RWC: Japan v Samoa (Pool A)
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@Bovidae said in RWC: Japan v Samoa (Pool A):
I'd much rather the ABs play Japan in the QFs and put Ireland on the other side of the draw. Ireland-SA would be a fascinating game to watch.
Agreed. Japan we will beat if for no other reason than we're not a team that loses to tier two teams - it's bad enough we lost to Ireland at their height.
Let Ireland and South Africa beat each other up.
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@akan004 said in RWC: Japan v Samoa (Pool A):
@ACT-Crusader said in RWC: Japan v Samoa (Pool A):
@akan004 said in RWC: Japan v Samoa (Pool A):
@ACT-Crusader said in RWC: Japan v Samoa (Pool A):
@akan004 said in RWC: Japan v Samoa (Pool A):
@Bovidae said in RWC: Japan v Samoa (Pool A):
I'd much rather the ABs play Japan in the QFs and put Ireland on the other side of the draw. Ireland-SA would be a fascinating game to watch.
Yeah. It would be such a travesty if the Boks get the easy route and avoid Ireland after losing their game against us.
Why? Ireland got exposed by Japan, so why should they be rewarded with a top spot in their pool?
And why should SA get the easier draw after being exposed by us?
As it stands Ireland is an easier game than Japan.
Ireland don’t bring the breakdown discipline or intensity at the tackle that Japan do.
Ireland haven't brought that so far but they are more than capable of doing that. They did that in Dublin and we had no answers.
We're on a more accurate and level playing field. We've also got a better understanding of how we want to play against the threat they pose. I also doubt they'll take their opportunity while we stuff ours. Play that fixture another 90 times and I'd expect us to win a tight one.
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@voodoo said in RWC: Japan v Samoa (Pool A):
@Frank said in RWC: Japan v Samoa (Pool A):
So, for Ireland to top the pool, they must beat Samoa and Japan must lose to Scotland.
I think both will happen
Scotland will lose. They are a tier 2 country in tier 1 clothing. I don’t understand why people think they will beat japan. They have a rubbish pack and 2 good backs.
The funniest result though would be Samoa beating Ireland and Scotland beating japan. Japan and Scotland go through.
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@Tim said in RWC: Japan v Samoa (Pool A):
Heard a rumour on a podcast about Jamie Joseph being in the running to coach Australia.
Heard a rumour Jamie Joseph’s citizenship might be revoked.
No kiwi should ever coach Aussie.
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@Billy-Tell said in RWC: Japan v Samoa (Pool A):
@Tim said in RWC: Japan v Samoa (Pool A):
Heard a rumour on a podcast about Jamie Joseph being in the running to coach Australia.
Heard a rumour Jamie Joseph’s citizenship might be revoked.
No kiwi should ever coach Aussie.
Unless his name is Mark Hammettt or Craig Philpott.
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@Billy-Tell said in RWC: Japan v Samoa (Pool A):
@voodoo said in RWC: Japan v Samoa (Pool A):
@Frank said in RWC: Japan v Samoa (Pool A):
So, for Ireland to top the pool, they must beat Samoa and Japan must lose to Scotland.
I think both will happen
Scotland will lose. They are a tier 2 country in tier 1 clothing. I don’t understand why people think they will beat japan. They have a rubbish pack and 2 good backs.
The funniest result though would be Samoa beating Ireland and Scotland beating japan. Japan and Scotland go through.
Scotland have a 4 day turnaround before Japan. I think japan go through undefeated in the pool - and well done them.
Ireland did well against us last time, but our offense didn't fire at all. If we only score 9 against them this time, we deserve to lose.
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So, in this pool, the current standings are :
1 - Japan (14 pts)
2 - Ireland (11 pts)
3 - Scotland (5 pts)I guess Ireland will beat Samoa with a bonus point : they will probably finish with 16 points (15 if they cannot score 4 tries or more).
Scotland will defeat Russia and earn a bonus point : they will have 10 points before their match against Japan.Possible scenarii :
Japan beat Scotland (with or without bonus point) : they finish first and Ireland second.
Japan draw with Scotland with no bonus points earned. They finish with 16 points and first because of their win over Ireland. Scotland are eliminated. If they get a bonus point, they finish first with 17 points.
Scotland win against Japan with a bonus point for 4 tries. They finish second and Japan are out of their World Cup if they get no bonus point or one bonus point. Japan finish first if they get two bonus points, Ireland second and Scotland third.
Scotland win against Japan with no bonus point. They finish second and Japan are eliminated. Scotland win against Japan with no bonus point but with Japan getting a bonus point for a deafeat by less than 7 points, Scotland are eliminated and Japan finish second with 15 points behind Ireland.So Carbery's decision to kick into touch at the hooter was not so dumb. He thus preserved a bonus point which keeps Ireland out of an elimination.
However, Ireland are in possible trouble if they do not get a win with a bonus point against Samoa. -
@Billy-Tell said in RWC: Japan v Samoa (Pool A):
@voodoo said in RWC: Japan v Samoa (Pool A):
@Frank said in RWC: Japan v Samoa (Pool A):
So, for Ireland to top the pool, they must beat Samoa and Japan must lose to Scotland.
