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      Yeah The Boys last edited by Duluth

      So... the Rugby World Cup is this year... I reckon that the eight teams to make the playoffs will be:
      Ireland and Scotland (Pool A)
      New Zealand and South Africa (Pool 😎
      England and Argentina (Pool C)
      Wales and Fiji (Pool D)

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        Derm McCrum @Yeah The Boys last edited by

        @Yeah-The-Boys

        And?

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          Yeah The Boys last edited by

          I think that the final will be between us (New Zealand) and Ireland too. These will probably be the players in each team's match-day 23 permitting fitness.

          All Blacks:

          1. Karl Tu'inukuafe
          2. Codie Taylor
          3. Owen Franks
          4. Brodie Retallick
          5. Sam Whitelock
          6. Vaea Fifita
          7. Ardie Savea
          8. Kieran Read - Captain
          9. TJ Perenara
          10. Beauden Barrett
          11. Rieko Ioane
          12. Ma'a Nonu
          13. Jack Goodhue
          14. Ben Smith
          15. Damian McKenzie
            Reserves:
          16. Dane Coles
          17. Joe Moody
          18. Nepo Laulala
          19. Scott Barrett
          20. Jackson Hemopo
          21. Aaron Smith
          22. Richie Mo'unga
          23. Anton "give me a start" Lienert-Brown

          Ireland:

          1. Cian Healy
          2. Rory Best - Captain
          3. Tadgh Furlong
          4. Devin Toner
          5. James Ryan
          6. Peter O'Mahony
          7. Sean O'Brien
          8. CJ Stander
          9. Conor Murray
          10. Johnny Sexton
          11. Jacob Stockdale
          12. Bundee Aki
          13. Robbie Henshaw
          14. Jordan Larmour
          15. Rob Kearney
            Reserves:
          16. Niall Scannell
          17. Jack McGrath
          18. Andrew Porter
          19. Iain Henderson
          20. Dan Leavy
          21. Kieran Marmion
          22. Joey Carbery
          23. Will Addison
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            Yeah The Boys @Derm McCrum last edited by

            @Derm-McCrum oops... forgot to ask if anyone else had different predictions...

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            • Hooroo
              Hooroo @Yeah The Boys last edited by

              @Yeah-The-Boys said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

              I think that the final will be between us (New Zealand) and Ireland too. These will probably be the players in each team's match-day 23 permitting fitness.

              All Blacks:

              1. Karl Tu'inukuafe
              2. Codie Taylor
              3. Owen Franks
              4. Brodie Retallick
              5. Sam Whitelock
              6. Vaea Fifita
              7. Ardie Savea
              8. Kieran Read - Captain
              9. TJ Perenara
              10. Beauden Barrett
              11. Rieko Ioane
              12. Ma'a Nonu
              13. Jack Goodhue
              14. Ben Smith
              15. Damian McKenzie
                Reserves:
              16. Dane Coles
              17. Joe Moody
              18. Nepo Laulala
              19. Scott Barrett
              20. Jackson Hemopo
              21. Aaron Smith
              22. Richie Mo'unga
              23. Anton "give me a start" Lienert-Brown

              Ireland:

              1. Cian Healy
              2. Rory Best - Captain
              3. Tadgh Furlong
              4. Devin Toner
              5. James Ryan
              6. Peter O'Mahony
              7. Sean O'Brien
              8. CJ Stander
              9. Conor Murray
              10. Johnny Sexton
              11. Jacob Stockdale
              12. Bundee Aki
              13. Robbie Henshaw
              14. Jordan Larmour
              15. Rob Kearney
                Reserves:
              16. Niall Scannell
              17. Jack McGrath
              18. Andrew Porter
              19. Iain Henderson
              20. Dan Leavy
              21. Kieran Marmion
              22. Joey Carbery
              23. Will Addison

              I no longer think DMac will be fullback.

              From his brief time back, Dane Coles starts, easily. Ma'a doesn't make the squad.

              A Smith ahead of TJP. Cane at 6

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              • MN5
                MN5 last edited by

                @Yeah-The-Boys in four posts on here so far you've mentioned Vaea Fifita very positively in at least half of them and no mention of Akira Ioane whatsoever.

                Some ferners are gonna absolutely lose their shit when they see that.

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                • kiwiinmelb
                  kiwiinmelb @Hooroo last edited by

                  @Hooroo said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

                  @Yeah-The-Boys said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

                  I think that the final will be between us (New Zealand) and Ireland too. These will probably be the players in each team's match-day 23 permitting fitness.

