Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@no-quarter said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@dogmeat I thought the failing of the government was that while other countries were negotiating pre-purchases of the vaccines we were fluffing around congratulating ourselves on how great we were at eliminating Covid
While saying at the same time we were at the front of the queue.
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@no-quarter @kirwan I'm not saying the government could have done better just pointing out that "the 40 Million that could have meant we got vaccines earlier" much bandied about (including repeatedly on the Fern) appears to be a misconceived fantasy.
Some Economics Professor decided to draw a very long bow without any real supporting evidence.
We could / should have placed orders earlier but spending an extra $40 Million would not have made one jot of difference.
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An interesting piece (to me at least) about the alternatives to MIQ and their limitations.
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Was speaking to an Employment law specialist this morning.
As the Govt. has ruled out making a vax compulsory and kindly put onus on the employers to deal with it, which could potentially open up a big old can of worms down the track under the H & S in the Workplace Act if an unvaccinated person with covid gets a vaccinated person sick at work.
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@anonymous said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
45 new cases in Auckland. So much for the decreasing trend they were talking about yesterday.
If we don't re-enter L2 or 2.5 by next Wednesday I am going to hit the fucken roof. Accidentally looking at FB comments re-vax has not improved my mood. There are some pretty farken stupid people out there, who think they are smart
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I've been in Europe too long but I'm always amazed at how easily some give up their human rights ... Hong Kong and Singapore I understand as they're run by authoritarian regimes, one benign, one less so.
I strongly suspect any European government bringing in electronic tags would be out at the next election (tbh they'd be challenged by legal cases to the European Commission for Human Rights and they know it ...)
Facial recognition technology that has been piloted by the police in UK has been found so far to be pretty
illegalnon-legal ... combination of human rights, and data protection laws.Even a lot of fines given during Covid have found by courts to be
illegalnot legal i.e. either police exceeding their powers, or not actually enshrined in law i.e. just "stick waving" by the government (knowingly I should add).Sorry for the politics, Covid and Politics and Healthcare are indivisible these days I know!
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@l_n_p Facial recognition has been a real hot point here too.
The whole managing at home concept is flawed. Even if it does confirm where you are it doesn't know who is visiting you and people being people you will get self-entitled wankstains who break the rules.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@l_n_p Facial recognition has been a real hot point here too.
The whole managing at home concept is flawed. Even if it does confirm where you are it doesn't know who is visiting you and people being people you will get self-entitled wankstains who break the rules.
While having a Gladys freedom picnic on the weekend (in NSW we can picnic in groups of 5 now) we were chatting to a bunch of cops who were patrolling the park (they weren't patrolling specifically for the picnics but for the protests that never happened) about isolation.
They were saying that a huge amount of police time is taken checking up on home isolation in conjunction with the contact tracers. They also said they were astounded by the amount of people that weren't home when spot checks were done. We asked them why police were involved and not just NSW health staff and unfortunately there's a decent minority that get abusive/violent etc.
The cops were actually pretty decent blokes, they turned down our offer of support to wade into any protestors on their behalf citing the amount of cocktails we'd clearly had.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@l_n_p Facial recognition has been a real hot point here too.
The whole managing at home concept is flawed. Even if it does confirm where you are it doesn't know who is visiting you and people being people you will get self-entitled wankstains who break the rules.
They just need to find a way to track them on FB, because a lot of them reside there!!!!
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@anonymous said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
45 new cases in Auckland. So much for the decreasing trend they were talking about yesterday.
Much better to look at the bigger picture:33 of the new cases are known household or close contacts of existing cases. Many have been isolating at home or in MIQ while infectious.
Of these, 26 are household contacts - 12 come from two households.
Many of these were expected, Bloomfield said.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@l_n_p Facial recognition has been a real hot point here too.
The whole managing at home concept is flawed. Even if it does confirm where you are it doesn't know who is visiting you and people being people you will get self-entitled wankstains who break the rules.
Agreed, but depends on your risk threshold (read Healthcare capacity again)
UK modelling for sure models for a reasonable degree of non-compliance and has since the first wave.
Caveat - UK has never targetted elimination or even aggressive suppression ... imho aggressive suppression is where NZ are headed for 6 and imo 12 months ... based on politics and healthcare.
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@anonymous said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
45 new cases in Auckland. So much for the decreasing trend they were talking about yesterday.
Not surprised at L3. The concern is that it starts to explode.
Delta can't be kept out of the community with the tools we have, so we are in mitigation mode now - trying to avoid exponential growth. I can't see L2- the best we'll get is a modified 3/2 hybrid to stop uncontrolled spread
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@l_n_p Facial recognition has been a real hot point here too.
The whole managing at home concept is flawed. Even if it does confirm where you are it doesn't know who is visiting you and people being people you will get self-entitled wankstains who break the rules.
They just need to find a way to track them on FB, because a lot of them reside there!!!!
Having worked in Big Tech, for some reason I never signed up for FB. Not just incompetent on data privacy like governments often are, selling your data is part of their business model.
Short of electronic tags, if you're self isolating at home you leave your mobile device there and pop out to the shops (given your phone tracks you even with GPS turned off ...). Self isolation is full of holes ... people used in an NZ trial imho are likely to be way more compliant than the average Joe Public. Again I'm sure there will be real-life public data on this from Europe, I'm guessing 10% who pop out occasionally to the shops and 10% who simply don't bother isolating at all,
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@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@l_n_p said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Short of electronic tags
I'd tag people - phone access, as well as an ankle bracelet
the fuck?