Crusaders 2020
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@Stargazer said in Crusaders 2020:
@gt12 said in Crusaders 2020:
@chchfanatic said in Crusaders 2020:
@Cyclops really. I’m all for having the best team.
And some wonder why many on this board give Canterbury and Crusaders fans a hard time.
Since when do "those" ferners need a reason to give Canterbury and Crusaders fans a hard time?
Maybe they have longer memories than you?
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@Chris-B said in Crusaders 2020:
@Cyclops said in Crusaders 2020:
@chchfanatic sure. But I want the best Crusaders team and the best ABs team. If we parachute in an English tighthead then we block the development of an NZ option, and meaning we're down to 4 starting slots for the ABs to pick from.
Yeah - a few seasons ago it was pretty notable the number of tightheads playing Super rugby that were either ineligible for NZ or questionable.
Can't remember all of them but doubtless included some of Halanukunuku, Geldenhuys, Alaalatoa, Jager, Tamiefuna.
Pretty sure Tameifuna was still eligible for NZ while he was still here. He hadn't played for Tonga until he moved to France.
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@Yeetyaah said in Crusaders 2020:
Maybe Maro Itoje ?
As if the Crusaders didn't already have enough reasons to hate them.
We would be hated anyway.As you travel the world Plenty of people hate The All Blacks why success,Arrogrant Fans are the 2 main reasons you
hear.it seems success comes with that sort of reaction in the end it makes that team and its supporters stronger, tighter more determined to keep successful so it helps drive success.Which in the end helps the AB's One player from overseas, maybe our younger players in the Academy learn of him and we get stronger that way as well.
Good chat both ways but in the End Franchises what to win its going to happen more I think as it is in Mitre 10.
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@gt12 said in Crusaders 2020:
@Stargazer said in Crusaders 2020:
@gt12 said in Crusaders 2020:
@chchfanatic said in Crusaders 2020:
@Cyclops really. I’m all for having the best team.
And some wonder why many on this board give Canterbury and Crusaders fans a hard time.
Since when do "those" ferners need a reason to give Canterbury and Crusaders fans a hard time?
Maybe they have longer memories?
Need to let that go A few idiots don't judge everyone by a few.
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@Chris said in Crusaders 2020:
@gt12 said in Crusaders 2020:
@Stargazer said in Crusaders 2020:
@gt12 said in Crusaders 2020:
@chchfanatic said in Crusaders 2020:
@Cyclops really. I’m all for having the best team.
And some wonder why many on this board give Canterbury and Crusaders fans a hard time.
Since when do "those" ferners need a reason to give Canterbury and Crusaders fans a hard time?
Maybe they have longer memories?
Need to let that go A few idiots don't judge everyone by a few.
Yep, I’m not saying it’s true of all Cantabs at all.
Having said that, this smells like, (my guess) ‘we’re losing Sam Whitelock for a year, so why can’t we sign a similar replacement?’
In other words, we might not win, waaaaah.
The answer should be ‘develop your own local replacements or poach from the other provinces and super bases like you have been doing’.
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@Dice said in Crusaders 2020:
@Chris-B said in Crusaders 2020:
@Cyclops said in Crusaders 2020:
@chchfanatic sure. But I want the best Crusaders team and the best ABs team. If we parachute in an English tighthead then we block the development of an NZ option, and meaning we're down to 4 starting slots for the ABs to pick from.
Yeah - a few seasons ago it was pretty notable the number of tightheads playing Super rugby that were either ineligible for NZ or questionable.
Can't remember all of them but doubtless included some of Halanukunuku, Geldenhuys, Alaalatoa, Jager, Tamiefuna.
Pretty sure Tameifuna was still eligible for NZ while he was still here. He hadn't played for Tonga until he moved to France.
Yeah - I'm pretty sure at the time Halanukunuku and Geldenhuys were the matchday tightheads for the Highlanders and Alaalatoa was the bench tighthead for the Crusaders - plus potentially one more somewhere else (and a few in development positions like Jager) - so it was at least 3/10 possibly 4/10 playing spots occupied by "foreigners".
Too many.
