Hurricanes v Blues
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@foobaNZ said in Hurricanes v Blues:
Is Aso injured? Surely he at least makes the bench over Proctor?
They mus thave had a different person writing the media release, last week, because they included an injury update. The first and only time they've done that. Now back to normal without any info.
Jason Holland used to be responsible for the Hurricanes U18 (maybe also U20?) and was renowned for odd selections. Usually, with a huge Wellington bias. I guess he only watched/watches Wellington 1st XV and club rugby. Anyway, I think that's how guys like Billy Proctor, Peter U-J (and in the past, TJ Va'a) got signed and why they get selected over players like Aso, Lowe and Toala.
I assume Lowe will be without a contract next year and that that's why he doesn't get any opportunity. He's been playing since club rugby started in Hawke's Bay. Going by what Danny Toala posted on his instagram, he has been injured and last Saturday was his first game for his club, but he should be good to go for the Canes. Vince Aso is quite injury prone, but not sure whether he's injured.
I'd have picked Flanders over both Prinsep and Fifita.
Man, the Canes are such a frustrating team to support.
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@Stargazer Well done Blues for your win on Saturday...not going to win anything with Princeep and JGB starting.
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@Stargazer said in Hurricanes v Blues:
Peter U-J
Looked like a handy player when I've seen him play.
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@Stargazer ain't that the truth, at least we've won one title!
I do rate PUJ - think he should be in the 23 each week. Way too good to be playing club footy for Wainui each week.
Toala should be in over B Proctor every day of the week
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Garden-Bachop replacing Smith...seriously, smith played well...hard to grow into a role when you dont get more than one at a time
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@Crucial said in Hurricanes v Blues:
@Tim said in Hurricanes v Blues:
@mikey07 Won't Barrett go into 10?
Is that what the Canes are hoping for?
Beauden to take pity on them not having a decker option and swapping jerseys to even the game up?I think that is referring to Jordie
Perenara went to 10 second half last wk.
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@Machpants said in Hurricanes v Blues:
@Tim said in Hurricanes v Blues:
@mikey07 Won't Barrett go into 10?
Every game so far TJ has gone to ten late game
Oh wrong ABs 10 playing at 15 Barrett
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@Stargazer PUJ has performed strongly every time he's donned the Canes jersey and he's a far stronger option than the limited Lowe who is forever on the injury list.
@Stargazer said in Hurricanes v Blues:
I assume Lowe will be without a contract next year and that that's why he doesn't get any opportunity.
No, the reason he doesn't get opportunities is that he's always injured. Stop using this Wellington bias thing as a reason for HB player non-selection. It's a load of tripe.
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@Canes4life Lowe has played club rugby for weeks, now. He recovered from his injury more than a month ago (it could be longer).
PU-J has had his own injury issues, by the way. PU-J and Lowe aren't necessarily competing for the same spot(s) in the line-up. -
@Stargazer I'm not sure where you're going with your argument. First you're talking about Wellington bias in saying the reason why players like Proctor / PUJ get selected over Aso, Lowe and Toala is because the coaches watch more Wellington rugby. What a load of crap.
Firstly, Aso has played a tone more than any of those Wellington players. Lowe is just a bit average to me and he hasn't shown anything that screams 'pick me' / also he's made of glass. While Toala I'm sure will get his shot at some point, he's still only 20 isn't he?
If the Hurricanes are so bias towards Wellington players, why wasn't the likes of Teariki Ben Nicholas / Connor Garden Bachop signed after performing well in the ITM Cup? Why has Wes Goosen lost the right wing spot to Van Wyk? Why does PUJ keep dropping out of the 23 when Aso is available, why is Fifita on the bench behind Prinsep? I can't see any of the Wellington bias that you HB fans keep harping on about.
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How can you say Lowe is average if he has hardly played in the Canes jersey*? He has been excellent for the Bay, but simply hasn't been given opportunities to play at SR level in yellow and black. He has been injured a lot, yes, but even when recovered, they don't select him. He's known to be a hard trainer, was and is super fit (won Surf to Peak) etc.
[* He has played 69 minutes spread over 3 seasons for the Canes (He got 11 minutes off the bench in 2018; 18 minutes off the bench and 40 minutes from an unexpected start (due to the player named to start dropping out) in 2019. Injured pre-covid, but available for SRA.]
PS. My bias argument had more to do with Holland's history with the Hurricanes age-grade teams. I should indeed have left Aso out of that. It was more an illustration of Holland's limited selection capabilities than anything else.