                  All Blacks:

                  1. Karl Tu'inukuafe
                  2. Codie Taylor
                  3. Owen Franks
                  4. Brodie Retallick
                  5. Sam Whitelock
                  6. Vaea Fifita
                  7. Ardie Savea
                  8. Kieran Read - Captain
                  9. TJ Perenara
                  10. Beauden Barrett
                  11. Rieko Ioane
                  12. Ma'a Nonu
                  13. Jack Goodhue
                  14. Ben Smith
                  15. Damian McKenzie
                    Reserves:
                  16. Dane Coles
                  17. Joe Moody
                  18. Nepo Laulala
                  19. Scott Barrett
                  20. Jackson Hemopo
                  21. Aaron Smith
                  22. Richie Mo'unga
                  23. Anton "give me a start" Lienert-Brown

                  Ireland:

                  1. Cian Healy
                  2. Rory Best - Captain
                  3. Tadgh Furlong
                  4. Devin Toner
                  5. James Ryan
                  6. Peter O'Mahony
                  7. Sean O'Brien
                  8. CJ Stander
                  9. Conor Murray
                  10. Johnny Sexton
                  11. Jacob Stockdale
                  12. Bundee Aki
                  13. Robbie Henshaw
                  14. Jordan Larmour
                  15. Rob Kearney
                    Reserves:
                  16. Niall Scannell
                  17. Jack McGrath
                  18. Andrew Porter
                  19. Iain Henderson
                  20. Dan Leavy
                  21. Kieran Marmion
                  22. Joey Carbery
                  23. Will Addison

                  I no longer think DMac will be fullback.

                  From his brief time back, Dane Coles starts, easily. Ma'a doesn't make the squad.

                  A Smith ahead of TJP. Cane at 6

                  it will be interesting to see where they go with 10 , 15 and the bench , I tend to think Dmac offers more from the bench ,

                  But Moungas form deserves a spot in the 23 too , and I think george Bridge could throw an extra spanner in the works this year with his form demanding a spot on the right wing ,

                  And i think that is their dilemma , trying to fit them all in , someone good enough may miss out

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                  • dogmeat
                    dogmeat @kiwiinmelb last edited by

                    @kiwiinmelb I was talking to an AB selector before Xmas /bignote. I keep meaning to find the time to write up what I can repeat, but he had some very interesting things to say about 10 and the back three.

                    Lets just say - you're pretty much spot on

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                      nzzp @Yeah The Boys last edited by

                      @Yeah-The-Boys said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

                      I think that the final will be between us (New Zealand) and Ireland too. These will probably be the players in each team's match-day 23 permitting fitness.

                      I'm not sure Ireland will make it to the final. They are a quality outfit, but playing 7 games on consecutive weekends feels a tough ask for their style. Not sure why - I just wonder if they have three big games (well, two to get to the final) in consective weekends in them.

                      For the ABs, I'd say we're 50/50 at best, and with a tough game early against SA, who knows who's going to wind up in the draw. I'd love for a 2007 England knockout run sometime for the ABs - Argentina and Fiji to get to the Final!

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                      • kiwiinmelb
                        kiwiinmelb @nzzp last edited by

                        @nzzp said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

                        @Yeah-The-Boys said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

                        I think that the final will be between us (New Zealand) and Ireland too. These will probably be the players in each team's match-day 23 permitting fitness.

                        I'm not sure Ireland will make it to the final. They are a quality outfit, but playing 7 games on consecutive weekends feels a tough ask for their style. Not sure why - I just wonder if they have three big games (well, two to get to the final) in consective weekends in them.

                        For the ABs, I'd say we're 50/50 at best, and with a tough game early against SA, who knows who's going to wind up in the draw. I'd love for a 2007 England knockout run sometime for the ABs - Argentina and Fiji to get to the Final!

                        One thing that I haven’t seen discussed much is the humidity of Japan ,

                        It could be very taxing , will be interesting to see if it has any bearing ,

                        You would think it would favour the sh sides , but England did win a wc in pretty much Australian summer conditions so maybe not .

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                        • kiwiinmelb
                          kiwiinmelb @dogmeat last edited by

                          @dogmeat my gut feeling is we might see bender shifted back to fullback , I’m tipping bridge to be the bolter and play 14 .

                          Then it will be between Richie and dmac on the bench .

                          And it’s not just about who is better , but the dynamic they want most.

