Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@broughie prior to yesterday I believe they were still negotiating with Aus and maybe the Islands about a travel bubble (I think Thailand had also expressed interest in a bubble?) but now, I think NZ have proven our own border control isnt robust enough to start doing that with anyone.
Fools.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@broughie prior to yesterday I believe they were still negotiating with Aus and maybe the Islands about a travel bubble (I think Thailand had also expressed interest in a bubble?) but now, I think NZ have proven our own border control isnt robust enough to start doing that with anyone.
Fools.
It illustrates how difficult a transtasman bubble, or any bubble will be to manage. These two ladies travelled UK-Doha(?)-Brisbane-Auckland. If we can't stop people coming in the back door already what hope have we got with a bubble?
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@broughie said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I am interested, since I am not in NZ, how long before international travel will be permitted. I would imagine there would be no tourism if you have to quarantine for 2 weeks before you start your trip. Is the belief that this virus will burn out and disappear because I think most people believe there will be at least a second wave and who knows if there will be a vaccine. How would NZ deal with this second wave.
International travel? Unrestricted? That will likely depend where to and from. Pacific Islands and Aus maybe not that long, anywhere else will depend on what happens.
As for a second wave, it will have to be treated differently. We can't just keep shutting the country down. If it didn't work the first time what makes anyone think it would work next time? Or again after that.
I think civil disobedience would be the result (and as someone mentioned political suicide).
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@Snowy yeah I think it would have to be out of control for them to try and lock us in again, and even then, I agree, civil disobedience would be the result.
Man I really hope this one turns out to be nothing and no one has caught it from them.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Snowy yeah I think it would have to be out of control for them to try and lock us in again, and even then, I agree, civil disobedience would be the result.
Man I really hope this one turns out to be nothing and no one has caught it from them.
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@Snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@broughie said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I am interested, since I am not in NZ, how long before international travel will be permitted. I would imagine there would be no tourism if you have to quarantine for 2 weeks before you start your trip. Is the belief that this virus will burn out and disappear because I think most people believe there will be at least a second wave and who knows if there will be a vaccine. How would NZ deal with this second wave.
International travel? Unrestricted? That will likely depend where to and from. Pacific Islands and Aus maybe not that long, anywhere else will depend on what happens.
As for a second wave, it will have to be treated differently. We can't just keep shutting the country down. If it didn't work the first time what makes anyone think it would work next time? Or again after that.
I think civil disobedience would be the result (and as someone mentioned political suicide).
If we have hospital resources in place (frankly there is no excuse for them not to be) we may just need to go Swedish, some businesses barely survived the first wave
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@canefan I don't think you can really compare two people travelling from a COVID hotspot with an extended trans Ta$man bubble with no community transmission in either country. The first poses way more risk.
I listened to several interviews with residents of both the Cooks and Samoa which suggested their is not the broad enthusiasm for a South Pacific bubble we have been led to believe. Comments could be summarised as absentee hotel owners might be keen but we don't want your feelthee disease
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Is better to come clean now ladies, so they can start contact tracing from your movements than lie, and probably end up with your family villified (assuming they lied of course)
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12340693
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@broughie said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I am interested, since I am not in NZ, how long before international travel will be permitted. I would imagine there would be no tourism if you have to quarantine for 2 weeks before you start your trip. Is the belief that this virus will burn out and disappear because I think most people believe there will be at least a second wave and who knows if there will be a vaccine. How would NZ deal with this second wave.
International travel? Unrestricted? That will likely depend where to and from. Pacific Islands and Aus maybe not that long, anywhere else will depend on what happens.
As for a second wave, it will have to be treated differently. We can't just keep shutting the country down. If it didn't work the first time what makes anyone think it would work next time? Or again after that.
I think civil disobedience would be the result (and as someone mentioned political suicide).
If we have hospital resources in place (frankly there is no excuse for them not to be) we may just need to go Swedish, some businesses barely survived the first wave
Except also protect nursing homes and the vulnerable.
