2019 Rugby World Cup



  • So... the Rugby World Cup is this year... I reckon that the eight teams to make the playoffs will be:
    Ireland and Scotland (Pool A)
    New Zealand and South Africa (Pool 😎
    England and Argentina (Pool C)
    Wales and Fiji (Pool D)





  • I think that the final will be between us (New Zealand) and Ireland too. These will probably be the players in each team's match-day 23 permitting fitness.

    All Blacks:

    1. Karl Tu'inukuafe
    2. Codie Taylor
    3. Owen Franks
    4. Brodie Retallick
    5. Sam Whitelock
    6. Vaea Fifita
    7. Ardie Savea
    8. Kieran Read - Captain
    9. TJ Perenara
    10. Beauden Barrett
    11. Rieko Ioane
    12. Ma'a Nonu
    13. Jack Goodhue
    14. Ben Smith
    15. Damian McKenzie
      Reserves:
    16. Dane Coles
    17. Joe Moody
    18. Nepo Laulala
    19. Scott Barrett
    20. Jackson Hemopo
    21. Aaron Smith
    22. Richie Mo'unga
    23. Anton "give me a start" Lienert-Brown

    Ireland:

    1. Cian Healy
    2. Rory Best - Captain
    3. Tadgh Furlong
    4. Devin Toner
    5. James Ryan
    6. Peter O'Mahony
    7. Sean O'Brien
    8. CJ Stander
    9. Conor Murray
    10. Johnny Sexton
    11. Jacob Stockdale
    12. Bundee Aki
    13. Robbie Henshaw
    14. Jordan Larmour
    15. Rob Kearney
      Reserves:
    16. Niall Scannell
    17. Jack McGrath
    18. Andrew Porter
    19. Iain Henderson
    20. Dan Leavy
    21. Kieran Marmion
    22. Joey Carbery
    23. Will Addison


  • @Derm-McCrum oops... forgot to ask if anyone else had different predictions...



  • @Yeah-The-Boys said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    I think that the final will be between us (New Zealand) and Ireland too. These will probably be the players in each team's match-day 23 permitting fitness.

    All Blacks:

    1. Karl Tu'inukuafe
    2. Codie Taylor
    3. Owen Franks
    4. Brodie Retallick
    5. Sam Whitelock
    6. Vaea Fifita
    7. Ardie Savea
    8. Kieran Read - Captain
    9. TJ Perenara
    10. Beauden Barrett
    11. Rieko Ioane
    12. Ma'a Nonu
    13. Jack Goodhue
    14. Ben Smith
    15. Damian McKenzie
      Reserves:
    16. Dane Coles
    17. Joe Moody
    18. Nepo Laulala
    19. Scott Barrett
    20. Jackson Hemopo
    21. Aaron Smith
    22. Richie Mo'unga
    23. Anton "give me a start" Lienert-Brown

    Ireland:

    1. Cian Healy
    2. Rory Best - Captain
    3. Tadgh Furlong
    4. Devin Toner
    5. James Ryan
    6. Peter O'Mahony
    7. Sean O'Brien
    8. CJ Stander
    9. Conor Murray
    10. Johnny Sexton
    11. Jacob Stockdale
    12. Bundee Aki
    13. Robbie Henshaw
    14. Jordan Larmour
    15. Rob Kearney
      Reserves:
    16. Niall Scannell
    17. Jack McGrath
    18. Andrew Porter
    19. Iain Henderson
    20. Dan Leavy
    21. Kieran Marmion
    22. Joey Carbery
    23. Will Addison

    I no longer think DMac will be fullback.

    From his brief time back, Dane Coles starts, easily. Ma'a doesn't make the squad.

    A Smith ahead of TJP. Cane at 6



  • @Yeah-The-Boys in four posts on here so far you've mentioned Vaea Fifita very positively in at least half of them and no mention of Akira Ioane whatsoever.

    Some ferners are gonna absolutely lose their shit when they see that.



  • @Hooroo said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    @Yeah-The-Boys said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    I think that the final will be between us (New Zealand) and Ireland too. These will probably be the players in each team's match-day 23 permitting fitness.