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                          • dogmeat
                            dogmeat @kiwiinmelb last edited by

                            @kiwiinmelb from what I heard you can lock Bridge in (9 mths out so....)

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                            • rotated
                              rotated @kiwiinmelb last edited by rotated

                              @kiwiinmelb said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

                              @dogmeat my gut feeling is we might see bender shifted back to fullback , I’m tipping bridge to be the bolter and play 14 .

                              Then it will be between Richie and dmac on the bench .

                              And it’s not just about who is better , but the dynamic they want most.

                              There is still another shoe to drop with Jordie Barrett in all this. Clearly a favourite of the selectors and potentially offers positional flexibility and goal kicking. If he can just "get it" at test level D Mac would be long forgotten.

                              Would be interesting to hear dogmeat's thoughts though!

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                              • mariner4life
                                mariner4life @rotated last edited by

                                @rotated it's going to take a fuckload more than an okay game against a deplorable Italian outfit to erase the rest of his shit year.

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                                  rotated @mariner4life last edited by

                                  @mariner4life said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

                                  @rotated it's going to take a fuckload more than an okay game against a deplorable Italian outfit to erase the rest of his shit year.

                                  For sure, again more looking at it from the selectors perspective. They obviously have a soft spot for him and I'm sure if they had their druthers he would meet his potential and be the starting fullback.

                                  I don't put it past him, Toeava was much maligned but after 2-3 piecemeal seasons in black he finally started to put it together IMO and was a really reliable performer in Black from 09-11. Hopefully Jordie is on a similar trajectory.

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                                  • mariner4life
                                    mariner4life @rotated last edited by

                                    @rotated said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

                                    @mariner4life said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

                                    @rotated it's going to take a fuckload more than an okay game against a deplorable Italian outfit to erase the rest of his shit year.

                                    For sure, again more looking at it from the selectors perspective. They obviously have a soft spot for him and I'm sure if they had their druthers he would meet his potential and be the starting fullback.

                                    I don't put it past him, Toeava was much maligned but after 2-3 piecemeal seasons in black he finally started to put it together IMO and was a really reliable performer in Black from 09-11. Hopefully Jordie is on a similar trajectory.

                                    He's young and obviously talented so I am not writing him off. But it would be a huge turnaround by September.

                                    2020? Absolutely

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                                    • nzzp
                                      nzzp @mariner4life last edited by

                                      @mariner4life remember they aren't afraid to pick bolters. NMS had a great Super season and then RWC in 2015; particularly with a strike wing, form is more improtant than age or experience I think

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                                      • No Quarter
                                        No Quarter @mariner4life last edited by

                                        @mariner4life said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

                                        @rotated it's going to take a fuckload more than an okay game against a deplorable Italian outfit to erase the rest of his shit year.

                                        He wasn't nearly as bad as people are making out. He made a few errors in black, most notably the quick lineout throw that Rieko called for and then pussied out of catching. He also did a lot of very good stuff - in that same match he scored an awesome try by running a great angle and taking the ball behind him without losing any pace.

                                        The reaction to that game knocked his confidence, which he finally regathered on the wing against Italy. I'd say he had a very up and down season. DMac finally found a bit of consistency last year for the ABs (though not for the Chiefs) which has put pressure on his spot, but he's still right in the mix for the RWC if he has another strong Super season.

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                                        • Nepia
                                          Nepia @No Quarter last edited by

                                          @No-Quarter said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

                                          He wasn't nearly as bad as people are making out. He made a few errors in black, most notably the quick lineout throw that Rieko called for and then pussied out of catching.

                                          Are you Barrett fanboys still trying to blame Reiko for JB's decision making and poor execution. Comedy gold.

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                                          • No Quarter
                                            No Quarter @Nepia last edited by

                                            @Nepia said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

                                            @No-Quarter said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

                                            He wasn't nearly as bad as people are making out. He made a few errors in black, most notably the quick lineout throw that Rieko called for and then pussied out of catching.

                                            Are you Barrett fanboys still trying to blame Reiko for JB's decision making and poor execution. Comedy gold.

                                            No, Jordie threw the ball so was held accountable, but Rieko played a role in that as well. Not sure why you'd ignore that.

                                            Just pointing out that the criticism has been over the top. For example, ALB was significantly worse than Jordie in that match - butchering a certain try and then gifting another at a crucial stage of the match. Yet despite that disastrous performance, posters have been calling for him to be in the starting 15 every match.

