Super Rugby 2020
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@Bovidae said in Super Rugby 2020:
@KiwiMurph They could just use the same tie breakers as currently (who beats who, points differential).
Sure - but I don't think its a bad time to tweak these sort of things to see if fans like it.
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NRL fans fucking hate golden point
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@mariner4life the ratings say otherwise apparently.
From an article from November on NRL.
Greenberg said reverting to a system where teams finish with a draw if scores are locked up after 80 minutes was not on the table. "No. There has been no discussion with me and certainly I have been a strong proponent for supporting the concept of golden point," he said. "The numbers speak for themselves. When you get to the end of 80 minutes our ratings numbers on both broadcast partners go through the roof when we hit that (golden point) period. "We understand what business we are in. We are in the entertainment business and we are going to continue to find ways to innovate the game and make sure fans are fully engaged with us." -
@KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby 2020:
@mariner4life the ratings say otherwise apparently.
From an article from November on NRL.
Greenberg said reverting to a system where teams finish with a draw if scores are locked up after 80 minutes was not on the table. "No. There has been no discussion with me and certainly I have been a strong proponent for supporting the concept of golden point," he said. "The numbers speak for themselves. When you get to the end of 80 minutes our ratings numbers on both broadcast partners go through the roof when we hit that (golden point) period. "We understand what business we are in. We are in the entertainment business and we are going to continue to find ways to innovate the game and make sure fans are fully engaged with us."what? do they go up at fulltime of a drawn game?
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@mariner4life the way I read that quote is the ratings during the golden point period of a game are higher than the ratings during the regulation (80 minute) period of same game.
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@KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby 2020:
@mariner4life the way I read that quote is the ratings during the golden point period of a game are higher than the ratings during the regulation (80 minute) period of same game.
i can't understand anyone turning on golden point, it's awful football. Two teams playing risk-free football to try and get close enough for shit field goal shot. The refs swallow the whistle and just allow offside after offside, especially on the field goal shot.
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@mariner4life yeah that doesn't make sense. How do you know a game has gone golden point if you're not watching it? Prolly tuned in to watch the game after or the final result and got tricked.
Not sure I like the idea for super rugby but I guess that's the point. The excuse of making sure teams don't end up on the same points is rubbish though.
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Who doesn't want to watch a sneaky dropped scrum for a penalty and then 40 hitups one off the ruck for a chance at a penalty or drop goal?
Why not just end with the scores tied and then the ref can say which team irritated him the most.
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I am against the golden point proposal. Have seen some real travesties in cricket, league and soccer trying this. Very cruel, especially if one team has a fresh long-range drop-kicker to bring on, while the other team has a fatigued kicker whose hammy is slightly strained. A draw is a perfectly fair result. Just make sure that everyone knows the tie-breaker rules well before it counts. The team that has the most to lose will then take the greatest risks to win in the closing stages. The team more likely to progress on tie-breaker will be more conservative in comparison. I am happy with it that way - and none of the fan abuse that soccer piles on those involved in a losing shoot-out. This seems designed purely for TV ratings, regardless of impact on the players.
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@voodoo haha yep, given there are reasonable methods to determine the victor if they are tied at the end of a long season (points for/against, Bonus Points, Tries scored, Cards and only then does it come back to the on field result isnt it?) I dont see why a game has to be determined on the field by something that is just as likely to come down to dumb luck or worse, cynical/negative drawing of a penalty, which they had 80 minutes to do already.
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It's an insult to the intellect of the fan; you can only be entertained if there is a victor.
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I can picture the outcry now if they didn't do a golden point and the winner of the Super Rugby Aotearoa was decided by for/against (I don't mean on the Fern).
I don't see the big deal with using this unique competition to trial some things.
Murphy's Law will probably mean there won't be any draws now (after 80 mins).
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@Bones said in Super Rugby 2020:
@KiwiMurph I don't see how it would guarantee teams not being on the same points at the end of the comp. Wouldn't it be just as likely?
you're spot on. In a 5 team comp, the chance of 2 getting to the same points has to be high. Ironically, a draw may separate folk more than defined win/loss
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@Bones said in Super Rugby 2020:
@KiwiMurph I don't see how it would guarantee teams not being on the same points at the end of the comp. Wouldn't it be just as likely?
Yeah, a team might win a match in golden point, which puts them on equal points as another team (who won in real time), then the golden point team might have more tries which is the tie breaker. So basically a team that had a draw might prevail over a team that had an actual 'win' on the table. That seems a bit messed up.