    All Blacks:

    1. Karl Tu'inukuafe
    2. Codie Taylor
    3. Owen Franks
    4. Brodie Retallick
    5. Sam Whitelock
    6. Vaea Fifita
    7. Ardie Savea
    8. Kieran Read - Captain
    9. TJ Perenara
    10. Beauden Barrett
    11. Rieko Ioane
    12. Ma'a Nonu
    13. Jack Goodhue
    14. Ben Smith
    15. Damian McKenzie
      Reserves:
    16. Dane Coles
    17. Joe Moody
    18. Nepo Laulala
    19. Scott Barrett
    20. Jackson Hemopo
    21. Aaron Smith
    22. Richie Mo'unga
    23. Anton "give me a start" Lienert-Brown

    Ireland:

    1. Cian Healy
    2. Rory Best - Captain
    3. Tadgh Furlong
    4. Devin Toner
    5. James Ryan
    6. Peter O'Mahony
    7. Sean O'Brien
    8. CJ Stander
    9. Conor Murray
    10. Johnny Sexton
    11. Jacob Stockdale
    12. Bundee Aki
    13. Robbie Henshaw
    14. Jordan Larmour
    15. Rob Kearney
      Reserves:
    16. Niall Scannell
    17. Jack McGrath
    18. Andrew Porter
    19. Iain Henderson
    20. Dan Leavy
    21. Kieran Marmion
    22. Joey Carbery
    23. Will Addison

    I no longer think DMac will be fullback.

    From his brief time back, Dane Coles starts, easily. Ma'a doesn't make the squad.

    A Smith ahead of TJP. Cane at 6

    it will be interesting to see where they go with 10 , 15 and the bench , I tend to think Dmac offers more from the bench ,

    But Moungas form deserves a spot in the 23 too , and I think george Bridge could throw an extra spanner in the works this year with his form demanding a spot on the right wing ,

    And i think that is their dilemma , trying to fit them all in , someone good enough may miss out



  • @kiwiinmelb I was talking to an AB selector before Xmas /bignote. I keep meaning to find the time to write up what I can repeat, but he had some very interesting things to say about 10 and the back three.

    Lets just say - you're pretty much spot on



  • @Yeah-The-Boys said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    I think that the final will be between us (New Zealand) and Ireland too. These will probably be the players in each team's match-day 23 permitting fitness.

    I'm not sure Ireland will make it to the final. They are a quality outfit, but playing 7 games on consecutive weekends feels a tough ask for their style. Not sure why - I just wonder if they have three big games (well, two to get to the final) in consective weekends in them.

    For the ABs, I'd say we're 50/50 at best, and with a tough game early against SA, who knows who's going to wind up in the draw. I'd love for a 2007 England knockout run sometime for the ABs - Argentina and Fiji to get to the Final!



  • @nzzp said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    @Yeah-The-Boys said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    I think that the final will be between us (New Zealand) and Ireland too. These will probably be the players in each team's match-day 23 permitting fitness.

    I'm not sure Ireland will make it to the final. They are a quality outfit, but playing 7 games on consecutive weekends feels a tough ask for their style. Not sure why - I just wonder if they have three big games (well, two to get to the final) in consective weekends in them.

    For the ABs, I'd say we're 50/50 at best, and with a tough game early against SA, who knows who's going to wind up in the draw. I'd love for a 2007 England knockout run sometime for the ABs - Argentina and Fiji to get to the Final!

    One thing that I haven’t seen discussed much is the humidity of Japan ,

    It could be very taxing , will be interesting to see if it has any bearing ,

    You would think it would favour the sh sides , but England did win a wc in pretty much Australian summer conditions so maybe not .



  • @dogmeat my gut feeling is we might see bender shifted back to fullback , I’m tipping bridge to be the bolter and play 14 .

    Then it will be between Richie and dmac on the bench .

    And it’s not just about who is better , but the dynamic they want most.



  • @kiwiinmelb from what I heard you can lock Bridge in (9 mths out so....)



  • @kiwiinmelb said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    @dogmeat my gut feeling is we might see bender shifted back to fullback , I’m tipping bridge to be the bolter and play 14 .

    Then it will be between Richie and dmac on the bench .

    And it’s not just about who is better , but the dynamic they want most.

    There is still another shoe to drop with Jordie Barrett in all this. Clearly a favourite of the selectors and potentially offers positional flexibility and goal kicking. If he can just "get it" at test level D Mac would be long forgotten.

    Would be interesting to hear dogmeat's thoughts though!



  • @rotated it's going to take a fuckload more than an okay game against a deplorable Italian outfit to erase the rest of his shit year.



  • @mariner4life said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    @rotated it's going to take a fuckload more than an okay game against a deplorable Italian outfit to erase the rest of his shit year.

    For sure, again more looking at it from the selectors perspective. They obviously have a soft spot for him and I'm sure if they had their druthers he would meet his potential and be the starting fullback.

    I don't put it past him, Toeava was much maligned but after 2-3 piecemeal seasons in black he finally started to put it together IMO and was a really reliable performer in Black from 09-11. Hopefully Jordie is on a similar trajectory.



