Super Rugby - The Future
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@mariner4life said in NZR review:
as it should. make it a rep comp for club players. it will have genuine meaning again
Well it has to otherwise it is unsustainable to have so many pro teams in NZ.
NZ then will need another SR team to sustain the depth in mo. -
@Chris said in NZR review:
@mariner4life said in NZR review:
as it should. make it a rep comp for club players. it will have genuine meaning again
Well it has to otherwise it is unsustainable to have so many pro teams in NZ.
> NZ then will need another SR team to sustain the depth in mo.And it should be based in The Bay
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of Plenty
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@mariner4life said in NZR review:
of Plenty
Slap in half-way inbetween and give the team the Taupo. That way the Bay's can have split ownership.
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@SouthernMann said in NZR review:
@mariner4life said in NZR review:
of Plenty
Slap in half-way inbetween and give the team the Taupo. That way the Bay's can have split ownership.
King Country leaps from Heartland to Super, I love it.
It would be beautiful to see the meltdown.
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@gt12 said in NZR review:
@SouthernMann said in NZR review:
@mariner4life said in NZR review:
of Plenty
Slap in half-way inbetween and give the team the Taupo. That way the Bay's can have split ownership.
King Country leaps from Heartland to Super, I love it.
It would be beautiful to see the meltdown.
They play in orange and are called the Vikings.
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@Duluth said in NZR review:
@Chris said in NZR review:
NZ then will need another SR team to sustain the depth in mo.
There should be a few more IMO
i think how little this gets talked about is what makes me hold on too the NPC, if every time they talked about winding the NPC down too a amateur rep team/comp they also talked about ramping up the Super Rugby saturation with another couple of teams i would be more on board....im just worried we're going to lose the NPC (im not sure i will regain much meaning)...but just have the same 5 super teams...and it will be just a bit boring
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@Chris said in NZR review:
@mariner4life said in NZR review:
as it should. make it a rep comp for club players. it will have genuine meaning again
Well it has to otherwise it is unsustainable to have so many pro teams in NZ.
NZ then will need another SR team to sustain the depth in mo.I can't see them winding up super rugby.
So, it seems pretty clear that Duluth's idea is the best here, make the NPC an amateur competition and split the Super sides roughly down the middle (Southland isn't getting one) so there are about 8-10 of them.
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@Kiwiwomble said in NZR review:
@Duluth said in NZR review:
@Chris said in NZR review:
NZ then will need another SR team to sustain the depth in mo.
There should be a few more IMO
i think how little this gets talked about is what makes me hold on too the NPC, if every time they talked about winding the NPC down too a amateur rep team/comp they also talked about ramping up the Super Rugby saturation with another couple of teams i would be more on board....im just worried we're going to lose the NPC (im not sure i will regain much meaning)...but just have the same 5 super teams...and it will be just a bit boring
If we could stretch it to 7/8 teams. Work out what can be done to support Australia. May be open up eligibility of our players over there. Get a Japanese team, Argentina, get MP based in the Pacific we could have a decent competition. Especially if the sponsorship money from the NPC gets re-directed to our Super sides. We have teams in North/ Harbour/Northland, Waikato, Taupo, Wellington, Canterbury and Otago. Decent split
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additional teams does introduce an interesting discussion, do we think they will be tapping into a "new" fan base, people that might follow NPC teams but dont bother with super rugby to any great extent becasue they dont have a local team...how many of those people are there? or are they looking to attract fans that currently support someone else, how do you go about convincing someone to change who they support? super rugby obviously had the fact all the teams were new, everyone started with a clean slate for this comp
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@SouthernMann said in NZR review:
@Kiwiwomble said in NZR review:
@Duluth said in NZR review:
@Chris said in NZR review:
NZ then will need another SR team to sustain the depth in mo.
