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@Machpants said in Awesome stuff you see on the internet:
@jegga yeah I met him a while back, surprisingly not at all bitter about the shit way he was treated. Bloody farce
It's always our fault. You know that.
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@Snowy said in Awesome stuff you see on the internet:
@Machpants said in Awesome stuff you see on the internet:
@jegga yeah I met him a while back, surprisingly not at all bitter about the shit way he was treated. Bloody farce
It's always our fault. You know that.
Would you be happier with most of the time?
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@jegga said in Awesome stuff you see on the internet:
@Snowy said in Awesome stuff you see on the internet:
@Machpants said in Awesome stuff you see on the internet:
@jegga yeah I met him a while back, surprisingly not at all bitter about the shit way he was treated. Bloody farce
It's always our fault. You know that.
Would you be happier with most of the time?
Never, would be best, but can live with occasionally.
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@Snowy said in Awesome stuff you see on the internet:
@jegga said in Awesome stuff you see on the internet:
@Snowy said in Awesome stuff you see on the internet:
@Machpants said in Awesome stuff you see on the internet:
@jegga yeah I met him a while back, surprisingly not at all bitter about the shit way he was treated. Bloody farce
It's always our fault. You know that.
Would you be happier with most of the time?
Never, would be best, but can live with occasionally.
How many crashes have you had?
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If there's one thing Air Crash Investigation has taught me (and friends in CASA), it's always the pilot's fault.
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@antipodean said in Awesome stuff you see on the internet:
If there's one thing Air Crash Investigation has taught me (and friends in CASA), it's always the pilot's fault.
Did you see the one where they updated the air traffic controllers software and there was a stuff up ? Two planes collided mid air and the wreckage landed on a school for special needs kids . One of the planes was full of Russian kids on a school trip , the father of one of the kids tracked down the air traffic controller and stabbed him to death .
I don’t watch that show anymore.
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@jegga said in Awesome stuff you see on the internet:
@Snowy said in Awesome stuff you see on the internet:
@jegga said in Awesome stuff you see on the internet:
@Snowy said in Awesome stuff you see on the internet:
@Machpants said in Awesome stuff you see on the internet:
@jegga yeah I met him a while back, surprisingly not at all bitter about the shit way he was treated. Bloody farce
It's always our fault. You know that.
Would you be happier with most of the time?
Never, would be best, but can live with occasionally.
How many crashes have you had?
One. Single engine plane that had engine fire in PNG. Ended up spending the night in the bush with 3rd degree burns. They tried to blame that on me initially, then realised that single engine aeroplanes that don't have a functioning engine and are 20ft off the ground are going to crash. TBF I wasn't even suspended for that as they had about 300 witnesses that saw it happen / engine stop (and I was in hospital for weeks).
I have had 5 other engine failures / incidents over the next 20,000 flying hours where the default position was pilot error. None of them were, and were effectively blamed on engineering at the end. We are just the poor fluffybunnies that have to deal with every previous idiots mess. They start at the pilot and work backwards.
Watch "Sully" the movie. Pretty much how it works.
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@jegga said in Awesome stuff you see on the internet:
@antipodean said in Awesome stuff you see on the internet:
If there's one thing Air Crash Investigation has taught me (and friends in CASA), it's always the pilot's fault.
Did you see the one where they updated the air traffic controllers software and there was a stuff up ? Two planes collided mid air and the wreckage landed on a school for special needs kids . One of the planes was full of Russian kids on a school trip , the father of one of the kids tracked down the air traffic controller and stabbed him to death .
I don’t watch that show anymore.
Bloody hell.
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@Snowy said in Awesome stuff you see on the internet:
@jegga said in Awesome stuff you see on the internet:
@Snowy said in Awesome stuff you see on the internet:
@jegga said in Awesome stuff you see on the internet:
@Snowy said in Awesome stuff you see on the internet:
@Machpants said in Awesome stuff you see on the internet:
@jegga yeah I met him a while back, surprisingly not at all bitter about the shit way he was treated. Bloody farce
It's always our fault. You know that.
Would you be happier with most of the time?
Never, would be best, but can live with occasionally.
How many crashes have you had?
One. Single engine plane that had engine fire in PNG. Ended up spending the night in the bush with 3rd degree burns. They tried to blame that on me initially, then realised that single engine aeroplanes that don't have a functioning engine and are 20ft off the ground are going to crash. TBF I wasn't even suspended for that as they had about 300 witnesses that saw it happen / engine stop (and I was in hospital for weeks).