  • @rotated said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    @mariner4life said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    @rotated it's going to take a fuckload more than an okay game against a deplorable Italian outfit to erase the rest of his shit year.

    For sure, again more looking at it from the selectors perspective. They obviously have a soft spot for him and I'm sure if they had their druthers he would meet his potential and be the starting fullback.

    I don't put it past him, Toeava was much maligned but after 2-3 piecemeal seasons in black he finally started to put it together IMO and was a really reliable performer in Black from 09-11. Hopefully Jordie is on a similar trajectory.

    He's young and obviously talented so I am not writing him off. But it would be a huge turnaround by September.

    2020? Absolutely



  • @mariner4life remember they aren't afraid to pick bolters. NMS had a great Super season and then RWC in 2015; particularly with a strike wing, form is more improtant than age or experience I think



  • @mariner4life said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    @rotated it's going to take a fuckload more than an okay game against a deplorable Italian outfit to erase the rest of his shit year.

    He wasn't nearly as bad as people are making out. He made a few errors in black, most notably the quick lineout throw that Rieko called for and then pussied out of catching. He also did a lot of very good stuff - in that same match he scored an awesome try by running a great angle and taking the ball behind him without losing any pace.

    The reaction to that game knocked his confidence, which he finally regathered on the wing against Italy. I'd say he had a very up and down season. DMac finally found a bit of consistency last year for the ABs (though not for the Chiefs) which has put pressure on his spot, but he's still right in the mix for the RWC if he has another strong Super season.



  • @No-Quarter said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    He wasn't nearly as bad as people are making out. He made a few errors in black, most notably the quick lineout throw that Rieko called for and then pussied out of catching.

    Are you Barrett fanboys still trying to blame Reiko for JB's decision making and poor execution. Comedy gold.



  • @Nepia said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    @No-Quarter said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    He wasn't nearly as bad as people are making out. He made a few errors in black, most notably the quick lineout throw that Rieko called for and then pussied out of catching.

    Are you Barrett fanboys still trying to blame Reiko for JB's decision making and poor execution. Comedy gold.

    No, Jordie threw the ball so was held accountable, but Rieko played a role in that as well. Not sure why you'd ignore that.

    Just pointing out that the criticism has been over the top. For example, ALB was significantly worse than Jordie in that match - butchering a certain try and then gifting another at a crucial stage of the match. Yet despite that disastrous performance, posters have been calling for him to be in the starting 15 every match.



  • @Yeah-The-Boys said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    I think that the final will be between us (New Zealand) and Ireland too. These will probably be the players in each team's match-day 23 permitting fitness.

    I don’t.
    Ireland RWC 31:

    Forwards 17

    1. Cian Healy - Dave Kilcoyne - Finlay Bealham
    2. Rory Best - Sean Cronin - Niall Scannell
    3. Tadgh Furlong - Andrew Porter - (Bealham)
    4. Devin Toner - Iain Henderson
    5. James Ryan - Tadgh Beirne
    6. Peter O'Mahony - (Beirne - vdF)
    7. Josh van der Flier - Dan Leavy - (SOB)
    8. CJ Stander - Sean O’Brien

    Backs: 14
    9. Conor Murray - Kieran Marmion - John Cooney
    10. Johnny Sexton - Joey Carbery (Cooney)
    11. Jacob Stockdale - Jordan Larmour
    12. Robbie Henshaw - Bundee Aki
    13. Garry Ringrose - Will Addison (Henshaw - Aki)
    14. Keith Earls - Andrew Conway - (Addison)
    15. Rob Kearney - (Larmour - Conway - Addison)



  • So who do you think you'll be playing in the final then?



  • I think Italy might get fired up and take this World Cup after that defeat to the ABs. Imagine having JORDIE BARRETT score 4 tries against you



  • I find it hard to believe Keith Earls is still alive.



  • @Yeah-The-Boys said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    So... the Rugby World Cup is this year... I reckon that the eight teams to make the playoffs will be:
    Ireland and Scotland (Pool A)
    New Zealand and South Africa (Pool 😎
    England and Argentina (Pool C)
    Wales and Fiji (Pool D)

    Fiji?

    Are you high?



  • Fiji coach John McKee is in Japan this week finalising preparations for their World Cup campaign which now includes a two-match series against the Maori All Blacks in July.

          Fiji will host the Maori All Blacks in Suva on July 11 and after that series will tackle Japan, Canada, Samoa and Tonga in the World Rugby Pacific Nations Cup in August in a bid to be ready for World Cup pool games with Grand Slam champions Wales, Australia, Georgia and Uruguay.
    

