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@kiwiwomble This explains it.
The Unbridled and Mildly Horrifying Evolution of CGI Luke Skywalker
'The Book of Boba Fett' continued the unholy mission that began in 'The Mandalorian' to resurrect the dead. I'm still scared.
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@bovidae not exactly un bias, the first one was noticeable but i definitely didn't have nightmares and this one was actually pretty good. when i look back at other CGI i actually thought was impressive this is definitely on the better end
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@crucial said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
So if the IMDB listing of Harrison Ford is presumably Han Solo I wonder if that will just be de-aging instead?
Who else would he play ?
If it was a gratuitous cameo as another character that would be the most offensive thing Star Wars has ever done ( and lets face it they’ve pushed the boundaries lately with Rose, Holdo, Finn etc )
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@mn5 i assume he was just meaning that he is listed unlike Hammil so he will be playing a deaged Han
can someone show me this, i couldnt see it in the link posted earlier and cant find it on IMDB now
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@kiwiwomble said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@mn5 i assume he was just meaning that he is listed unlike Hammil so he will be playing a deaged Han
can someone show me this, i couldnt see it in the link posted earlier and cant find it on IMDB now
He’ll have to be de aged as he’ll only look a few years older than he did in Return of the Jedi.
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@mn5 you trying to do an impression of NZbloke? don't think anyone is arguing, i think crucial was just pointing out the difference between having a de aged actor and effectively a CGI version
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Why would people get so offended about all this?
Luke is a character not THE actor.
Obviously producers would want to make the character look similar (evidence how much shit they got for another actor playing Han in the Solo movie) so I have no issues with them doing whatever they need to to try for some continuity.
I’d rather a non Hamill CGI version of Luke that is still obviously Luke than not having him at all. -
@kiwiwomble said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@mn5 you trying to do an impression of NZbloke? don't think anyone is arguing, i think crucial was just pointing out the difference between having a de aged actor and effectively a CGI version
You’re baffling me with your technical talk I’m afraid.
Oh hang on, so de aged is what they did to De Niro in his latest movie…..and CGI is what they did to Moff Tarkin in Rogue One ?
What was Luke in the last episode, I honestly don’t know.
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@crucial said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Why would people get so offended about all this?
Luke is a character not THE actor.
Obviously producers would want to make the character look similar (evidence how much shit they got for another actor playing Han in the Solo movie) so I have no issues with them doing whatever they need to to try for some continuity.
I’d rather a non Hamill CGI version of Luke that is still obviously Luke than not having him at all.When they first did it in Rogue One I though they absolutely nailed Moff Tarkin ( mannerisms, how he talked etc ) but for other characters ( Mon Mothma, drunk guys from the pub in tattooine ) they just got other actors. Surely it’s one thing or another ? ( to be fair Peter Cushing isn’t up to much acting these days )
The young fella who played Han actually did a great job…..but he’s not Harrison Ford and Childish whatshisname isn’t Lando.
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@mn5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@kiwiwomble said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@mn5 you trying to do an impression of NZbloke? don't think anyone is arguing, i think crucial was just pointing out the difference between having a de aged actor and effectively a CGI version
You’re baffling me with your technical talk I’m afraid.
Oh hang on, so de aged is what they did to De Niro in his latest movie…..and CGI is what they did to Moff Tarkin in Rogue One ?
What was Luke in the last episode, I honestly don’t know.
im not sure about De Niro, But de aged would generally mean the same actor comes in and acts out the scene and then they use CGI to make them look younger. the first time we saw Luke in Mando, they had a younger dude come and do the scene for the body, but also had Mark Hamill come in and act out for the voice and facial expressions
with Luke in BoBF last week Mark Hammill had nothing to do with it, rando played out the physical bits and then the face and voice is all computer, hence he is not listed in the credits
Because ford is supposedly listed, although i havent seen that, you would think it will be a case of the former rather than the latter
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@mn5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@crucial said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Why would people get so offended about all this?
Luke is a character not THE actor.
Obviously producers would want to make the character look similar (evidence how much shit they got for another actor playing Han in the Solo movie) so I have no issues with them doing whatever they need to to try for some continuity.