There should be a few more IMO
i think how little this gets talked about is what makes me hold on too the NPC, if every time they talked about winding the NPC down too a amateur rep team/comp they also talked about ramping up the Super Rugby saturation with another couple of teams i would be more on board....im just worried we're going to lose the NPC (im not sure i will regain much meaning)...but just have the same 5 super teams...and it will be just a bit boring
If we could stretch it to 7/8 teams. Work out what can be done to support Australia. May be open up eligibility of our players over there. Get a Japanese team, Argentina, get MP based in the Pacific we could have a decent competition. Especially if the sponsorship money from the NPC gets re-directed to our Super sides. We have teams in North/ Harbour/Northland, Waikato, Taupo, Wellington, Canterbury and Otago. Decent split
I hope you are actually stirring with the Taupo comment, and I like it, but Tauranga should be inline to get a team.
By population, it would roughly be, if 8 teams plus MP (representing South Auckland):
North Auckland, Auckland (Blues), Hamilton (Chiefs), Tauranga, Hawkes / Vikings, Wellington (Hurricanes), Christchurch (Saders), Dunedin (Landers)
If we added another, I would say a straight shoot out between Nelson and New Plymouth.
Edit: Arguably, the places where a super team could more easily take off would be the places where they don't really represent the region, so splitting the Chiefs into 3, and Hurricanes into at least two feels easiest.
The North Auckland / Ta$man ones I'm not so sure.
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@gt12 said in NZR review:
@SouthernMann said in NZR review:
@mariner4life said in NZR review:
of Plenty
Slap in half-way inbetween and give the team the Taupo. That way the Bay's can have split ownership.
King Country leaps from Heartland to Super, I love it.
It would be beautiful to see the meltdown.
It just so happens that the lights at Owen Delany Park are currently being upgraded...
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@gt12 said in NZR review:
@Chris said in NZR review:
@mariner4life said in NZR review:
as it should. make it a rep comp for club players. it will have genuine meaning again
Well it has to otherwise it is unsustainable to have so many pro teams in NZ.
NZ then will need another SR team to sustain the depth in mo.I can't see them winding up super rugby.
So, it seems pretty clear that Duluth's idea is the best here, make the NPC an amateur competition and split the Super sides roughly down the middle (Southland isn't getting one) so there are about 8-10 of them.
I doubt if NZ can afford more than 5 teams. Or have the quality of players to make up these extra teams
WE don't want to make the mistake that both Aust and SA made. Aust still haven't recovered from it
I believe NZ has an issue that there si no simple solution for. But the solution might be too
Stick with 5 NZ super rugby teams. But ensure all teams are quality
Use some NZ players to improve MP.
Aust reduce to 4 team max.
Start promoting SRP is a professional mannerReduce NPC somehow to 12 teams and reduce the salary cap for these teams
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@Winger said in NZR review:
@gt12 said in NZR review:
@Chris said in NZR review:
@mariner4life said in NZR review:
as it should. make it a rep comp for club players. it will have genuine meaning again
Well it has to otherwise it is unsustainable to have so many pro teams in NZ.
NZ then will need another SR team to sustain the depth in mo.I can't see them winding up super rugby.
So, it seems pretty clear that Duluth's idea is the best here, make the NPC an amateur competition and split the Super sides roughly down the middle (Southland isn't getting one) so there are about 8-10 of them.
I doubt if NZ can afford more than 5 teams. Or have the quality of players to make up these extra teams
WE don't want to make the mistake that both Aust and SA made. Aust still haven't recovered from it
I believe NZ has an issue that there si no simple solution for. But the solution might be too
Stick with 5 NZ super rugby teams. But ensure all teams are quality
Use some NZ players to improve MP.
Aust reduce to 4 team max.
Start promoting SRP is a professional mannerReduce NPC somehow to 12 teams and reduce the salary cap for these teams
I'm interested to know why you think they can't afford 3 more Super sides but can afford 12 NPC sides?
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@gt12 said in NZR review:
I'm interested to know why you think they can't afford 3 more Super sides but can afford 12 NPC sides?
The Salary is a lot more. NPC is just a top up for super rugby players. If super rugby was for a longer season the money would need to be higher still
And the likely of getting rid of the NPC or running it a no cost is so low it can be discounted. And would be a disaster for NZ rugby
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@Winger you think 12 NPC teams would be cheaper too run than 2-3 super teams?
