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@Catogrande I thought Marcus Smith played well behind a beaten pack. Perhaps the openness of the game suited him. That’s with the halfback not helping his cause too. Randall was poor
The ruck work looked a lot better when Lawes came on, but the damage had already been done and the confidence in the Baabaa’s was sky high.
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Some of those BaaBaa tries were fantastic to watch.
There'll be a few Englishmen hoping Eddie is blaming others for that, rather than them.
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All at sea
Is Mutiny on the cards?
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Yeah, Smith was one of the few, occasional, bright sparks but overall a really poor forward performance, backed up by a number of individual clumsy errors. Anything Eddie found out about that experimental side would have been a “don’t bother” decision.
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Eight new caps in the England squad to tour Oz:1
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@sparky said in NH International Rugby:
Eight new caps in the England squad to tour Oz:1
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/61863940Underwhelming England squad. With the Wallabies looking to continue their strong form from the middle of last year (with Quade and Samu available) could it be 3-0?
That would be quite the turnaround from Eddie's first tour 6 years ago where they themselves won 3 zip in Australia.
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England squad:
Forwards: Ollie Chessum (Leicester Tigers), Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs), Tom Curry (Sale Sharks), Charlie Ewels (Bath Rugby), Ellis Genge (Leicester Tigers), Jamie George (Saracens), Joe Heyes (Leicester Tigers), Jonny Hill (Exeter Chiefs), Nick Isiekwe (Saracens), Maro Itoje (Saracens), Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints), Lewis Ludlam (Northampton Saints), Bevan Rodd (Sale Sharks), Patrick Schickerling (Exeter Chiefs), Will Stuart (Bath Rugby), Sam Underhill (Bath Rugby), Billy Vunipola (Saracens), Mako Vunipola (Saracens), Jack Walker (Harlequins), Jack Willis (Wasps).
Backs: Henry Arundell (London Irish), Danny Care (Harlequins), Joe Cokanasiga (Bath Rugby), Fraser Dingwall (Northampton Saints), Owen Farrell (Saracens), Tommy Freeman (Northampton Saints), George Furbank (Northampton Saints), Will Joseph (London Irish), Joe Marchant (Harlequins), Jonny May (Gloucester Rugby), Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs), Guy Porter (Leicester Tigers), Harry Randall (Bristol Bears), Jack van Poortvliet (Leicester Tigers), Marcus Smith (Harlequins), Freddie Steward (Leicester Tigers).
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@Catogrande what do you think will be the starting XV?
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Rugby Analyst's take
Steward
Cokanasiga
Marchant
Porter
Freeman
Smith
CareGenge
George
Stuart
Itoje
J Hill
Lawes
T Curry (c)
LudlamCowan-Dickie, M Vunipola, Heyes, Willis, Underhill, B Vunipola
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@Frye said in NH International Rugby:
@Catogrande what do you think will be the starting XV?
Well there's what I would like, which will probably be similar to most people's selection and then there's who I think Eddie will pick.
My 23 would be:
Starters: Steward, Cockanisiga, Marchant, Farrel, Arundell, Smith, Care, Genge LCD, Stuart, Hill, Itoje, Willis, B Vunipola, Curry.
Bench: M Vunipola, George, Schickerling, Lawes, Underhill, Randall, Freeman, Dingwall.
What I think Eddie will go for:
Starters: Steward, May, Dingwall/Porter, Farrell, Marchant, Smith, Randall, Genge, George, Stuart, Ewels, Itoje, Lawes, B Vunipola, Curry.
Bench: M Vunipola, LCD, Heyes, Isiekwe, Chessum, Ludlam, Care, Furbank.
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@MiketheSnow Was it RA's take or was this the popular vote? I know he was doing a vote.
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@Catogrande said in NH International Rugby:
@MiketheSnow Was it RA's take or was this the popular vote? I know he was doing a vote.
Think that was his first selection before the vote
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@MiketheSnow said in NH International Rugby:
@Catogrande said in NH International Rugby:
@MiketheSnow Was it RA's take or was this the popular vote? I know he was doing a vote.
Think that was his first selection before the vote
In which case, imo, he’s no fucking analyst. Ludlum over Curry or Underhill = loss at openside. Curry over Billy V = loss at 8. Platt the guys where their strengths lie. Ludlum is o good 6 and and ok 7. Not our best 6 and nowhere near our best 7. Curry is a great 7, a bloody good 6 and not a no8’s arsehole. Why would you pick that combo?
Aus play a high tempo game and we’ve seen god knows his many times that simply trying to tie them down to a slower tempo doesn’t work unless you have both the players and the game plan.
We’d be fucked with that selection. Mind you, I think we’re fucked anyway. I’d just like to see us in play some rugby whilst being fucked.
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@Catogrande said in NH International Rugby:
@MiketheSnow said in NH International Rugby:
@Catogrande said in NH International Rugby:
@MiketheSnow Was it RA's take or was this the popular vote? I know he was doing a vote.
Think that was his first selection before the vote
In which case, imo, he’s no fucking analyst. Ludlum over Curry or Underhill = loss at openside. Curry over Billy V = loss at 8. Platt the guys where their strengths lie. Ludlum is o good 6 and and ok 7. Not our best 6 and nowhere near our best 7. Curry is a great 7, a bloody good 6 and not a no8’s arsehole. Why would you pick that combo?
Aus play a high tempo game and we’ve seen god knows his many times that simply trying to tie them down to a slower tempo doesn’t work unless you have both the players and the game plan.
We’d be fucked with that selection. Mind you, I think we’re fucked anyway. I’d just like to see us in play some rugby whilst being fucked.
I did it by the numbers
6 Lawes
7 Curry
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Ah. Ok. Still not good though. Ludlum=6. Never an 8. And fuck those that say all the back row positions are interchangeable.
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@Daffy-Jaffy A slightly longer highlights video was posted in the June - July Internationals 2022 thread.
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@Daffy-Jaffy First rugby post given I just watched the England-Barbarian game in full:
- I think 11 of the starters were French plus all of the replacements, French coaching team too. So they're playing for their boss
- France really have huge depth and the Barbarians weren't just playing festival rugby ... they were hitting those rucks, and you can see Sean Edwards influence in that defence
- Can't tell anything from that about England from that except the defense was so bad that I wonder if Eddie and his two new no-name sidekicks have gelled yet (my bad - I can't name either of them off the top of my head).
- I just have a sneaky feeling they'll get home 2-1 in a tight series with Eddie reverting to experience and a lot of tactical kicking. Hope I'm wrong though as I like Dave Rennie and the rugby world need Australia to be strong again
- Nice fairwell for George Kruis. England used to have four top class locks including Kruis. Now really down to one or two depending if Lawes plays at 6 or lock
- Marcus Smith plays a lot like a kiwi 10 - no higher compliment I can think of!
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The big takeaway was England got thrashed by 14 men
