Auckland stadiums - Eden Park, Western Springs etc
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@dogmeat is that from a proposal? or just an artists impression from an article?...seems extravagant
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@dogmeat said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
Looks like a Pink Floyd concert, so another good reason to build it. Judging by NZ's expertise in building infrastructure, it should be ready by 2038 and only cost $798 trillion.
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@Kiwiwomble It's from the article Winger posted. The tower is an All Blacks hotel. The stadium itself is surrounded by commercial and residential developments.
I added the pigs....
This would need Quay and the Strand to be realigned. Everything as far as mechanics bay to be bowled and the railways lines to be undergrounded. That's just the preparatory work.
They are very nice renders Here's another one with about as much chance of being built
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@dogmeat said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
I added the pigs....
NZ and Auckland should aim high. Eden Park will always be no more than adequate. It's better than the joke cake tin design (but what wouldn't be) but not as good as the Dunedin stadium.
Spending even more on Eden Park is throwing more good money after bad. Time to bite the bullet etc. Have something that stands out and we can all be proud of rather than bland and a little embarrassing. And what's a billion plus. And Auckland deserves this. But stick at 55,000. Thats more than enough
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Quay Park is best. Literally every rail line in the city converges on that spot. The ferries are one stop away at Britomart. Spaghetti junction up the road through Grafton gully. Two dining & entertainment districts nearby (Parnell & the CBD). The students hostels are literally walking distance away and Auckland University is also walking distance. Tamaki Drive is a key arterial that could deliver drop-off and pick-up literally under the stadium along with the rail stations. The indoor stadium is right next door as well so the stadium rail station can service both stadiums. Northern busway is also one stop away in the CBD. There are apartments in the area but they’ll actually go up in value with the stadium situated there. Can even hire out your apartment for the weekend on AirBnB for concerts at the stadium. The view of Rangitoto through the northern stand also reminds us of the Blues crest 😀
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@sparky said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
The big issue will be finding the coin to build it.
that's the only issue with all of the stadia.
There is no money.
Business cases don't stack up.Mind you, you don't have a business case for throwing a party - but you do have to spend on bbq meat and beers. But you don't throw the party when you can't pay your mortgage (which is where AC and NZ Govt are)
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@sparky said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
Quay Park. Make it 55,000-60,000.
The big issue will be finding the coin to build it.
50,000 is more than enough.
The three proposals are the Te Tōangaroa bid in Quay Park including a 50,000 stadium, a 70-000 capacity sunken stadium at Bledisloe Wharf and a 55,000-seat facility at Wynyard Point. A revamped Eden Park would include building a roof.
All four options are being measured against a list of standards established by the working group.
“The criteria are closely aligned to the expression of interest process and all of the bidders have given us a wealth of information, on where you’d put the stadium, how you’d run the stadium and the finances of it are a really key component to that,” Henderson said.
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The key is not just making the development about a stadium that’s used sporadically. The key is in the proposal for retail and hospitality development (used every day) with a stadium tagged on. The retail and hospitality part of the development pays for the stadium part of the development. It’s probably why NZR are supporting that Quay Park proposal.
Although Ngati Whatua have reportedly supported Eden Park (according to one of the media sources), Ngati Whatua have long wanted to develop that land east of the CBD and have actually supported past stadium proposals for that site.
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Well, it was done in partnership with a major property Developer.
It’s a stadium in a housing estate that must have about 500 apartments surrounding it.
Clever way of building their stadium in their spiritual home of Plough Lane. (I drive past it fairly regularly) it was a pretty shoddy part of Wimbledon previously
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But stadiums now are multi use facilities that are used every day.
Plus they are actually fairly low risk from a funding point of view because they can only ever be used as a stadium - so there is stability for the owners/tenants. The ROI is over a very long period of time
If we have learned one thing about stadium development, it’s that inertia and delays only mean one thing - ever increasing costs for it. Bite the bullet, do it asap. They have had decades of this discussion and it cost them 100’s of millions of dollars the longer it takes to make an actual decision and start the project
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@DaGrubster Google do sports stadiums pay their way? or anything similar and every article effectively says a resounding no.
There's a massive capital outlay and significant opex. Even stadia that are widely utilised still financially. The other thing is it's all discretionary spend so whatever income they do bring to local hospo etc comes at the expense of someone else - unless the spend is from people travelling from outside the region which in Auckland's case would be unlikely.
You could argue the focalk point of urban regeneration project but does it really need a focal point. It's basically in the CBD. Developers should be able to make coin without a stadium not because of it
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@Winger said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
The three proposals are the Te Tōangaroa bid in Quay Park including a 50,000 stadium, a 70-000 capacity sunken stadium at Bledisloe Wharf and a 55,000-seat facility at Wynyard Point. A revamped Eden Park would include building a roof.
All four options are being measured against a list of standards established by the working group.
I spent a few days mainly in the Viaduct area a couple of months ago, but even that didn't change my lasting perception of Auckland formed from the airport into the city; that it looks old, dirty, crowded and infrastructure appears to be beyond its capabilities.
My point being whatever is done will be the cheapest, easiest option. There's no chance they'll take the chance on an Opera House type architectural landmark.
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@DaGrubster said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
Well, it was done in partnership with a major property Developer.
It’s a stadium in a housing estate that must have about 500 apartments surrounding it.
Clever way of building their stadium in their spiritual home of Plough Lane. (I drive past it fairly regularly) it was a pretty shoddy part of Wimbledon previously
broadly true...now you have me thinking we should have build a hall of residence around a smaller stadium.....
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@dogmeat said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
...from people travelling from outside the region which in Auckland's case would be unlikely.
Well, to be fair more likely than elsewhere. Lots of Aussies come over to see the Bledisloe (or they did, anyway) - and if the ABs play more here folk will travel to watch.
Nearly half the population lives in Auckland Hamilton Tauranga regions. There is demand for the right product.
And I'm not supportive of that stadium investment at the moment. I am supportive of a clear plan for now and the future ... but I think we'll just wind up with Eden Park doing what it does and being sub-par for both rugby and cricket
