Music - Top 10's!
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The Oasis v Pink Floyd discussion is interesting as it is hugely generationally swayed.
Pink Floyd have two generations of fans who will absolutely go if the show was on offer. Huge world wide appeal across a broad audience. Very few of the crowd would be under 40 years of age.
Oasis are basically today what Pink Floyd were to us (do the math, it's frightening) music you listen to because your dad did. And make no mistake, Oasis were an enormous world wide band. Wonderwall is one of the biggest songs of all time. A tour would have a crowd of original fans, and their kids. Not many fans over 50. Nostalgia touring probably not really kicking in with that younger generation yet though.
I'm not really trying to make a case of which is better (I've never been a big fan of Oasis, and the number of PF songs I really like is probably in the single digits) I just think trying to compare them based on a hypothetical world tour is not the best comparison right now. Pink Floyd now to Oasis in 15 years would be an interesting comparison.
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Metallica or Gunners are a much better example than Oasis ( if we’re talking worldwide ). According to lots of googling the highest number I can get for Oasis album sales is 70 million. I think you really need to have sold well over 100 million to be considered in the “first division” ( Pink Floyd have managed over 250 million which puts them with the Beatles, Stones, Zep, Eagles, Queen etc ) and I’ll freely admit that bands I love like Sabbath, Deep Purple, Faith no More, Stone Temple Pilots to name just a few are probably not really in the very top echelon much as they are personal favourites of mine.
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On sales at least, Pink Floyd are absolutely a top 10 British/UK band. In no particular order, I'd start the list with the Beatles, Rolling Stones, The Who, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd and Queen. Who the rest are would be more challenging to select.
Not sure how it stacks up without googling a lot, but Queen sold out Wembley in 1986, before computers and online sales, in 2 hours for 2 nights, which was about 140,000 tickets. I remember reading that was the Wembley stadium sales record pre-online, but maybe that was hype.
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@crucial said in Music - Top 10's!:
@nepia said in Music - Top 10's!:
Don't both Noel and Liam have big selling tours constantly these days with their respective bands? People aren't going to see them for the new stuff, and are happy to go see one of the two to hear Oasis songs.
I think the Fern is underestimating their popularity due maybe to recency bias (which sounds odd for a band whose heyday was the 90s). I think they'll always be massive to the generation who really grew up on them and they'll gain new younger fans like most bands do.
From the OP though I agree with ditching the Stone Roses, the Jam and The Smiths. I've always found The Smiths fucking awful and hated Morrisey's singing even before he became a twat.
I'm a massive Jam fan but wouldn't have them in a list of Top 10 British bands of all time.
As I said before though there will be slots in the list to fill once you get past the obvious. They are the ones with the biggest bias from the selector
Beatles
Rolling Stones
Led Zep
Who
Queen
Pink Floyd
GenesisKinks?
Clash?
Dire Straits?
Bee Gees?then it comes down to personal preference really. Stretch the definition of 'band' and it gets easier as you can add in Bowie, Elton John...
Agree would have the Pistols over the Jam, they really started the whole punk culture. Also Genesis we’re rubbish, would probably prefer the Police from that era
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Could never do a "best" list because it's so subjective no matter what metric you apply.
I could only do "favourite" and it would include Bowie, Maiden, The Chemical Brothers, and The Manic Street Preachers.
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@godder said in Music - Top 10's!:
On sales at least, Pink Floyd are absolutely a top 10 British/UK band. In no particular order, I'd start the list with the Beatles, Rolling Stones, The Who, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd and Queen. Who the rest are would be more challenging to select.
Not sure how it stacks up without googling a lot, but Queen sold out Wembley in 1986, before computers and online sales, in 2 hours for 2 nights, which was about 140,000 tickets. I remember reading that was the Wembley stadium sales record pre-online, but maybe that was hype.
Deep Purple have sold more than the Who apparently. According to Google it’s over a hundred million vs a hundred million. Again, not sure how accurate that is. Deep Purple sounded like tired old past it rockers when they released ‘the Battle Rages on’ in my last year of school, 1994. The fact they’ve released about ten albums since that ( including one they recorded in lockdown last year ) is pretty staggering to me. I’m a massive fan as I’ve mentioned but they passed their used by date in 1984.
But I guess if you release a truckload of albums as they have then your sales will go up even if only five or six out of about 30 are any good.
Possibly going off topic but my mate raves about the new Maiden album, says it’s as good as anything they’ve ever done. Massive call. I’ll have to have a listen.
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Kinks definitely. Ray Davies is a song-writing legend and his brother Dave and bassist Pete Quaife were up there with the likes of Brian May & Jon Entwhistle.
You'd have to include The Police in the list. Yardbirds deserve a look at as well - really influential
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@victor-meldrew said in Music - Top 10's!:
Kinks definitely. Ray Davies is a song-writing legend and his brother Dave and bassist Pete Quaife were up there with the likes of Brian May & Jon Entwhistle.
You'd have to include The Police in the list. Yardbirds deserve a look at as well - really influential
Massive call. I’m going to need some examples to verify how accurate this is.
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@victor-meldrew Controversial opinion: Mick Avery was a better drummer than Keith Moon. There, I’ve said it.
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@mn5 said in Music - Top 10's!:
@victor-meldrew said in Music - Top 10's!:
Kinks definitely. Ray Davies is a song-writing legend and his brother Dave and bassist Pete Quaife were up there with the likes of Brian May & Jon Entwhistle.
You'd have to include The Police in the list. Yardbirds deserve a look at as well - really influential
Massive call. I’m going to need some examples to verify how accurate this is.