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@gt12 said in Crusaders 2020:
@Chris said in Crusaders 2020:
@gt12 said in Crusaders 2020:
@Stargazer said in Crusaders 2020:
@gt12 said in Crusaders 2020:
@chchfanatic said in Crusaders 2020:
@Cyclops really. I’m all for having the best team.
And some wonder why many on this board give Canterbury and Crusaders fans a hard time.
Since when do "those" ferners need a reason to give Canterbury and Crusaders fans a hard time?
Maybe they have longer memories?
Need to let that go A few idiots don't judge everyone by a few.
Yep, I’m not saying it’s true of all Cantabs at all.
Having said that, this smells like, (my guess) ‘we’re losing Sam Whitelock for a year, so why can’t we sign a similar replacement?’
In other words, we might not win, waaaaah.
The answer should be ‘develop your own local replacements or poach from the other provinces and super bases like you have been doing’.
Maybe its just being smart and staying ahead of the Competition the poaching allegation can be aimed at all the franchises its the way of professional sport these days.
Why not get talent to the most successful franchise in SR History and create better players helps the ABs as well. -
@Chris said in Crusaders 2020:
Looks like these 28 players have signed for The Crusaders 20/20 as far as I can find out.A few Holes to fill if they haven't already
Taylor
Makalio
McAlisterJager
Moody
Alaalatoa
BowerBarrett S
Strange
Dunshea M
RomanoHarmon
Christie
Havili S
Roots
Blackadder
DouglasHall
Drummond
EnariMounga
CameronGoodhue
EnnorMataele
Reece
Fainga'anuku. L
BridgeJordan
Havili DUpdating the list based on Chchfanatic's intel. Need eight more.
A Saracen. A Fijian. Fetuli Paea on the wishlist.
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@Chris-B said in Crusaders 2020:
@Chris said in Crusaders 2020:
Looks like these 28 players have signed for The Crusaders 20/20 as far as I can find out.A few Holes to fill if they haven't already
Taylor
Makalio
McAlisterJager
Moody
Alaalatoa
BowerBarrett S
Strange
Dunshea M
RomanoHarmon
Christie
Havili S
Roots
Blackadder
DouglasHall
Drummond
EnariMounga
CameronGoodhue
EnnorMataele
Reece
Fainga'anuku. L
BridgeJordan
Havili DUpdating the list based on Chchfanatic's intel. Need eight more.
A Saracen. A Fijian. Fetuli Paea on the wishlist.
Looks like it Happy with McAlister and Havalli. Props and MF look like the crucial ones now.
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@Chris said in Crusaders 2020:
@gt12 said in Crusaders 2020:
@Chris said in Crusaders 2020:
@gt12 said in Crusaders 2020:
@Stargazer said in Crusaders 2020:
@gt12 said in Crusaders 2020:
@chchfanatic said in Crusaders 2020:
@Cyclops really. I’m all for having the best team.
And some wonder why many on this board give Canterbury and Crusaders fans a hard time.
Since when do "those" ferners need a reason to give Canterbury and Crusaders fans a hard time?
Maybe they have longer memories?
Need to let that go A few idiots don't judge everyone by a few.
Yep, I’m not saying it’s true of all Cantabs at all.
Having said that, this smells like, (my guess) ‘we’re losing Sam Whitelock for a year, so why can’t we sign a similar replacement?’
In other words, we might not win, waaaaah.
The answer should be ‘develop your own local replacements or poach from the other provinces and super bases like you have been doing’.
Maybe its just being smart and staying ahead of the Competition the poaching allegation can be aimed at all the franchises its the way of professional sport these days.
Why not get talent to the most successful franchise in SR History and create better players helps the ABs as well.All franchises should have a limit of foreigners (and proper PI players should be given preference) and if they want more they should fund them out of non NZR revenue. NZR should never pay the salary of a player from a competing tier 1 nation.
IMHO obviously.
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@Nepia said in Crusaders 2020:
@Chris said in Crusaders 2020:
@gt12 said in Crusaders 2020:
@Chris said in Crusaders 2020:
@gt12 said in Crusaders 2020:
@Stargazer said in Crusaders 2020:
@gt12 said in Crusaders 2020:
@chchfanatic said in Crusaders 2020:
@Cyclops really. I’m all for having the best team.
And some wonder why many on this board give Canterbury and Crusaders fans a hard time.