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                                              Derm McCrum @Yeah The Boys last edited by Derm McCrum

                                              @Yeah-The-Boys said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

                                              I think that the final will be between us (New Zealand) and Ireland too. These will probably be the players in each team's match-day 23 permitting fitness.

                                              I don’t.
                                              Ireland RWC 31:

                                              Forwards 17

                                              1. Cian Healy - Dave Kilcoyne - Finlay Bealham
                                              2. Rory Best - Sean Cronin - Niall Scannell
                                              3. Tadgh Furlong - Andrew Porter - (Bealham)
                                              4. Devin Toner - Iain Henderson
                                              5. James Ryan - Tadgh Beirne
                                              6. Peter O'Mahony - (Beirne - vdF)
                                              7. Josh van der Flier - Dan Leavy - (SOB)
                                              8. CJ Stander - Sean O’Brien

                                              Backs: 14
                                              9. Conor Murray - Kieran Marmion - John Cooney
                                              10. Johnny Sexton - Joey Carbery (Cooney)
                                              11. Jacob Stockdale - Jordan Larmour
                                              12. Robbie Henshaw - Bundee Aki
                                              13. Garry Ringrose - Will Addison (Henshaw - Aki)
                                              14. Keith Earls - Andrew Conway - (Addison)
                                              15. Rob Kearney - (Larmour - Conway - Addison)

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                                              • Machpants
                                                Machpants last edited by

                                                So who do you think you'll be playing in the final then?

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                                                  Yeahtheboys last edited by

                                                  I think Italy might get fired up and take this World Cup after that defeat to the ABs. Imagine having JORDIE BARRETT score 4 tries against you

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                                                  • Bones
                                                    Bones last edited by

                                                    I find it hard to believe Keith Earls is still alive.

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                                                    • MiketheSnow
                                                      MiketheSnow @Yeah The Boys last edited by

                                                      @Yeah-The-Boys said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

                                                      So... the Rugby World Cup is this year... I reckon that the eight teams to make the playoffs will be:
                                                      Ireland and Scotland (Pool A)
                                                      New Zealand and South Africa (Pool 😎
                                                      England and Argentina (Pool C)
                                                      Wales and Fiji (Pool D)

                                                      Fiji?

                                                      Are you high?

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                                                      • Daffy Jaffy
                                                        Daffy Jaffy last edited by Daffy Jaffy

                                                        Fiji coach John McKee is in Japan this week finalising preparations for their World Cup campaign which now includes a two-match series against the Maori All Blacks in July.

                                                              Fiji will host the Maori All Blacks in Suva on July 11 and after that series will tackle Japan, Canada, Samoa and Tonga in the World Rugby Pacific Nations Cup in August in a bid to be ready for World Cup pool games with Grand Slam champions Wales, Australia, Georgia and Uruguay.
                                                        

                                                        The Maori All Blacks will face Fiji three days after the historic Test in Apia between the All Blacks and Manu Samoa. “This match is guaranteed entertainment for Fiji, come July, and we are delighted to once again host the Maori All Blacks,” said Fiji Rugby’s Chief Executive Radrodro Tabualevu.

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                                                        • Stargazer
                                                          Stargazer last edited by Stargazer

                                                          Is this the full article?

                                                          Fiji's Rugby World Cup preparations just got significantly tastier

                                                          Fiji's Rugby World Cup preparations just got significantly tastier

                                                          Fiji coach John McKee is in Japan this week finalising preparations for their World Cup campaign which now includes a two-match series against the Maori All Blacks in July.

                                                          .

                                                          Really odd that the MABs would play Fiji on 11 July 2019, while the Super Rugby Final is on 6 July.

                                                          Unfortunately, there's no info about when that All Blacks v Samoa match is going to be played. That one hasn't been officially announced, as far as I know. What has been announced is an All Blacks v Tonga match on 7 September, and a Wallabies v Samoa test on the same day.

                                                          Is this info really correct? It's all maybe a bit too similar to 2015?

                                                          Wed 8 July 2015: Samoa v All Blacks (Apia)
                                                          Sat 11 July 2015: Fiji v Maori All Blacks (Suva)

                                                          The All Blacks will play their first Rugby Championship test against Argentina in Buenos Aires on 20 July 2019.

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                                                          • Machpants
                                                            Machpants last edited by

                                                            Yeah sounds like a mix up from 2015, ABs not playing in Samoa

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                                                              Yeahtheboys last edited by

                                                              So the 41 man squad has been named. How many do we take to japan?

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                                                                Hooroo @Yeahtheboys last edited by

                                                                @Yeahtheboys said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:

                                                                So the 41 man squad has been named. How many do we take to japan?