"Lola", "You really got me", "Johnny Thunder".... His riffs were awesome. Check out the live album "One for the Road" for his solo playing. His was a pioneer in using distortion as well.
Quaife left the band due to ill health in 1970 but his bass playing was something else. Check out "Village Green Preservation Society". Entwhistle and Macca have quoted him as an influence and I think Entwhistle said he was his favourite bass player.
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@victor-meldrew said in Music - Top 10's!:
@mn5 said in Music - Top 10's!:
@victor-meldrew said in Music - Top 10's!:
Kinks definitely. Ray Davies is a song-writing legend and his brother Dave and bassist Pete Quaife were up there with the likes of Brian May & Jon Entwhistle.
You'd have to include The Police in the list. Yardbirds deserve a look at as well - really influential
Massive call. I’m going to need some examples to verify how accurate this is.
"Lola", "You really got me", "Johnny Thunder".... His riffs were awesome. Check out the live album "One for the Road" for his solo playing. His was a pioneer in using distortion as well.
Quaife left the band due to ill health in 1970 but his bass playing was something else. Check out "Village Green Preservation Society". Entwhistle and Macca have quoted him as an influence and I think Entwhistle said he was his favourite bass player.
Cool, will check it all out. I’ve just never heard them mentioned in that sort of echelon before.
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@jc said in Music - Top 10's!:
@victor-meldrew Controversial opinion: Mick Avery was a better drummer than Keith Moon. There, I’ve said it.
I'll also stick my head above the parapet and say Ringo was a bloody great drummer and hugely underrated...
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@jc said in Music - Top 10's!:
@nevorian Genesis and The Police weren’t really contemporaries. And as good a guitarist as Andy Summers is - and he is very good indeed for my money - Hackett’s solo towards the end of Firth of Fifth is a thing of beauty.
Apart from the lyrics, Firth of Fifth is an astonishing piece of music. Daryl Steurmer does a pretty good rendition too.
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@mn5 said in Music - Top 10's!:
@victor-meldrew said in Music - Top 10's!:
@mn5 said in Music - Top 10's!:
@victor-meldrew said in Music - Top 10's!:
Kinks definitely. Ray Davies is a song-writing legend and his brother Dave and bassist Pete Quaife were up there with the likes of Brian May & Jon Entwhistle.
You'd have to include The Police in the list. Yardbirds deserve a look at as well - really influential
Massive call. I’m going to need some examples to verify how accurate this is.
"Lola", "You really got me", "Johnny Thunder".... His riffs were awesome. Check out the live album "One for the Road" for his solo playing. His was a pioneer in using distortion as well.
Quaife left the band due to ill health in 1970 but his bass playing was something else. Check out "Village Green Preservation Society". Entwhistle and Macca have quoted him as an influence and I think Entwhistle said he was his favourite bass player.
Cool, will check it all out. I’ve just never heard them mentioned in that sort of echelon before.
"Great lead guitarists get amused by people and critics saying they are the best player around. They all know Alan Holdsworth is" 😎
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@victor-meldrew said in Music - Top 10's!:
@mn5 said in Music - Top 10's!:
@victor-meldrew said in Music - Top 10's!:
@mn5 said in Music - Top 10's!:
@victor-meldrew said in Music - Top 10's!:
Kinks definitely. Ray Davies is a song-writing legend and his brother Dave and bassist Pete Quaife were up there with the likes of Brian May & Jon Entwhistle.
You'd have to include The Police in the list. Yardbirds deserve a look at as well - really influential
Massive call. I’m going to need some examples to verify how accurate this is.
"Lola", "You really got me", "Johnny Thunder".... His riffs were awesome. Check out the live album "One for the Road" for his solo playing. His was a pioneer in using distortion as well.
Quaife left the band due to ill health in 1970 but his bass playing was something else. Check out "Village Green Preservation Society". Entwhistle and Macca have quoted him as an influence and I think Entwhistle said he was his favourite bass player.
Cool, will check it all out. I’ve just never heard them mentioned in that sort of echelon before.
"Great lead guitarists get amused by people and critics saying they are the best player around. They all know Alan Holdsworth is" 😎
Doens’t count. He plays Jazz.
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@mn5 said in Music - Top 10's!:
@victor-meldrew said in Music - Top 10's!:
@mn5 said in Music - Top 10's!:
@victor-meldrew said in Music - Top 10's!:
@mn5 said in Music - Top 10's!:
@victor-meldrew said in Music - Top 10's!:
Kinks definitely. Ray Davies is a song-writing legend and his brother Dave and bassist Pete Quaife were up there with the likes of Brian May & Jon Entwhistle.
You'd have to include The Police in the list. Yardbirds deserve a look at as well - really influential
Massive call. I’m going to need some examples to verify how accurate this is.
"Lola", "You really got me", "Johnny Thunder".... His riffs were awesome. Check out the live album "One for the Road" for his solo playing. His was a pioneer in using distortion as well.
Quaife left the band due to ill health in 1970 but his bass playing was something else. Check out "Village Green Preservation Society". Entwhistle and Macca have quoted him as an influence and I think Entwhistle said he was his favourite bass player.
Cool, will check it all out. I’ve just never heard them mentioned in that sort of echelon before.
"Great lead guitarists get amused by people and critics saying they are the best player around. They all know Alan Holdsworth is" 😎
Doens’t count. He plays Jazz.
Could probably play anything to perfection. Even a Shane Warne spell.
I've heard Billy TK is mentioned in guitarist circles as an underrated player as well.
