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  • CrucialC Offline
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    This was on BBC. Some of it old news but the very last bit intrigues me

    New law trials to be introduced
    World Rugby also announced five welfare-based law trials would be adopted globally on 1 August.
    They include 50:22, where if a team can kick from within their own half and get the ball to bounce inside their opponents' 22 then into touch, the kicking team will get the put-in at the line-out.
    This has already been tested in Super Rugby AU and is designed to create more space in the field as players drop back to prevent the opposition using this tactic.
    Other trials and amendments are goal-line drop-out, pre-bound pods of players, tightening the law relating to latching and sanctioning the lower limb clear-out.

    Anyone know any more?

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    Here we are....

    Welfare-focused breakdown law amendments approved for global trial

    Pre-bound pods of players: Outlawing the practice of pods of three or more players being pre-bound prior to receiving the ball – the sanction will be a penalty kick.
    Sanctioning the lower limb clear-out: Penalising players who target/drop their weight onto the lower limbs of a jackler – the sanction will be a penalty kick.
    Tightening law relating to latching: One-player latch to be permitted, but this player has the same responsibilities as a first arriving player (i.e. must stay on feet, enter through the gate and not fall to the floor) – the sanction will be a penalty kick

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    is 50:22 actually that hard to do? surely 40-22 or even make it a real challenge 22-22

    im skeptical of the idea more open field is a welfare benefit, i think more open play is more likely to result in bombs leading to competitions in the air or kick returns getting a full head of speed before running into a front rower

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    @crucial said in Law trials and changes:

    Pre-bound pods of players: Outlawing the practice of pods of three or more players being pre-bound prior to receiving the ball – the sanction will be a penalty kick.

    Why? As long as the two bound players aren't in front of the ball receiver/ carrier, what's the problem?

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    @antipodean said in Law trials and changes:

    @crucial said in Law trials and changes:

    Pre-bound pods of players: Outlawing the practice of pods of three or more players being pre-bound prior to receiving the ball – the sanction will be a penalty kick.

    Why? As long as the two bound players aren't in front of the ball receiver/ carrier, what's the problem?

    yeah, not sure i get this one either, have pods like that lead to injuries?

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    @kiwiwomble said in Law trials and changes:

    @antipodean said in Law trials and changes:

    @crucial said in Law trials and changes:

    Pre-bound pods of players: Outlawing the practice of pods of three or more players being pre-bound prior to receiving the ball – the sanction will be a penalty kick.

    Why? As long as the two bound players aren't in front of the ball receiver/ carrier, what's the problem?

    yeah, not sure i get this one either, have pods like that lead to injuries?

    My reading is that the old flying wedge law was too specific. This makes it easier the rule in.

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    There is a game with less scrums and kick out from the goal line,and it’s league.Some of rugbys differences are being eroded .It’s not less scrums we need but quicker ,much too long taken since the referees have taken over setting them.

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  • StargazerS Offline
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    I always go to the source: World Rugby. First hand info is better than second or third.

    Welfare-focused rugby law trials to be implemented globally

    World Rugby has announced welfare-focused initiatives within a package of law amendments that will be trialled globally in competitions that start after 1 August, 2021, reflecting the sport’s ongoing commitment to injury reduction at all levels.

    Supporting the priority mission of head impact reduction and in line with the international federation’s six-point welfare action plan announced today, four of the five trials that will be implemented have an underlying focus on potential welfare advancements across the game.

    The trials include two that have been operational in pilot trial environments – the goal-line drop out, which has been seen in Super Rugby Trans- Ta$man and the Rainbow Cup – and the 50:22, which was most recently operational in Super Rugby AU. Both have the potential to increase space and decrease defensive line speed, which in turn could have welfare benefits.

    Three trials focus specifically on reducing injury risk at the breakdown following detailed evaluation by a specialist Breakdown Working Group***. The first will see the introduction of sanctioning of clear-outs which target the lower limbs. The second will outlaw the practice of multi-player (three or more) pre-bound pods. The third area will tighten the definition of what is permissible in the practice of one-player latching.

    View the education materials here >>

    After a global trial period of one year, laws that are deemed successful in meeting the objective of increasing safety while enhancing the spectacle will be tabled for Council to determine whether they are adopted into law at its May 2022 meeting, a full year ahead of Rugby World Cup 2023 in France.


