All time Super Rugby XV (all teams)
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Post your ultimate Super Rugby XV, can be any player, any year, any club.
- Os Du Randt (Cheetahs/Cats/Bulls)
- John Smit (Sharks)
- Owen Franks (Crusaders)
- Brodie Rettalick (Chiefs)
- Victor Matfield (Bulls/Cats)
- Jerry Collins (Hurricanes)
- Richie McCaw (Crusaders)
- Pierres Spies (Bulls)
- Joost van der Westhuizen (Bulls)
- Daniel Carter (Crusaders)
- Jonah Lomu (Hurricanes/Blues/Chiefs)
- Ma'a Nonu (Hurricanes/Blues/Highlanders)
- Stirling Mortlock (Brumbies/Rebels)
- Rupeni Caucaunibuca (Blues)
- Christian Cullen (Hurricanes)
Reserves:
16. Dane Coles (Hurricanes)
17. Tony Woodcock (Blues)
18. Tendai Mtawarira (Sharks)
19. Brad Thorn (Crusaders)
20. George Smith (Brumbies/Reds)
21. Will Genia (Reds/Rebels)
22. Stephen Larkham (Brumbies)
23. Beauden Barrett (Hurricanes) -
Spies as the best no 8? And Mortlock was rather limited as a player. Also a bit of a cock.
I'd swap in Duane Vermeulen and either Jaque Fourie or Tana at centre.
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@antipodean Mortlock limited? The guy was a massive presence in any side he played for. See I think Mortlock did alot more in his Super career than Fourie, I would have De Villiers before him aswell. And for Spies, when he was on form there was no one better IMO, massive reason why the Bulls have won three titles.
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@Canes4life I'm not sure Dan Carter actually warrants selection in an all time Super team. All time ABs, sure - but I'm doubtful about Super.
He only played in two championship winning Crusaders teams - and through the Blackadder era, I think a lot of the Crusaders' All Blacks played within themselves for most of the season and then tried to finish over the top of everyone - playing away from home. A strategy that didn't work.
Dan pretty much admitted as much in his book.
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this should be loaded with early Blues, a couple of different Crusader iterations, and that great Brumbie side
Joe Roff, for instance, should walk in.
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@Canes4life said in All time Super Rugby XV (all teams):
@antipodean Mortlock limited? The guy was a massive presence in any side he played for. See I think Mortlock did alot more in his Super career than Fourie, I would have De Villiers before him aswell. And for Spies, when he was on form there was no one better IMO, massive reason why the Bulls have won three titles.
Oh, you're being serious? I thought this was a carry on from you saying Ardie over Superman.
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@antipodean said in All time Super Rugby XV (all teams):
@Canes4life said in All time Super Rugby XV (all teams):
@antipodean Mortlock limited? The guy was a massive presence in any side he played for. See I think Mortlock did alot more in his Super career than Fourie, I would have De Villiers before him aswell. And for Spies, when he was on form there was no one better IMO, massive reason why the Bulls have won three titles.
Oh, you're being serious? I thought this was a carry on from you saying Ardie over Superman.
Superman sucked on Krypton. He needed a change of planet to get the best out of him. When he started out , didn't look interested, didn't save any humans, was a general disappoint. Ardie is way better
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@nzzp said in All time Super Rugby XV (all teams):
@antipodean said in All time Super Rugby XV (all teams):
@Canes4life said in All time Super Rugby XV (all teams):
@antipodean Mortlock limited? The guy was a massive presence in any side he played for. See I think Mortlock did alot more in his Super career than Fourie, I would have De Villiers before him aswell. And for Spies, when he was on form there was no one better IMO, massive reason why the Bulls have won three titles.
Oh, you're being serious? I thought this was a carry on from you saying Ardie over Superman.
Superman sucked on Krypton. He needed a change of planet to get the best out of him. When he started out , didn't look interested, didn't save any humans, was a general disappoint. Ardie is way better
With the cancellation of the conference system there's no games on Krypton this season.
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@antipodean no no no not Ardie over Superman, Ardie is Superman. 😁
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@Canes4life said in All time Super Rugby XV (all teams):
Post your ultimate Super Rugby XV, can be any player, any year, any club.