Since when do "those" ferners need a reason to give Canterbury and Crusaders fans a hard time?
Maybe they have longer memories?
Need to let that go A few idiots don't judge everyone by a few.
Yep, I’m not saying it’s true of all Cantabs at all.
Having said that, this smells like, (my guess) ‘we’re losing Sam Whitelock for a year, so why can’t we sign a similar replacement?’
In other words, we might not win, waaaaah.
The answer should be ‘develop your own local replacements or poach from the other provinces and super bases like you have been doing’.
Maybe its just being smart and staying ahead of the Competition the poaching allegation can be aimed at all the franchises its the way of professional sport these days.
Why not get talent to the most successful franchise in SR History and create better players helps the ABs as well.All franchises should have a limit of foreigners (and proper PI players should be given preference) and if they want more they should fund them out of non NZR revenue. NZR should never pay the salary of a player from a competing tier 1 nation.
IMHO obviously.
Yeah I think thats a fair call on the funding.
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@Nepia said in Crusaders 2020:
@Chris said in Crusaders 2020:
@gt12 said in Crusaders 2020:
@Chris said in Crusaders 2020:
@gt12 said in Crusaders 2020:
@Stargazer said in Crusaders 2020:
@gt12 said in Crusaders 2020:
@chchfanatic said in Crusaders 2020:
@Cyclops really. I’m all for having the best team.
And some wonder why many on this board give Canterbury and Crusaders fans a hard time.
Since when do "those" ferners need a reason to give Canterbury and Crusaders fans a hard time?
Maybe they have longer memories?
Need to let that go A few idiots don't judge everyone by a few.
Yep, I’m not saying it’s true of all Cantabs at all.
Having said that, this smells like, (my guess) ‘we’re losing Sam Whitelock for a year, so why can’t we sign a similar replacement?’
In other words, we might not win, waaaaah.
The answer should be ‘develop your own local replacements or poach from the other provinces and super bases like you have been doing’.
Maybe its just being smart and staying ahead of the Competition the poaching allegation can be aimed at all the franchises its the way of professional sport these days.
Why not get talent to the most successful franchise in SR History and create better players helps the ABs as well.All franchises should have a limit of foreigners (and proper PI players should be given preference) and if they want more they should fund them out of non NZR revenue. NZR should never pay the salary of a player from a competing tier 1 nation.
IMHO obviously.
I'd prefer an NZR approval process where you have to show a lack of genuine alternatives, a benefit to wider NZR (eg a super experienced squady that will help develop younger players, or signing for both super rugby and NPC), or strong connection to NZ (this will generally be the PI players). Number of foreign players already at that side and at that position nationally also a factor. Otherwise we risk these becoming 'visa spots' and teams using them strategically. In a perfect world, every NZ based super rugby player is NZ eligible.
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@Cyclops said in Crusaders 2020:
I'd prefer an NZR approval process where you have to show a lack of genuine alternatives,
I think this is already in place as I believe the Highlanders had to go through that process for signing James Haskell.
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@Chris said in Crusaders 2020:
@gt12 said in Crusaders 2020:
@Chris said in Crusaders 2020:
@gt12 said in Crusaders 2020:
@Stargazer said in Crusaders 2020:
@gt12 said in Crusaders 2020:
@chchfanatic said in Crusaders 2020:
@Cyclops really. I’m all for having the best team.
And some wonder why many on this board give Canterbury and Crusaders fans a hard time.
Since when do "those" ferners need a reason to give Canterbury and Crusaders fans a hard time?
Maybe they have longer memories?
Need to let that go A few idiots don't judge everyone by a few.
Yep, I’m not saying it’s true of all Cantabs at all.
Having said that, this smells like, (my guess) ‘we’re losing Sam Whitelock for a year, so why can’t we sign a similar replacement?’
In other words, we might not win, waaaaah.
The answer should be ‘develop your own local replacements or poach from the other provinces and super bases like you have been doing’.
Maybe its just being smart and staying ahead of the Competition the poaching allegation can be aimed at all the franchises its the way of professional sport these days.
Why not get talent to the most successful franchise in SR History and create better players helps the ABs as well.The poaching comment should have had a fishing pole beside it. I have no problem with how the Saders recruit any NZ eligible player and I understand why ppl would go there.