Its an approach that I always preferred. Focus on the vulnerable and additional advised approaches like working at home, temperature readings, stopping travel from high risk countries etc. Rather than the nanny state, treat people like children, destroy the economy and lives approach. Trust people and treat them like mature adults and 99% will respond well. If anyone is sick and out and about then and only then involve the police. But not excessive powers as they have been given
Edit. And appoint competent people to manage the whole operation. Like sick people arriving in the country from a high risk country should not be able to travel throughout the country as they have
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan I don't think you can really compare two people travelling from a COVID hotspot with an extended trans Ta$man bubble with no community transmission in either country. The first poses way more risk.
I listened to several interviews with residents of both the Cooks and Samoa which suggested their is not the broad enthusiasm for a South Pacific bubble we have been led to believe. Comments could be summarised as absentee hotel owners might be keen but we don't want your feelthee disease
I'm just saying it is complex. You have to
- Stop community transmission in both countries
- Not allow for any contact of passengers from risk areas with bubble passengers, right down to use of same bathrooms and contact surface areas
- Have a robust contact tracing system in place
I don't think we are nearly ready
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@Winger said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@broughie said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I am interested, since I am not in NZ, how long before international travel will be permitted. I would imagine there would be no tourism if you have to quarantine for 2 weeks before you start your trip. Is the belief that this virus will burn out and disappear because I think most people believe there will be at least a second wave and who knows if there will be a vaccine. How would NZ deal with this second wave.
International travel? Unrestricted? That will likely depend where to and from. Pacific Islands and Aus maybe not that long, anywhere else will depend on what happens.
As for a second wave, it will have to be treated differently. We can't just keep shutting the country down. If it didn't work the first time what makes anyone think it would work next time? Or again after that.
I think civil disobedience would be the result (and as someone mentioned political suicide).
If we have hospital resources in place (frankly there is no excuse for them not to be) we may just need to go Swedish, some businesses barely survived the first wave
Except also protect nursing homes and the vulnerable.
Exactly
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This is great news:
"On Wednesday, Dr Bloomfield revealed there have been 320 close contacts identified with the two new Covid-19 cases."As for this:
"In this instance, these individuals should have been tested prior to leaving the managed isolation facility.No shit. I would have thought that was incredibly obvious. You just let 2 people who have the disease come into contact with 320 other people.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I listened to several interviews with residents of both the Cooks and Samoa which suggested their is not the broad enthusiasm for a South Pacific bubble we have been led to believe. Comments could be summarised as absentee hotel owners might be keen but we don't want your feelthee disease
If I was them I wouldn't be in a hurry either. If we think our health system can't ope, they would be in the shit big time
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@Snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
This is great news:
"On Wednesday, Dr Bloomfield revealed there have been 320 close contacts identified with the two new Covid-19 cases."As for this:
"In this instance, these individuals should have been tested prior to leaving the managed isolation facility.No shit. I would have thought that was incredibly obvious. You just let 2 people who have the disease come into contact with 320 other people.
So much for "we didn't get in contact with anyone"
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Snowy that we know of....
@canefan I thnk that is the ones on the flight, quarantine and border staff, not the unknowns.
It does illustrate the difficulties of keeping future bubble passengers away from those outside the bubble. It's not just about social distancing, it's about not sharing contact areas, airport personnel....
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@canefan yep, which is why if sharing bubbles, you do so with others who have zero infections to avoid isolation.
I went to the LIbrary today to get a book, looked up something in thier catelogue on one of the communal PCs, used the available sanitiser straight after, got the book out via the so-close-to contactless service, santised again (I had to touch a screen once with my knuckle to start process)
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan yep, which is why if sharing bubbles, you do so with others who have zero infections to avoid isolation.
I went to the LIbrary today to get a book, looked up something in thier catelogue on one of the communal PCs, used the available sanitiser straight after, got the book out via the so-close-to contactless service, santised again (I had to touch a screen once with my knuckle to start process)
They will need to separate areas for passengers in transit from countries outside the bubble and those travelling within. Sharing bathrooms and food service areas isn't going to cut it
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@canefan surely the majority of that number were on the plane?
I agree with @Kirwan that I hope they don't get doxed but they have apparently lied - and for me the kicker was the person not fessing up about symptoms. Blaming them on a pre-existing condition (hayfever maybe?) is utter BS given the sensitivity around Covid.
Also in agreement about reviewing all available info on their wee (or lack of!!) jaunt across the north island.
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