    Welfare-focused law trials approved for global trial

    • 50:22: This law trial is intended to create space via a tactical choice for players to drop out of the defensive line in order to prevent their opponents from kicking for touch, reducing impact of defensive line speed – operational in Super Rugby AU
    • Goal-line drop out: This law trial is intended to reduce the number of scrums, reward good defence, encourage counter-attacking and increase the rate of ball in play – operational in Super Rugby AU, Super Rugby Aotearoa, Super Rugby Trans- Ta$man and the Rainbow Cup

    Welfare-focused breakdown law amendments approved for global trial

    • Pre-bound pods of players: Outlawing the practice of pods of three or more players being pre-bound prior to receiving the ball – the sanction will be a penalty kick
    • Sanctioning the lower limb clear-out: Penalising players who target/drop their weight onto the lower limbs of a jackler – the sanction will be a penalty kick
    • Tightening law relating to latching: One-player latch to be permitted, but this player has the same responsibilities as a first arriving player (i.e. must stay on feet, enter through gate and not fall to floor) – the sanction will be a penalty kick

    Sevens law trials

    • The Group approved a two-year extension of the trial whereby a team may nominate and use up to five replacements (this is in addition to substitutions to cover HIA, blood, injury or foul play incidents). The substitutions can be made on a rolling basis. In the event of extra-time, a sixth replacement can also be utilised
    • The Group recommended to Council that in-goal assistant referees will no longer be permitted where there is a TMO present at a competition

    In addition, the Executive Committee has endorsed a package of community law variations that aim to benefit welfare and accessibility. Recommended to Council for consideration in November, they aim to provide unions with law flexibility at a community level, including weight-banded matches, reduced tackle height and limitations to scrum and lineouts.

    This is from that "education material" page:

    Flying wedge

    The trial
    To sanction the three person pre-bound mini-scrum by redefining the flying wedge.

    Primary intention
    To reduce number of events where the ball carrier and multiple support players are in contact (latched) prior to contact, and to protect the tackler who can be faced with the combined force of three opposing players.

    Links to law
    New definition of ‘latched’
    Amended definition of ‘flying wedge’
    Deletion of definition of ‘cavalry charge’
    Law 9.22

    Followed by video examples etc etc

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  • KiwiwombleK Offline
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    @trodthesod id also say less reasons for penalties, let teams come up with ways to defend things like pods rather than banning them, realise a dominant scrum having super front foot ball and the scrum that just been beaten being on the ground and therefor out of the game is enough reward...dont stop it for a penalty

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    @trodthesod said in Law trials and changes:

    There is a game with less scrums and kick out from the goal line,and it’s league.Some of rugbys differences are being eroded .It’s not less scrums we need but quicker ,much too long taken since the referees have taken over setting them.

    I'm not laying that one on the refs, who are under "safety directions"

    professional scrum coaches, and the evolution of the scrum from a restart to a way to generate penalties are the scourge

    Maybe the free-kick for scrum infringements was the right idea? But i'm not really 100% on board with that after the 77th minute last night, that scrum was awesome and deserved winning the game. Perhaps we need to change the mindset to one of "deserved teh chance to win the game"

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    @mariner4life do we think having a super dominant scrum deserves the right to direct points? the scrum is just a competition for the ball, surely winning the ball is the most you can expect from just winning the scrum

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    @kiwiwomble said in Law trials and changes:

    @mariner4life do we think having a super dominant scrum deserves the right to direct points? the scrum is just a competition for the ball, surely winning the ball is the most you can expect from just winning the scrum

    Winning the ball, forward momentum and (if we're near the try line) the chance to push over and score a try.

    Taking reset scrums back to the 5 yard line eliminates the opportunity to score pushover tries, which in my opinion is a step backwards.

    Same question is whether a mis-timing at the tackle is worth points - penalties have to be meaningful, it's just not clear what that consequence should be.

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  • mariner4lifeM Offline
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    this just becomes a philosophical debate about rugby really.

    In a game of fine margins and judgement calls, should errors in timing be worth points? I have never thought so.

    But then i can see the point from teh other side. Not giving up points will make teams push the envelope more. And i don't want more yellow cards. Also, in a lot of top level games, actually having the ball can be a disadvantage. Where is the line drawn in a game already incredibly difficult to referee?

    Would i have been happy for that last scrum to do not much more than give the French another opportunity to attack? yeah i guess so. Many many more people would disagree with me, especially those that see rugby as more than a running game.

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    @nzzp and it inspires this negative play, actually playing for a penalty, we'd possibly see more stable scrums if there wasn't the same rewards for things going wrong

    is there something to be said for something in between a free kick and a penalty, where you could kick for touch and get the feed, but cant choose to kick for goal

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  • CrucialC Offline
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    Didn’t we try all this way back with the reduction of many offences to free kicks?