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@gt12 said in Crusaders 2020:
@Chris said in Crusaders 2020:
@gt12 said in Crusaders 2020:
@Chris said in Crusaders 2020:
@gt12 said in Crusaders 2020:
@Stargazer said in Crusaders 2020:
@gt12 said in Crusaders 2020:
@chchfanatic said in Crusaders 2020:
@Cyclops really. I’m all for having the best team.
And some wonder why many on this board give Canterbury and Crusaders fans a hard time.
Since when do "those" ferners need a reason to give Canterbury and Crusaders fans a hard time?
Maybe they have longer memories?
Need to let that go A few idiots don't judge everyone by a few.
Yep, I’m not saying it’s true of all Cantabs at all.
Having said that, this smells like, (my guess) ‘we’re losing Sam Whitelock for a year, so why can’t we sign a similar replacement?’
In other words, we might not win, waaaaah.
The answer should be ‘develop your own local replacements or poach from the other provinces and super bases like you have been doing’.
Maybe its just being smart and staying ahead of the Competition the poaching allegation can be aimed at all the franchises its the way of professional sport these days.
Why not get talent to the most successful franchise in SR History and create better players helps the ABs as well.The poaching comment should have had a fishing pole beside it. I have no problem with how the Saders recruit any NZ eligible player and I understand why ppl would go there.
Fair enough I took it hook line and sinker
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@Stargazer said in Crusaders 2020:
@Chris Another 10, too. Esp because Cameron is terrible.
Agree hes a major worry if Mounga goes down injured
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@gt12 said in Crusaders 2020:
@Chris said in Crusaders 2020:
@gt12 said in Crusaders 2020:
@Stargazer said in Crusaders 2020:
@gt12 said in Crusaders 2020:
@chchfanatic said in Crusaders 2020:
@Cyclops really. I’m all for having the best team.
And some wonder why many on this board give Canterbury and Crusaders fans a hard time.
Since when do "those" ferners need a reason to give Canterbury and Crusaders fans a hard time?
Maybe they have longer memories?
Need to let that go A few idiots don't judge everyone by a few.
Yep, I’m not saying it’s true of all Cantabs at all.
Having said that, this smells like, (my guess) ‘we’re losing Sam Whitelock for a year, so why can’t we sign a similar replacement?’
In other words, we might not win, waaaaah.
The answer should be ‘develop your own local replacements or poach from the other provinces and super bases like you have been doing’.
You could almost apply this situation in reverse too. The Hurricanes have JGB and could argue that every other Super Rugby team should be forced to find room for an equivalent player of his quality in their squad!
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@Higgins said in Crusaders 2020:
@gt12 said in Crusaders 2020:
@Chris said in Crusaders 2020:
@gt12 said in Crusaders 2020:
@Stargazer said in Crusaders 2020:
@gt12 said in Crusaders 2020:
@chchfanatic said in Crusaders 2020:
@Cyclops really. I’m all for having the best team.
And some wonder why many on this board give Canterbury and Crusaders fans a hard time.
Since when do "those" ferners need a reason to give Canterbury and Crusaders fans a hard time?
Maybe they have longer memories?
Need to let that go A few idiots don't judge everyone by a few.
Yep, I’m not saying it’s true of all Cantabs at all.
Having said that, this smells like, (my guess) ‘we’re losing Sam Whitelock for a year, so why can’t we sign a similar replacement?’
In other words, we might not win, waaaaah.
The answer should be ‘develop your own local replacements or poach from the other provinces and super bases like you have been doing’.
You could almost apply this situation in reverse too. The Hurricanes have JGB and could argue that every other Super Rugby team should be forced to find room for an equivalent player of his quality in their squad!
WOW hopefully not anyway we have one maybe a worse player Brett Cameron so we are doing our bit for your theory.
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@Chris said in Crusaders 2020:
@Stargazer said in Crusaders 2020:
@Chris Another 10, too. Esp because Cameron is terrible.
Agree hes a major worry if Mounga goes down injured
I'm pretty surprised the Crusaders let Mitch Hunt escape south. Mitch probably isn't the greatest first five to play the game, but as a second string Super first-five he's pretty decent.
I'll be interested to see who they replace him with.
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