I think both will happen
Scotland will lose. They are a tier 2 country in tier 1 clothing. I don’t understand why people think they will beat japan. They have a rubbish pack and 2 good backs.
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The funniest result though would be Samoa beating Ireland and Scotland beating japan. Japan and Scotland go through.Hahahahahahahahahahaha please god let this happen.
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@Billy-Tell said in RWC: Japan v Samoa (Pool A):
@voodoo said in RWC: Japan v Samoa (Pool A):
@Frank said in RWC: Japan v Samoa (Pool A):
So, for Ireland to top the pool, they must beat Samoa and Japan must lose to Scotland.
I think both will happen
Scotland will lose. They are a tier 2 country in tier 1 clothing. I don’t understand why people think they will beat japan. They have a rubbish pack and 2 good backs.
The funniest result though would be Samoa beating Ireland and Scotland beating japan. Japan and Scotland go through.
Good odds on offer for you then BT, sports bet have Japan paying $2.14 (v $1.71 ) against the Scots.
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This has become the interesting pool ,
And I thought beforehand the England, Frogs, argie one would be
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That would have been if Lavanini wasn't such a f**king goose.
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@akan004 said in RWC: Japan v Samoa (Pool A):
Ireland haven't brought that so far but they are more than capable of doing that. They did that in Dublin and we had no answers.
And that is my fear as well. Think France in 2007, especially when you factor in the ref's interpretations on the day.
Schmidt's criticism of Gardner was that he didn't let Ireland get away with what they usually do with many NH refs (e.g., being off feet for breakdown steals, offsides).
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Townsend having a whinge about the late scrum penalty against Samoa
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/49959867I thought at the time it was easily the crookedest feed I'd ever seen, so the penalty seemed entirely justified to me. Certainly not sure that I agree with Townsend when he says ""I think it's an incredible call to be honest. It's something that has not been refereed and there's been an agreement that there is more latitude for scrum-halves putting the ball in because you are the team that's won the scrum." Shouldn't coaches know the laws?
From the laws:
"The scrum-half chooses which side of the scrum to throw in the ball. (I had no idea this was an option!)
The scrum-half holds the ball as shown in the diagram.
When both sides are square, stable and stationary, the scrum-half throws in the ball:- From the chosen side.
- From outside the tunnel.
- Without delay.
- With a single forward movement.
- At a quick speed.
- Straight. The scrum-half may align their shoulder on the middle line of the scrum, thereby standing a shoulder-width closer to their side of the scrum.
*So that it first touches the ground inside the tunnel."
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@Disgusted-of-TW said in RWC: Japan v Samoa (Pool A):
Townsend having a whinge about the late scrum penalty against Samoa
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/49959867I thought at the time it was easily the crookedest feed I'd ever seen, so the penalty seemed entirely justified to me. Certainly not sure that I agree with Townsend when he says ""I think it's an incredible call to be honest. It's something that has not been refereed and there's been an agreement that there is more latitude for scrum-halves putting the ball in because you are the team that's won the scrum." Shouldn't coaches know the laws?
From the laws:
"The scrum-half chooses which side of the scrum to throw in the ball. (I had no idea this was an option!)
The scrum-half holds the ball as shown in the diagram.
When both sides are square, stable and stationary, the scrum-half throws in the ball:- From the chosen side.
- From outside the tunnel.
- Without delay.
- With a single forward movement.
- At a quick speed.
- Straight. The scrum-half may align their shoulder on the middle line of the scrum, thereby standing a shoulder-width closer to their side of the scrum.
*So that it first touches the ground inside the tunnel."
Running scared and getting his excuses in early.
Scotland was the beneficary of the short turn around at the last WC after Japan had beaten SA.
Now the boot is on the other foot.
Come on Japan.
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@Billy-Tell said in RWC: Japan v Samoa (Pool A):
The funniest result though would be Samoa beating Ireland and Scotland beating japan. Japan and Scotland go through.
That isn't even really a scenario though is it? That is just Ireland turned up to the RWC and lost to Japan and Samoa so didn't make the QFs.
Most of the funniest scenarios (three way tie on 15 points with Ireland being eliminated) are off the table with Ireland having a higher for and against than Japan.
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@MajorRage said in RWC: Japan v Samoa (Pool A):
Scotland to go through. I think the Japan run is over.
The Jocks aren't a bad team.
Oh they are.
You just don't want Japan to top the pool
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@MiketheSnow said in RWC: Japan v Samoa (Pool A):
@MajorRage said in RWC: Japan v Samoa (Pool A):
Scotland to go through. I think the Japan run is over.
The Jocks aren't a bad team.
Oh they are.
You just don't want Japan to top the pool
The latter part is absolutely correct, but not behind my thinking.
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I’m going to stake my reputation, my masculinity, my fortune...well maybe not my fortune...on japan handily despatching Scotland.