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    Over the years the laws of rugby have in my opinion made rugby more dangerous to play.Play and tackles are now mostly head on collisions.Forwards don’t all go to the breakdown.,hands allowed in the tackle,no rucking allowed,all head down situations which exposes the head.
    Hate saying this but most of the tackles made in the earlier years of rugby were made side on and around the legs.If as a forward you made a tackle at all you were applauded.
    Scrums were screwed legally and weren’t the massive hits they are now.
    In the process of making the game more of a spectacle they have made it more unsafe.Cant have it both ways.

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    @trodthesod said in Law trials and changes:

    Over the years the laws of rugby have in my opinion made rugby more dangerous to play.Play and tackles are now mostly head on collisions.Forwards don’t all go to the breakdown.,hands allowed in the tackle,no rucking allowed,all head down situations which exposes the head.
    Hate saying this but most of the tackles made in the earlier years of rugby were made side on and around the legs.If as a forward you made a tackle at all you were applauded.
    Scrums were screwed legally and weren’t the massive hits they are now.
    In the process of making the game more of a spectacle they have made it more unsafe.Cant have it both ways.

    Can't argue with that

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    Note that this is for NZ community rugby only:

    NZR to trial expansive range of community rugby law variations in 2022

    New Zealand Rugby (NZR) is enhancing the safety and appeal of the sport in 2022, with an expansive range of Experimental Domestic Safety Law Variations (EDSLVs) being rolled out in school and club rugby next season.

    Eight of the fifteen approved EDSLVs will be rolled out nationally across Small Blacks, Teenage Rugby and Senior Rugby; with the other seven being trialled in selected competitions, in consultation with Provincial Unions.

    National changes include reducing tackle height, enhancing breakdown and scrums, and ensuring players remain grounded whilst contesting high balls, in a bid to reduce aerial collisions.

    The changes for 2022 are intended to preserve the characteristics of the game, while ensuring rugby remains relevant, accessible, and appealing to the 160,000 players, coaches, and referees across the country. It’s all part of our plan to future-proof rugby.
    

    Variations will also be introduced in Under 6 to Under 8 Small Blacks rugby, including reducing the field size, which Lancaster says reflects best-practice for the development of young rugby players.

    Lancaster said NZR was taking a leap and learn approach to improving participation, and the EDSLVs being trialled demonstrated NZR's commitment to Sport New Zealand’s Balance is Better philosophy, and Rugby's focus on player safety through their RugbySmart partnership with ACC.

    Provincial Unions are set to introduce the new developments into school and club rugby from 1 January 2022. Any future application of the EDSLVs will be determined following a review at the conclusion of the 2022 season.

    Find out more about the 2022 EDSLVs

    2022 SMALL BLACKS CHANGES

    2022 SECONDARY SCHOOL RUGBY CHANGES

    AREA TRIAL WHY POTENTIAL BENEFITS WHO
    High ball contest* Players must remain grounded when catching high balls Collisions in the air are dangerous for all jumping/involved Reduce aerial collisions and ensure safer outcomes for those receiving high balls All Secondary School and below, excl 1st XV. Extend to 1st XV Rugby subject to consultation with HP and PUs
    Tackle* All tackles must be below the sternum Tackles above belly put heads in the same ‘airspace’ risking collision Safer tackles for all, reduced likelihood of head impact. / Ball can be offloaded. / Faster game All Secondary School and below, excl 1st XV. Extend to 1st XV Rugby subject to consultation with HP and PUs
    Scrum Reset scrum following no infringement results in team originally awarded the scrum being offered uncontested scrum or free kick Reduce repeated resets due to technical competence and/or fatigue Increased playing time / Reduces risk of scrum injuries / Provides tactical variety All
    Offside at Scrum The halfback of the team not in possession must remain 1m from the scrum and may not advance past the tunnel until the scrum has ended Promote positive play Provides faster and cleaner ball . / Provides greater options for No 8 and No 9 plays off the back of the scrum All Designated non-Premier Secondary School Rugby+
    Game on Field dimensions may be varied with agreement using existing field markings down to ½ field Provide further game variations to flexibly meet participants needs All Designated non-Premier Secondary School Rugby

    *excludes 1st XV Rugby, subject to organising committee decision.

    +Designated Premier Grade Competitions include competitions that have been designated by the Provincial Union/s (or other organisation, such as a regional secondary school sports authority) having jurisdiction over that competition. More than one grade may be designated as a Designated Premier Grade Competition.