I have had 5 other engine failures / incidents over the next 20,000 flying hours where the default position was pilot error. None of them were, and were effectively blamed on engineering at the end. We are just the poor fluffybunnies that have to deal with every previous idiots mess. They start at the pilot and work backwards.
Watch "Sully" the movie. Pretty much how it works.
I’ve seen Sully , apparently they changed a lot about the inquiry after the crash for dramatic effect. Enjoyed it for what it was though . The one with Denzel Washington where he’s a coke addict and alcoholic pilot is entertaining too
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@Snowy said in Awesome stuff you see on the internet:
@jegga said in Awesome stuff you see on the internet:
@antipodean said in Awesome stuff you see on the internet:
If there's one thing Air Crash Investigation has taught me (and friends in CASA), it's always the pilot's fault.
Did you see the one where they updated the air traffic controllers software and there was a stuff up ? Two planes collided mid air and the wreckage landed on a school for special needs kids . One of the planes was full of Russian kids on a school trip , the father of one of the kids tracked down the air traffic controller and stabbed him to death .
I don’t watch that show anymore.
Bloody hell.
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@jegga said in Awesome stuff you see on the internet:
The one with Denzel Washington where he’s a coke addict and alcoholic pilot is entertaining too
Yeah, and complete fiction. I had people come and pull hair out for drug testing, alcohol tested, etc, all the time. There are incidents of guys getting caught but remarkably rare.
Sully did get accused of not heading for Teterboro, which was ludicrous, he could never have made it. I have tried in the sim, no chance. He also got bagged for not pushing the ditching push button, which is a bit of an error, but given the circumstances...
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@jegga said in Awesome stuff you see on the internet:
@Snowy said in Awesome stuff you see on the internet:
@jegga said in Awesome stuff you see on the internet:
@antipodean said in Awesome stuff you see on the internet:
If there's one thing Air Crash Investigation has taught me (and friends in CASA), it's always the pilot's fault.
Did you see the one where they updated the air traffic controllers software and there was a stuff up ? Two planes collided mid air and the wreckage landed on a school for special needs kids . One of the planes was full of Russian kids on a school trip , the father of one of the kids tracked down the air traffic controller and stabbed him to death .
I don’t watch that show anymore.
Bloody hell.
Ah, right. Know all about that one, was Euro control. Thought you meant it was over Russia.
They changed all of rules about the use of TCAS very quickly after that.
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It's changed a fair bit in the UK forces since then. Pilot error is not even an option anymore, it's called human factors now. A hawk piled into the ground when I was on 100 Sqn, pretty much pilot error but they were never blamed for it - though hard to be sure with the old hawk's black box. And couldn't interview the crew, sadly 😭
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@Snowy said in Awesome stuff you see on the internet:
@jegga said in Awesome stuff you see on the internet:
The one with Denzel Washington where he’s a coke addict and alcoholic pilot is entertaining too
Yeah, and complete fiction. I had people come and pull hair out for drug testing, alcohol tested, etc, all the time. There are incidents of guys getting caught but remarkably rare.
A few years ago I pinched a guy for high range drink driving who reckoned he was a 777 pilot for a major airline and was due to fly out in around 12 hours. From memory he was close to 4 times the legal limit. What are the rules for pilots? I am guessing they have to have zero alcohol, but are there any rules around fatigue. I can't see how this bloke was managing his fatigue being so hammered when he was. I'd hate to think he was my pilot.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Awesome stuff you see on the internet:
What are the rules for pilots?
Different in every country, which isn't very helpful. From memory Japan for example was zero detectable, Sri Lanka was no alcohol within 24 hours of sign on (which probably meant zero). Companies have their own rules too, we were no alcohol within 12 hours of sign on but with lots of caveats about amounts. Country rules were usually more restrictive.
Yes lots of rules around fatigue. Flight time limitations usually set by the regulatory body for the country of registration of the aircraft. So a ZK reg aircraft in NZ has the pilots duty limited by CAA. The airlines don't like a lot of those limits as it restricts scheduling and disruption recovery (due to a typhoon for example) but pilots usually have unions that protect them more than the state rules.
All of the above is a tribute to the lawyers that write the rules and usually so incredibly complex with "grey" areas everywhere.
Most pilots just err on the side of caution and don't drink for 24 hours+ before a duty. If you were down route that meant teetotal as the layovers aren't long enough for a beer even on long haul. The inside of an Indian prison for a year or two really doesn't appeal so abstinence was best.
Your guy was an idiot.
2002 Überlingen mid-air collision - Wikipedia