    The Maori All Blacks will face Fiji three days after the historic Test in Apia between the All Blacks and Manu Samoa. “This match is guaranteed entertainment for Fiji, come July, and we are delighted to once again host the Maori All Blacks,” said Fiji Rugby’s Chief Executive Radrodro Tabualevu.



  • Is this the full article?

    .

    Really odd that the MABs would play Fiji on 11 July 2019, while the Super Rugby Final is on 6 July.

    Unfortunately, there's no info about when that All Blacks v Samoa match is going to be played. That one hasn't been officially announced, as far as I know. What has been announced is an All Blacks v Tonga match on 7 September, and a Wallabies v Samoa test on the same day.

    Is this info really correct? It's all maybe a bit too similar to 2015?

    Wed 8 July 2015: Samoa v All Blacks (Apia)
    Sat 11 July 2015: Fiji v Maori All Blacks (Suva)

    The All Blacks will play their first Rugby Championship test against Argentina in Buenos Aires on 20 July 2019.



  • Yeah sounds like a mix up from 2015, ABs not playing in Samoa



  • So the 41 man squad has been named. How many do we take to japan?



  • @Yeahtheboys said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

    So the 41 man squad has been named. How many do we take to japan?

    1. There is discussion on this in the 2019 Rugby Championship thread


  • @Yeahtheboys The wider RWC squad hasn'tbeen named yet. The group for the first foundation day has been named. Before the RWC, there's still a (shortened) Rugby Championship to be played, which will probably be used to test some players and see whether they're up to it, or to attempt to bring some players back to match fitness.

    Edit: the discussion in the Rugby Championship thread starts about here.



  • From Yealden:

    Good morning. ABs management have confirmed that Damien McKenzie won't be at the foundation day in Wellington. Still no confirmed results on the MRI scans on DMac's right knee but should get confirmation this morning from either ABs coach Steve Hansen or Chiefs coach Colin Cooper (Hansen speaking at 11am; Cooper just after midday) Also Chiefs prop Atu Moli will be attending the foundation day, meaning eight props have been invited - regards NY 🇳🇿🏉





  • @Nogusta bugger



  • With DMac playing full back a lot in the NH tests, both Oz and NZ have lost their incumbent fullback for RWC! Tho it's should be Bender, and Foolau is more a wing



  • Gutted for DMac. He was playing really well again back at Fullback. I really admire the enthusiasm with which he plays the game.

    Ben Smith will now be the ABs first-choice fullback. Jordie Barrett, David Havili and Will Jordan are the cover after that.

    3rd Choice First Five is an issue. Stephen Perofeta's likelihood of makinf the RWC just went up significantly.



  • There's a longer discussion of Dmac's injury in the 2019 Rugby Championship thread.



  • Watched the All Blacks training at Kilbirnie Park a couple of hours back. Took my boots along just in case but quite frankly flatly refuse to play in anything other than Mizuno so when the trainers headed my way got them out of my bag and waved them in their direction only to see them do a quick about turn.

    As an aside it was rather hilarious watching the ABs sharing the ingoal area in front of the swimming pool with a guy practicing what looked like some sort of Israel Folau sign language yoga. He paid them no attention whatsoever and defended his space magnificently!



  • Interesting question as to how the ABs will re-configure their backs selection - given that DMac was going to take the 3rd first five spot, but probably play in the back three.

    Assuming 14 backs and a couple of big assumptions....

    Smith, Perenara, TTT

    BBarrett, Mo'unga

    Crotty, SBW, ALB, Goodhue

    BSmith, Ioane, Naholo, JBarrett

    Do you use the final pick to pick a third first five or another outside back - or maybe even both and prune another midfield back?



  • @Chris-B

    Smith, Perenara, TTT,

    BB, Mo'unga

    Crotty, Laumape, ALB, Goodhue, Nonu or SBW (depending on fitness).

    R Ioane, Jordan, J Barrett, B Smith.

    In group play (Namibia or Canada), Crotty and J Barrett to give some cover at 10. Laumape and ALB to give some cover at Wing.

    23 for South Africa and the Knock outs:

    Joe Moody, Codie Taylor, Owen Franks
    Sam Whitelock, Brodie Retallick
    Sam Cane, Ardie Savea, Kieran Read
    Aaron Smith, Beauden Barrett
    Reiko Ioane, Ryan Crotty, Jack Goodhue, Will Jordan
    Ben Smith

    Bench: Karl Tu'inukuafe, Dane Coles, Nepo Laulala, Scott Barrett, Akira Ioane, TJP, Richie Mo'unga, ALB


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