    2022 SENIOR CLUB RUGBY CHANGES

    AREA TRIAL WHY POTENTIAL BENEFITS WHO
    Scrum Reset scrum following no infringement results in team originally awarded the scrum being offered uncontested scrum or free kick Reduce repeated resets due to technical competence and/or fatigue Increased playing time / Reduces risk of scrum injuries / Provides tactical variety All
    Scrum 1.5M Maximum Push unless within 5m of goal line. Free kick awarded to the team who had the scrum feed. Improve scrum stability and reduce frequency of resets Reduced risk of scrum injuries / Reduced ability to scrum for penalties / Retain ability for pushover tries / Increase ball in play All
    Offside at Scrum The halfback of the team not in possession must remain 1m from the scrum and may not advance past the tunnel until the scrum has ended Promote positive play Provides faster and cleaner ball / Provides greater options for No 8 and No 9 plays off the back of the scrum All Designated non-Premier competitions*
    Game On Field Dimensions may be varied using existing field markings down to ½ Field Provide further game variations to flexibly meet participants needs Smaller field for smaller playing numbers provide a more meaningful experience All Designated non-Premier competitions

    *Designated Premier Grade Competitions include competitions that have been designated by the Provincial Union/s (or other organisation, such as a regional secondary school sports authority) having jurisdiction over that competition. More than one grade may be designated as a Designated Premier Grade Competition.


    EDSLVS IN SELECTED COMPETITIONS

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    Players, unions and competitions support new guidelines for rugby contact training load

    World Rugby and International Rugby Players (IRP) have published new contact training load guidance aimed at reducing injury risk and supporting short and long-term player welfare. The guidance is being supported by national players’ associations, national unions, international and domestic competitions, top coaches and clubs.

    Earlier this year, World Rugby unveiled a transformational six-point plan aiming to cement rugby as the most progressive sport on player welfare. These new best-practice guidelines focus on the intensity and frequency of contact training to which professional rugby players should be exposed and have been shaped by consultation with players and coaches as well as leading medical, conditioning and scientific experts.

    While the incidence of training injuries is low relative to that of matches, the volume of training performed means that a relatively high proportion (35-40 per cent) of all injuries during a season occur during training, with the majority of these being soft tissue injuries. Since the training environment is highly controllable, the guidelines have been developed to reduce injury risk and cumulative contact load to the lowest possible levels that still allow for adequate player conditioning and technical preparation.

    New ‘best practice’ training contact guidelines

    World Rugby and International Rugby Players’ new framework [https://www.world.rugby/the-game/player-welfare/medical/contact-load] sets out clear and acceptable contact guidelines for training sessions, aiming to further inform coaches – and players – of best practice for reducing injury risk and optimising match preparation in season. The guidance covers the whole spectrum of contact training types, considering volume, intensity, frequency and predictability of contact, as well as the optimal structure of sessions across the typical training week, including crucial recovery and rest periods.

    Recommended contact training limits for the professional game are:

    1. Full contact training: maximum of 15 minutes per week across a maximum of two days per week with Mondays and Fridays comprising zero full contact training to allow for recovery and preparation
    2. Controlled contact training: maximum of 40 minutes per week
    3. Live set piece training: maximum of 30 minutes set piece training per week is advised

    The guidelines, which also consider reducing the overall load for players of particular age, maturity and injury profile (in line with the risk factors and load guidance published in 2019), will feature in the men’s and women’s Rugby World Cup player welfare standards.

    Instrumented mouthguard research programme to inform effectiveness

    World Rugby is partnering with elite teams to measure the ‘real life’ effect of these guidelines (in training and matches) and assess the mechanism, incidence and intensity of head impact events using the Prevent Biometics market-leading instrumented mouthguard technology and video analysis to monitor implementation and measure outcomes.
    (...)

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    A player welfare related law change:

    OLD:

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    NEW:

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    If you know what grazes/ burns caused by artificial turf feel like (or like I experienced in my playing days, they frequently result in skin infections despite proper medical treatment), you'll know this is a good thing. I hated playing on artificial turf (they're probably better now, but still cause problems for some).

    By the way, I don't think this clothing option was introduced for women with artificial turf in mind; I think it was more a religion thing, like the headscarves, when rugby became more popular among women in some islamic countries.

    There is no official announcement from WR (yet) about this law change, but as you can see above, they've made the change in the online version of the Law Book. I found out about because I read the article below.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/126663321/rugby-men-cleared-to-play-in-tights-to-stop-friction-burns-after-rule-change

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