I’d rather a non Hamill CGI version of Luke that is still obviously Luke than not having him at all.When they first did it in Rogue One I though they absolutely nailed Moff Tarkin ( mannerisms, how he talked etc ) but for other characters ( Mon Mothma, drunk guys from the pub in tattooine ) they just got other actors. Surely it’s one thing or another ? ( to be fair Peter Cushing isn’t up to much acting these days )
The young fella who played Han actually did a great job…..but he’s not Harrison Ford and Childish whatshisname isn’t Lando.
i agree I thought Tarkin was good, some people think if you can tell at all then its rubbish, i dont buy that, worked enough for me and theyre are getting better and better at it
I get why they did CGI rather than another actor as he's pretty distinctive (mom mothma is a bit more generic but they still managed to find someone that did a great job), they couldnt do it with han because there is probably huge difference between people tolerance for a few minutes (tarkin) and carrying a whole film
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@kiwiwomble said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@mn5 im not sure about De Niro, But de aged would generally mean the same actor comes in and acts out the scene and then they use CGI to make them look younger. the first time we saw Luke in Mando, they had a younger dude come and do the scene for the body, but also had Mark Hamill come in and act out for the voice and facial expressions
with Luke in BoBF last week Mark Hammill had nothing to do with it, rando played out the physical bits and then the face and voice is all computer, hence he is not listed in the credits
Because ford is supposedly listed, although i havent seen that, you would think it will be a case of the former rather than the latter
MH is listed in the credits on IMDB. Same listing that had HF on it (now removed)
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@crucial said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@kiwiwomble said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@mn5 im not sure about De Niro, But de aged would generally mean the same actor comes in and acts out the scene and then they use CGI to make them look younger. the first time we saw Luke in Mando, they had a younger dude come and do the scene for the body, but also had Mark Hamill come in and act out for the voice and facial expressions
with Luke in BoBF last week Mark Hammill had nothing to do with it, rando played out the physical bits and then the face and voice is all computer, hence he is not listed in the credits
Because ford is supposedly listed, although i havent seen that, you would think it will be a case of the former rather than the latter
MH is listed in the credits on IMDB. Same listing that had HF on it (now removed)
you're right, i looked and didn't see him but there he is
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@kiwiwomble said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@mn5 said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@crucial said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
Why would people get so offended about all this?
Luke is a character not THE actor.
Obviously producers would want to make the character look similar (evidence how much shit they got for another actor playing Han in the Solo movie) so I have no issues with them doing whatever they need to to try for some continuity.
I’d rather a non Hamill CGI version of Luke that is still obviously Luke than not having him at all.When they first did it in Rogue One I though they absolutely nailed Moff Tarkin ( mannerisms, how he talked etc ) but for other characters ( Mon Mothma, drunk guys from the pub in tattooine ) they just got other actors. Surely it’s one thing or another ? ( to be fair Peter Cushing isn’t up to much acting these days )
The young fella who played Han actually did a great job…..but he’s not Harrison Ford and Childish whatshisname isn’t Lando.
i agree I thought Tarkin was good, some people think if you can tell at all then its rubbish, i dont buy that, worked enough for me and theyre are getting better and better at it
I get why they did CGI rather than another actor as he's pretty distinctive (mom mothma is a bit more generic but they still managed to find someone that did a great job), they couldnt do it with han because there is probably huge difference between people tolerance for a few minutes (tarkin) and carrying a whole film
I think they had to get permission from Peter Cushings family to have him on there ? Apparently they were all for it and said the man himself would have loved the idea of him being recreated on screen long after he was dead.
Moff Tarkin is up there in terms of awesome Star Wars characters that’s for sure, his back story indicates he was a ruthless badass.
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@mn5 id be interested in what the deal was there, to what extent do they sign away their likeness to the character etc, where they have made animated versions of characters, do they get a royalty?
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@kiwiwomble said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@mn5 id be interested in what the deal was there, to what extent do they sign away their likeness to the character etc, where they have made animated versions of characters, do they get a royalty?
No idea but you’d certainly hope his family got a slice of the pie. Peter Cushing was part of history when he made the original.
….then again and as if to totally contradict the previous sentence ( in fact in typical fern fashion it does ) whilst I loved Alec Guinness as Obi Wan I think Ewen McGregor nailed the role EVEN better…..so there won’t be any issues there when the Kenobi show airs on Disney……I’m definitely eating humble pie on that one cos I hated the idea of that junkie loser from Trainspotting taking over such a beloved role, I think I spat coffee all over the room when I read about it in the Sunday News. If the internet was more widely available in the late 90s it would have gone into meltdown with all my complaining.
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@mn5 yeah, its really got me thinking, to what extent could they CGI up old character, maybe change enough so as to not need to compensate them, im sure there would be an actors strike or something if they took the piss
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@kiwiwomble said in Star Wars VII ****contains spoilers****:
@mn5 yeah, its really got me thinking, to what extent could they CGI up old character, maybe change enough so as to not need to compensate them, im sure there would be an actors strike or something if they took the piss
If they look too old or they’re dead I have no issue.
But I guess when they want Salma Hayek to look closer to 40 than 50 and her tits to look perkier there might be a few grey areas.
