Coronavirus - Overall
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@kid-chocolate said in Coronavirus - Overall:
The numbers were inflated bc panicked people were scared to death by their administrative and cultural overlords. For many it was like getting a hangnail and calling an ambulance because they feared gangrene and arm amputation.
@kid-chocolate And there is a lot of truth to what you’re saying. People are truly scared over here, especially the Hispanics, blacks, Asians and liberal white people. That’s my experience as a healthcare worker.
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@antipodean and not fuck it up in some way? seems hard if im honest
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@kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Overall:
i think i just dont think im strong/smart/confident any number of other things to be responsible for another human
Even as a parent, I still think this but my wife decided otherwise
My daughter (only-kid) heads away to university in a week. My emotions feel so conflicted ... huge mix of end-of-era sadness, general worrying, happiness for her.
Only things every parent would agree imo is that being a parent is a rollercoaster and it flashes by.
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@kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Overall:
sometimes i really regret not having kids...and then others i think i just dont think im strong/smart/confident any number of other things to be responsible for another human
That's the reason I never wanted kids but I figure they'd now come in handy to give me a lift back from the pub.
Double jabbed so where am I off to:
Sri Lanka?
Japan?
Morocco?
...... Auckland
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@l_n_p said in Coronavirus - Overall:
5-11 year olds downstream
this chat has already started
Even though I'd probably vaccinate a young kid if I had one again ... I feel strangely conflicted on this.
We vaccinate our kids for MMR (Measles-Mumps-Rubella) and I never thought about it twice as a parent. Just did it. I fully accept Covid is here to stay for now and we live with it.
Just have this gut-feel that vaccinating younger kids may be driven as much or more by commercial opportunity and lobbying (Pfizer, I'm thinking of you ...!) than a genuine need to protect the kids.
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@l_n_p I think the rationale for vaxxing younger kids should be driven by the age demographic of the population.
For example if you didn't do it in sub-saharan africa you'd be leaving an enormous well for covid to reproduce and mutate in.
That's the same SSA that is currently at <10% vaccinated coz the west nabs the jabs -
@l_n_p said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@l_n_p said in Coronavirus - Overall:
5-11 year olds downstream
this chat has already started
Even though I'd probably vaccinate a young kid if I had one again ... I feel strangely conflicted on this.
We vaccinate our kids for MMR (Measles-Mumps-Rubella) and I never thought about it twice as a parent. Just did it. I fully accept Covid is here to stay for now and we live with it.
Just have this gut-feel that vaccinating younger kids may be driven as much or more by commercial opportunity and lobbying (Pfizer, I'm thinking of you ...!) than a genuine need to protect the kids.
I have a mate in the UK whose kids just had covid19. They got pretty sick, welts and swelling, basically like a really strong flu. Lasted some time. They weren't eligible for the vax at that time. Purely anecdotal of course, but I would want to spare my kids the prospect of getting really ill if there was even a small chance
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@canefan If I had young kids again, I'd vaccinate them too.
Mine's grown up now but I feel a bit conflicted at the idea if she was 5? ... my best guess is an emotional and protective parental response vs rational thinking.
Rational always wins for me, but not for a lot of other people. It's why in Europe and UK I think vaccinating kids in the short-term would be a big-picture net loss not a net gain.
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@mariner4life but that shouldn’t be the only criteria for being able to travel. Actually having the virus, as my kids have, should be enough for any medically astute person. Unfortunately it is a one size fits all but what do you expect from government.
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So, if you will wind your mind back to how stupid the "miracle drug" ivermectin shit was, it came about from some ridiculously high concentration screening assay. If that wasn't bad enough, they used the standard vero cells, which are monkey kidney cells, and for the purposes of covid had about zero relevance to the various epithelial cells of the respiratory tract.
It has not only become well known that vero cells are irrelevant for covid, but all this shit is creating useless treatments for people around the world.
All those fuckwits who call themselves "front line doctors for covid" or whatever, should have their stock trades investigated. At best morons, at worst criminals.
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@tim said in Coronavirus - Overall:
So, if you will wind your mind back to how stupid the "miracle drug" ivermectin shit was, it came about from some ridiculously high concentration screening assay. If that wasn't bad enough, they used the standard vero cells, which are monkey kidney cells, and for the purposes of covid had about zero relevance to the various epithelial cells of the respiratory tract.
It has not only become well known that vero cells are irrelevant for covid, but all this shit is creating useless treatments for people around the world.
All those fuckwits who call themselves "front line doctors for covid" or whatever, should have their stock trades investigated. At best morons, at worst criminals.
They are snake oil salesmen preying on the impressionable and ignorant. Plenty of those to go around right now
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When I was using lung cancer cell lines for developing some genomic methods, I was using them because they consistently displayed a disease phenotype (to say the least), and were very easy to culture and maintain. The idea of using them to use in a library screen would have been insane. Let alone to use that as the basis of telling the public to use a drug. I've never heard of anything more stupid.
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@broughie said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@dogmeat the dangled carrot but the fluffy bunnies still won’t relinquish control. You are still a potentially infectious person.
But the government are unequivocally knobends
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wow, that was a distressing watch, whether COVID is what killed him or not...it seems pretty obvious he should be in hospital
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@kiwiwomble I wonder if Ireland has a culpable homicide law?
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KENILWORTH, N.J. & MIAMI--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- Merck (NYSE: MRK), known as MSD outside the United States and Canada, and Ridgeback Biotherapeutics today announced that molnupiravir (MK-4482, EIDD-2801), an investigational oral antiviral medicine, significantly reduced the risk of hospitalization or death at a planned interim analysis of the Phase 3 MOVe-OUT trial in at risk, non-hospitalized adult patients with mild-to-moderate COVID-19. At the interim analysis, molnupiravir reduced the risk of hospitalization or death by approximately 50%; 7.3% of patients who received molnupiravir were either hospitalized or died through Day 29 following randomization (28/385), compared with 14.1% of placebo-treated patients (53/377); p=0.0012. Through Day 29, no deaths were reported in patients who received molnupiravir, as compared to 8 deaths in patients who received placebo. At the recommendation of an independent Data Monitoring Committee and in consultation with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), recruitment into the study is being stopped early due to these positive results. Merck plans to submit an application for Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) to the U.S. FDA as soon as possible based on these findings and plans to submit marketing applications to other regulatory bodies worldwide.
Somewhat low numbers of patients hospitalised, in both trial arms, for drawing conclusions from. Study was stopped to offer all patients drug though, due to good interim results.
Derek Lowe blog post:
https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/molnupiravir-thor-s-hammer-delivers