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    Not that cheery

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=12254979&ref=rss

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    https://www2.deloitte.com/nz/en/pages/consumer-business/articles/state-of-the-unions.html

    I didn't see this get posted earlier this year - so something for a quiet time.

    A good financial year for especially BoP and Ta$man.

    Not so good for Taranaki, Canterbury, Wellington and North Harbour.

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    @Chris-B said in Deloitte State of Unions Report:

    https://www2.deloitte.com/nz/en/pages/consumer-business/articles/state-of-the-unions.html

    I didn't see this get posted earlier this year - so something for a quiet time.

    A good financial year for especially BoP and Ta$man.

    Not so good for Taranaki, Canterbury, Wellington and North Harbour.

    It was posted, there just wasn't much talk about it

    Merged with the old thread

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    @Chris-B said in Deloitte State of Unions Report:

    A good financial year for especially BoP and Ta$man.

    Hell, yes. Especially BOP - not sure what they're doing, but doing it really well. Others could emulate that

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    @nzzp said in Deloitte State of Unions Report:

    @Chris-B said in Deloitte State of Unions Report:

    A good financial year for especially BoP and Ta$man.

    Hell, yes. Especially BOP - not sure what they're doing, but doing it really well. Others could emulate that

    So Ta$man got a test match, meaning they got a nice surplus, which they then spent on recruitment and stacked their team.

    So good on them for managing the situation well but how is that not a huge advantage over other unions that didn't get a test?

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    @Crucial said in Deloitte State of Unions Report:

    @nzzp said in Deloitte State of Unions Report:

    @Chris-B said in Deloitte State of Unions Report:

    A good financial year for especially BoP and Ta$man.

    Hell, yes. Especially BOP - not sure what they're doing, but doing it really well. Others could emulate that

    So Ta$man got a test match, meaning they got a nice surplus, which they then spent on recruitment and stacked their team.

    So good on them for managing the situation well but how is that not a huge advantage over other unions that didn't get a test?

    No - the jump in spending in the Team and Match Related Costs will relate to the additional costs of hosting the Test match.

    If you look at the same budget line for 2017, Ta$man has the 4th lowest Team and match costs and the key personnel didn't change much. We made the final in 2017 (and 2016).

    We built a good team over a long period of time - made up of a combination of Ta$man players and other people's discards.

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    There was a considerable boost to the working capital for Ta$man at the end of 2018 based on the net test revenue. The key to this argument is the spending on team in 2019.

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    @Crucial Yes - but, I'm prepared to bet that the team costs will remain relatively low compared to other NPC teams, because the key personnel haven't changed much.

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    And to demonstrate that point - here's the team that played the final - I've bolded the guys who weren't in the (low paid) squad in 2017.

    Perry, Makalio, Lomax
    Strange, Parkinson
    Squire, Taufua, Havili
    Christie, Hunt
    Nankivell, Aumua
    Jordan, Faingaanuku, Havili

    Salmon, Roach, Crockett, Cirikidaveta, Norris, Keisuke, O'Malley, Paea.

    Lomax is a good pick-up from Australia - but, on the other hand we've lost Hames and Halanukunuku, so I doubt he's more expensive than them.

    Havili was not required by Auckland in 2018 and Big Leicester was recruited from Nelson College.

    Norris and Paea were promoted from Ta$man club rugby - I think Cirikadveta as well.

    Crockett has returned to his hometown and has bought a sports shop.

    Which leaves international recruits Roach and Keisuke. I doubt we've broken the bank on the reserves bench.

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    @Chris-B said in Deloitte State of Unions Report:

    And to demonstrate that point - here's the team that played the final - I've bolded the guys who weren't in the (low paid) squad in 2017.

    Perry, Makalio, Lomax
    Strange, Parkinson
    Squire, Taufua, Havili
    Christie, Hunt
    Nankivell, Aumua
    Jordan, Faingaanuku, Havili

    Salmon, Roach, Crockett, Cirikidaveta, Norris, Keisuke, O'Malley, Paea.

    Lomax is a good pick-up from Australia - but, on the other hand we've lost Hames and Halanukunuku, so I doubt he's more expensive than them.

    Havili was not required by Auckland in 2018 and Big Leicester was recruited from Nelson College.

    Norris and Paea were promoted from Ta$man club rugby - I think Cirikadveta as well.

    Crockett has returned to his hometown and has bought a sports shop.

    Which leaves international recruits Roach and Keisuke. I doubt we've broken the bank on the reserves bench.

    Fair enough. But what was the cost increase 16 to 17? They ran to a very low profit in 17 knowing they had a windfall in the pipeline.

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    @Crucial I think the relevant budget line is the Team and Match-related costs. Ta$man has always had low figures there.

    And to check...2016 Ta$man (1.954 million - 11th highest). Lost the final to Canterbury (4.451 million - highest!).

    One would hope Canterbury had some significant test match hosting expenses that year! 🙂

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    Ta$man Storm

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    @Chris-B said in Deloitte State of Unions Report:

    @Crucial I think the relevant budget line is the Team and Match-related costs. Ta$man has always had low figures there.

    It went from $2m to $3.5 m in one year!

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    @Crucial Which, as noted, will be the costs of hosting the test match - mainly installing the temporary seating.

    I'd imagine Canterbury has similar costs when they host tests.

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    @Chris-B said in Deloitte State of Unions Report:

    @Crucial Which, as noted, will be the costs of hosting the test match - mainly installing the temporary seating.

    I'd imagine Canterbury has similar costs when they host tests.

    We can't see the figures on that but I doubt it would be 1.5m . That would be $70 per person spend for that one game where 3,000 seats were added.

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    @mariner4life said in Deloitte State of Unions Report:

    Ta$man Storm

    We'll all anxiously await the 2020 report to see whether Ta$man won the title on a shoe-string... 🙂

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    @Crucial Probably quite a few other additional expenses.

    But that explanation makes a lot more sense than that we increased the player budget by $1.5 million without recruiting anyone big.

    https://www.mako.nz/news/2017-Mako$-squad

    Here's the 2017 squad - significant players who've been shed include Halonukunuku, Kane Hames, Alex Ainley (captain), Pete Samu and James Lowe.

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    @Chris-B said in Deloitte State of Unions Report:

    @mariner4life said in Deloitte State of Unions Report:

    Ta$man Storm

    We'll all anxiously await the 2020 report to see whether Ta$man won the title on a shoe-string... 🙂

    which set of books will you be providing?

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    @mariner4life We're from Nelson - we only have one set of books!!!

    We have come out on top due to brains and skill - the NPC All Blacks to your NPC Englands! 🙂

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