mirror mate.
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  Scandinavia thread
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  @Catogrande 40! years ago I spent a couple of months hitching through Scandinavia. In those days lager was 5 quid a pint!!! Nevertheless everyone was very generous. I seldom got a lift without an accompanying meal and a beer - which was awkward as your host would offer you a can and then not have one themselves as it was too fucking expensive. There were also a reasonable number (in the 20's) of people dying every year when their backwoods stills exploded. Ferries were packed with people getting absolutely shitfaced for the day on duty frees.
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  Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues
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  @Siam said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues: ( based on median GDP over 80 years) 5 trillion US dollars. For 5 million people to pay for ( I don't even know how many millions that is each) Maybe US1 million each. (if 5 trillion is 5 million million) To reduce the temperature even based on the most scary calculation by the climate alarmists. It would be so small (less then 0.01 degrees) And there are nil restrictions on China (easily the biggest CO2 producer. NZ in comparison is tiny) and India. But lets destroy the NZ economy (esp farming). And send billions overseas to a fund where the money isn't accounted for. And use climate change to justify more tax etc.
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  Aussie Bush Fires
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  Yeah, it's a bit humid... The "feels like" just ticked over 40 again. No rain in sight. It's Feb in the tropics and I am considering putting the sprinklers on.
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  Ricky Gervais At Globes
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  Racism in NZ
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  Sorry to resurrect an old thread but wasn't sure where to post this. I found this article really interesting - makes me think about race in a different way. Would be interested to read his book. https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/26/fight-racism-using-science-race-genetics-bigotry-african-americans-sport-linnaeus?__twitter_impression=true
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  Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East
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  Not a good time to be a leader in the Iranian military https://m.jpost.com/Middle-East/Iran-News/Iranian-commander-gunned-down-in-front-of-his-own-home-614978
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  Student Loans
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  Supposedly if you dispute that there's a debt at all, they can't collect without a court order or similar. All a bit messy - I went to university 1998 so had the full whack of interest and can relate. Not sure what the answer is, because it's a loan and to be repaid, but the lender can literally change the law around the obligations after the loan was made, can arrest for default, take from wages etc, and it's only wiped by death or bankruptcy, where other unsecured loans are also wiped by No Asset Procedures, so it's not exactly a standard loan.
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  South americas meltdown
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  In a perfect world Owen Jones and Sean Penn would read this https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/01/19/784178950/his-dad-died-in-a-venezuelan-hospital-what-he-saw-in-the-morgue-still-haunts-him
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  European Politics
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  @JC Sounds super reasonable. I do wonder what the 'bold' climate policies are though. Kind of a genius move calling yourself the Greens campaigning on climate to keep the extremists from calling you Nazis while at the same time having libertarian and conservative policies. Hard to imagine a Green party interested in preserving the environment as opposed to creating a gulag archipelago.
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  Guns?.........or is that the least of the problems?
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  Fascinating long read. Here’s the headline, intro & link: The Surprisingly Solid Mathematical Case of the Tin Foil Hat Gun Prepper Or, “Who Needs an AR-15 Anyway?” As gun policy discussions unfold in the wake of mass shooter incidents, they routinely end in three buckets. There’s the “tyranny can never happen here” bucket, which the left has mostly abdicated in the wake of Trump winning after they called (and still call) him a tyrant. There’s the “you can’t fight the army with small arms” bucket, which is increasingly unsound given our ongoing decade-and-a-half war with Afghani tribal goat herders. And there’s the “what the hell do you need an AR-15 for anyway?” bucket, which, by its very language, eschews a fundamental lack of understanding of what those people are thinking. I am not a prepper. But I know a few. Some of the ones I do know are smart. They may not be doing as deep an analysis as I present here, on a mathematical level, but the smart ones are definitely doing it at a subconscious level. If you want to understand the perspectives of others, as everyone in my opinion should strive to do, then you would do well to read to the end of this article. To get where we’re going, we will need to discuss the general framework of disaster mathematics. [...] https://medium.com/s/story/the-surprisingly-solid-mathematical-case-of-the-tin-foil-hat-gun-prepper-15fce7d10437
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  Baghdadi gooooooooone
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  @JC said in Baghdadi gooooooooone: @jegga said in Baghdadi gooooooooone: Jamie Lee Curtis has an interesting take ... and a great rack. Had . Had a fantastic rack . For an alleged hermaphrodite
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  Edward Snowden
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  About 2/3rd through, taking my time and re-listening to parts as I think its probably pretty important. Pretty fascinating story although pretty unsurprising really. I do wonder if the existence of the Constitution might in time right these wrongs, at least it gives some sort of a firm foundation to work back toward.
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  Euro qualifier stopped twice for Racism
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  @MajorRage you colonials really have come a long way in the humour department.