- Os Du Randt (Cheetahs/Cats/Bulls)
- John Smit (Sharks)
- Owen Franks (Crusaders)
- Brodie Rettalick (Chiefs)
- Victor Matfield (Bulls/Cats)
- Jerry Collins (Hurricanes)
- Richie McCaw (Crusaders)
- Pierres Spies (Bulls)
- Joost van der Westhuizen (Bulls)
- Daniel Carter (Crusaders)
- Jonah Lomu (Hurricanes/Blues/Chiefs)
- Ma'a Nonu (Hurricanes/Blues/Highlanders)
- Stirling Mortlock (Brumbies/Rebels)
- Rupeni Caucaunibuca (Blues)
- Christian Cullen (Hurricanes)
Reserves:
16. Dane Coles (Hurricanes)
17. Tony Woodcock (Blues)
18. Tendai Mtawarira (Sharks)
19. Brad Thorn (Crusaders)
20. George Smith (Brumbies/Reds)
21. Will Genia (Reds/Rebels)
22. Stephen Larkham (Brumbies)
23. Beauden Barrett (Hurricanes)Two LHP on the bench is questionable.
Olo Brown was a much more impressive THP than Owen Franks IMO.
I'd go with Bakkies Botha on the bench : did Brad Thorn left an indelible mark for the Crusaders ? -
Folau and not Cullen ? Hmmm.
Zinzan Brooke was heads and shoulders above the rest during the nineties. Best Nr.8 IMO.
Carter was the best 10 ever but not in Super Rugby. The most brilliant was Carlos Spencer. He gets my vote with Stephen Larkham bubbling under. -
@cgrant said in All time Super Rugby XV (all teams):
Folau and not Cullen ? Hmmm.
Zinzan Brooke was heads and shoulders above the rest during the nineties. Best Nr.8 IMO.
Carter was the best 10 ever but not in Super Rugby. The most brilliant was Carlos Spencer. He gets my vote with Stephen Larkham bubbling under.Bottom line for me is winning trophies.
I'm massive Cullen fan, let me explain my reasonsing for not choosing him at 15. Israel Folau was the Waratahs best player when they won the trophy in 2014. Cullen was never part of a team that won the title. Folau's 60 tries in 96 games is the record in Super Rugby and by far the best of his era.
Carter is the record point scorer in Super Rugby. He had a much better defensive game than Carlos Spencer. Carlos was 2nd choice goal kicker to Adrian Cashmore at the Blues in the 1990s.
Kieran Read won the Super Title four times and played in two other finals. In his 12 Super seasons, the Crusaders made the Semi Finals 10 times, an astonishing record that is unlikely to be ever matched.
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If you want the backline that scored the most tries this is it.
15- Israel Folau (60)
14- Doug Howlett (59)
11 - Caleb Ralph (58)
13 - Stirling Mortlock (56)
12 - Ma'a Nonu (56)
10 - Beauden Barrett (34) ?-not 100% on this.
9 - TJ Perenara (55)I couldn't find the records for forwards but Scott Higginbotham is the only forward on Wiki with 41.
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@sparky said in All time Super Rugby XV (all teams):
@cgrant said in All time Super Rugby XV (all teams):
Folau and not Cullen ? Hmmm.
Zinzan Brooke was heads and shoulders above the rest during the nineties. Best Nr.8 IMO.
Carter was the best 10 ever but not in Super Rugby. The most brilliant was Carlos Spencer. He gets my vote with Stephen Larkham bubbling under.Bottom line for me is winning trophies.
Based on that you would select Fourie du Preez or Marshall ahead of Gregan.
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@Bovidae said in All time Super Rugby XV (all teams):
@sparky said in All time Super Rugby XV (all teams):
@cgrant said in All time Super Rugby XV (all teams):
Folau and not Cullen ? Hmmm.
Zinzan Brooke was heads and shoulders above the rest during the nineties. Best Nr.8 IMO.
Carter was the best 10 ever but not in Super Rugby. The most brilliant was Carlos Spencer. He gets my vote with Stephen Larkham bubbling under.Bottom line for me is winning trophies.
Based on that you would select Fourie du Preez or Marshall ahead of Gregan.
And cashmore or MacDonald at 15
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@Bones said in All time Super Rugby XV (all teams):
Yeah this "so and so won X number of titles" is a bit weird as an overriding factor.
Surely it's harder to score tries, etc, if your team isn't a title winner?
Hey look the Highlanders have arrived
