Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@Stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan Once the app is on your phone, you don't have to sign in every time. Only when you set up the account. It's a very easy app to use. Very quick to scan the QR codes.
So it won't ask me to log in again? Coz I'm not going to remember the password.
OK so signed up. Thank goodness for auto save on my phone
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@canefan I've already forgotten my password (should have written it down, but I'm sure there will be a "forgotten password" solution if I ever need it). I only downloaded the app a few days ago and have used it a couple of times without being asked for my password.
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I had to reset my phone on Friday and when I restored everything it signed straight back in when I opened it.
Have any of those in managed isolation been in ICU?
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I just downloaded the covid19 app (I don't know why I bother, I never go anywhere interesting). I'm asked to sign up and have to provide a 10 character password. What the fuck? Why even have a password if you want me to use it? My bank doesn't even ask for 10 characters
So picking on you here as an example but months after being asked to download and use the tracing app you finally get round to it but have spent lots of time criticising the actions of others?
That’s what I was talking about before.
So if you got infected and the outbreak spread because of a struggle to trace your movements that’s the fault of the system for not forcing you?
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@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I just downloaded the covid19 app (I don't know why I bother, I never go anywhere interesting). I'm asked to sign up and have to provide a 10 character password. What the fuck? Why even have a password if you want me to use it? My bank doesn't even ask for 10 characters
So picking on you here as an example but months after being asked to download and use the tracing app you finally get round to it but have spent lots of time criticising the actions of others?
That’s what I was talking about before.
So if you got infected and the outbreak spread because of a struggle to trace your movements that’s the fault of the system for not forcing you?
Blame game.Fair call mate. My life is pretty boring, it rarely moves out of routine. But when I was at work during L3 and L2 we contact traced everyone, got everyone to fill out full covid19 questionnaires. When I got a sniffle I submitted to a covid19 test and self isolated the whole family until that test was returned negative, even when people we knew were being advised by their GPs that it wasn't necessary. Which is crazy. App aside I've been more careful than many, or even most
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@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
After doing an update the app asked for sign in again. For some reason the password wasn’t saved either. Good thing was that the forgot password process was pretty quick and painless
I had the same problem, as I couldn't remember the password I originally used (it wasn't what I thought I had used). I've used the app 5 times over the last 3 days without any issues. The fact that some staff are saying thank you for using it suggests to me that many still can't be bothered. That is a problem, and comes back to personal responsibility.
One thing I did notice from earlier iterations of the app, is that you only scan on entry and not on exiting a store/business.
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@Bovidae said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
After doing an update the app asked for sign in again. For some reason the password wasn’t saved either. Good thing was that the forgot password process was pretty quick and painless
I had the same problem, as I couldn't remember the password I originally used (it wasn't what I thought I had used). I've used the app 5 times over the last 3 days without any issues. The fact that some staff are saying thank you for using it suggests to me that many still can't be bothered. That is a problem, and comes back to personal responsibility.
One thing I did notice from earlier iterations of the app, is that you only scan on entry and not on exiting a store/business.
The problem, in my mind, is that it requires a conscious effort to use it. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm often so busy I forget to do lots of little things in my normal day. It would be ideal to have a system that doesn't require manual tracing
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So, in NZ once you have the app do you still need to sign in at places over there?
Here in Sydney it's a bit confusing. They pushed the app a few months ago as one stop but now it seems that it's just something we need to have while all tracing is done depending on the venue.
So for example, I've experienced all of these options at different multiple times:
Pub A: Show that the app is live and you're good.
Pub B: Show app, and sign in at the door.
Cafe A: Sign in at the door.
Cafe B: Use QR code to sign in adding your info to the premise's own site. This is straight up the most annoying one as you need to type full name, phone, email and sometimes postcode in each time. And I've found a bunch of them straight up don't allow autofill.Also, I've experienced every one of these options at one cafe over a two week period.
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@Nepia said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
So, in NZ once you have the app do you still need to sign in at places over there?
Legally no (this was a question in today's press conference) - it's app or the manual registers but doesn't have to be both. In practice, places often make everyone fill in the manual (paper) register because they aren't sure (as in your examples) and they have to provide both because some people don't have phones (or a phone that can run the app).
I've been using the app since it was available, and it allows manual entry so if there's no QR code at a place, you can still note something, and resetting the password is easy enough, albeit annoying that it randomly signs out from time to time.