                                                                1. There is discussion on this in the 2019 Rugby Championship thread
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                                                                • Stargazer
                                                                  Stargazer @Yeahtheboys last edited by Stargazer

                                                                  @Yeahtheboys The wider RWC squad hasn'tbeen named yet. The group for the first foundation day has been named. Before the RWC, there's still a (shortened) Rugby Championship to be played, which will probably be used to test some players and see whether they're up to it, or to attempt to bring some players back to match fitness.

                                                                  Edit: the discussion in the Rugby Championship thread starts about here.

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                                                                  • taniwharugby
                                                                    taniwharugby last edited by

                                                                    From Yealden:

                                                                    Good morning. ABs management have confirmed that Damien McKenzie won't be at the foundation day in Wellington. Still no confirmed results on the MRI scans on DMac's right knee but should get confirmation this morning from either ABs coach Steve Hansen or Chiefs coach Colin Cooper (Hansen speaking at 11am; Cooper just after midday) Also Chiefs prop Atu Moli will be attending the foundation day, meaning eight props have been invited - regards NY 🇳🇿🏉

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                                                                      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12222330

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                                                                        canefan @Nogusta last edited by

                                                                        @Nogusta bugger

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                                                                        • Machpants
                                                                          Machpants last edited by

                                                                          With DMac playing full back a lot in the NH tests, both Oz and NZ have lost their incumbent fullback for RWC! Tho it's should be Bender, and Foolau is more a wing

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                                                                          • sparky
                                                                            sparky last edited by

                                                                            Gutted for DMac. He was playing really well again back at Fullback. I really admire the enthusiasm with which he plays the game.

                                                                            Ben Smith will now be the ABs first-choice fullback. Jordie Barrett, David Havili and Will Jordan are the cover after that.

                                                                            3rd Choice First Five is an issue. Stephen Perofeta's likelihood of makinf the RWC just went up significantly.

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                                                                            • Stargazer
                                                                              Stargazer last edited by

                                                                              There's a longer discussion of Dmac's injury in the 2019 Rugby Championship thread.

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                                                                              • Higgins
                                                                                Higgins last edited by Higgins

                                                                                Watched the All Blacks training at Kilbirnie Park a couple of hours back. Took my boots along just in case but quite frankly flatly refuse to play in anything other than Mizuno so when the trainers headed my way got them out of my bag and waved them in their direction only to see them do a quick about turn.

                                                                                As an aside it was rather hilarious watching the ABs sharing the ingoal area in front of the swimming pool with a guy practicing what looked like some sort of Israel Folau sign language yoga. He paid them no attention whatsoever and defended his space magnificently!

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                                                                                • Chris B.
                                                                                  Chris B. last edited by

                                                                                  Interesting question as to how the ABs will re-configure their backs selection - given that DMac was going to take the 3rd first five spot, but probably play in the back three.

                                                                                  Assuming 14 backs and a couple of big assumptions....

                                                                                  Smith, Perenara, TTT

                                                                                  BBarrett, Mo'unga

                                                                                  Crotty, SBW, ALB, Goodhue

                                                                                  BSmith, Ioane, Naholo, JBarrett

                                                                                  Do you use the final pick to pick a third first five or another outside back - or maybe even both and prune another midfield back?

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                                                                                  • sparky
                                                                                    sparky @Chris B. last edited by sparky

                                                                                    @Chris-B

                                                                                    Smith, Perenara, TTT,

                                                                                    BB, Mo'unga

                                                                                    Crotty, Laumape, ALB, Goodhue, Nonu or SBW (depending on fitness).

                                                                                    R Ioane, Jordan, J Barrett, B Smith.

                                                                                    In group play (Namibia or Canada), Crotty and J Barrett to give some cover at 10. Laumape and ALB to give some cover at Wing.

                                                                                    23 for South Africa and the Knock outs:

                                                                                    Joe Moody, Codie Taylor, Owen Franks
                                                                                    Sam Whitelock, Brodie Retallick
                                                                                    Sam Cane, Ardie Savea, Kieran Read
                                                                                    Aaron Smith, Beauden Barrett
                                                                                    Reiko Ioane, Ryan Crotty, Jack Goodhue, Will Jordan
                                                                                    Ben Smith

                                                                                    Bench: Karl Tu'inukuafe, Dane Coles, Nepo Laulala, Scott Barrett, Akira Ioane, TJP, Richie Mo'unga, ALB

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