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Another potential hole in the Kiwi wall? A patient of mine is aircrew, said when she flew up to LA they never even left the airport. They were holed up in an airport hotel until it was time to come home
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Another potential hole in the Kiwi wall? A patient of mine is aircrew, said when she flew up to LA they never even left the airport. They were holed up in an airport hotel until it was time to come home
That’s pretty common with aircrew anyway. Only the new ones play tourist. The rest just watch TV (or get a few supplies)
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@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Another potential hole in the Kiwi wall? A patient of mine is aircrew, said when she flew up to LA they never even left the airport. They were holed up in an airport hotel until it was time to come home
That’s pretty common with aircrew anyway. Only the new ones play tourist. The rest just watch TV (or get a few supplies)
But where they might have stayed in the city (I recall seeing our aircrew out having dinner one trip to Honolulu) they aren't even getting that far. I would expect the risk is pretty low
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@Frank said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I think implanted microchips are the easier way to go.
Won't forget it, small........@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan >
A microchip would be so much easier......Copying my jokes now I see.
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@Frank said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Frank said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I think implanted microchips are the easier way to go.
Won't forget it, small........@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
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A microchip would be so much easier......Copying my jokes now I see.
That's not a joke, that's a brilliant idea!! Besides, everyone steals off everyone, so get over it already 😉😁
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@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@No-Quarter said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
On the flip side to govt errors, I'm not listening to one whinge about lockdown levels unless those making it can confirm that they are also being sensible.
I can't believe the number of people that are walking past requests to sanitise in shops, not using the QR codes, standing in close groups chatting, grouping in aisles of shops to talk, stopping in doorways etc etc.
They will all moan and blame others for failures but can't do the basics themselves FFS.Fuck we have a bad blame culture in this country.
Sorry Crucial, but get the fuck out of here with that shit. We complied with the most draconian lockdown in the world and completely gave up our rights for ~6 weeks while businesses died and peoples mental health deteriorated. I heard Bloomfield speak recently and he said he was surprised by how compliant the population was (in a good way).
We then didn't only flatten the curve, we smashed the fucking thing. We then heard our government heaping praise on themselves saying we were the envy of the world.
While this was happening there was countless "compassionate" exemptions being granted, including two women WITH Covid that somehow managed to drive the length of the North Island without stopping. Which is of course completely ridiculous, but apparently the government thought we were stupid enough to believe that. We now find out that most staff at the border aren't even being tested? WTF?
People are pissed because it's been obvious for a while that it's been nothing but blind luck stopping another outbreak. I said earlier in the thread that it was inevitable we would get another outbreak, not because the virus simply cannot be contained, but because there was no way we were going to contain it with the incompetence of this current government who were too busy reading their own press to actually plug the many holes at our border.
"Go hard and go early" is the mantra of the government, all while our border leaks like a sieve. It beggars belief.
Good rant but I fail to see what that has to do with people bitching about govt failures while happily doing shit that would also add to any issue. Hypocrisy.
That’s not a rant, this is a rant. I’ll tell you what I’m not listening to, people who keep excusing incompetence from a government that won’t take responsibility for anything.
We were told the virus was eliminated:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12327811
If the government does its job and keeps the virus on the other side of the border there is no “issue” to add to with our “shit”. If anything gets through the border that’s the government’s responsibility and their fault.
We still don’t know if this resurgence is from incompetence at the border or from other reasons. A simple incorrect test result could be a reason and why things are not foolproof.
What “other reasons” are there? This is a simple binary state option. It was eliminated or it wasn’t. If it was eliminated then it arrived from an external source, through the border, which it is the government’s job to police. If it wasn’t eliminated then we shouldn’t have been told it had been.
There’s lots not being done as we may like but as explained in this thread by someone in the system these things are never as simple as we may like to think.
Well maybe it’s not too much to ask that when people’s lives and livelihoods are at stake the people in charge get their fucking act together. The fact that it’s not simple is hardly relevant, the government said they had got this and we should give them another term on that basis. Turns out they haven’t got it, it’s not “simple”. If they can’t do this then get the fuck out of the way.
It was always inevitable that we would get more cases one way or another.
Not if everybody does their jobs. The virus doesn’t appear by magic, it is spread. We are trusting these people to make sure they have bulletproof processes in place to stop that happening.
I’m happy to pile on to an avoidable incompetence but the blaming without knowledge achieves nothing.
If it was a National fuckup I’m sure you would pile on.
The government didn’t want to have a mandatory quarantine system and now they’ve got one they can’t run it very well. And when things go wrong it’s not their fault. And their apologists are happy to keep saying “nothing to see here” and “National wouldn’t be any better”. But I’ll tell you what, for all his many faults if it wasn’t for Simon Bridges we’d probably still have isolation on an honour system and who knows where we’d be now.
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan Once the app is on your phone, you don't have to sign in every time. Only when you set up the account. It's a very easy app to use. Very quick to scan the QR codes.
So it won't ask me to log in again? Coz I'm not going to remember the password.
OK so signed up. Thank goodness for auto save on my phone
I also signed up today cos I got sick of writing the same shit down.
My password is NewZealand20Fucking20, just recording it here in case I forget it.