Coronavirus - Australia
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@nta said in Coronavirus - Australia:
So, 31 new cases in NSW apparently - probably means we're headed toward another week of lockdown as numbers aren't dropping.
Also informed that a dozen fuckheads are just wandering around instead of isolating, and personally feel that they should be subject of something like The Purge in order to keep our Darwinism bent intact as a species.
Have been off donating blood products for the first time in 3 years, which is a 25 minute drive away and I made sure to obey all directions.
Went out for my (allowed) exercise today and Darling Square (to those not from Sydney, it's a newish eating area on edge of Darling Harbour and Chinatown) was crazy busy, definitely Sundee level busy and approaching midweek level busy. Granted no one was sitting inside a food place, but, nearly all available outside seating was full. Also, the amount of cars on the road has been steadily increasing too.
Stay At Home Order should be called a Sometimes Stay At Home Order Unless You Want To Eat With Your Mates or Buy Some Games From EB Games.
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
how to have a plan without really having a plan
It is a suggestion to a concept of a plan toward a pathway to a roadmap for a committee to appoint a panel that will engage a consultant to devise a framework to illustrate a formula for a network of roadmaps that will create a pathway to a plan.
All using taxpayer money to help a few Lib mates fatten their wallets.
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@nta said in Coronavirus - Australia:
All using taxpayer money to help a few Lib mates fatten their wallets
as i have said all along, this is not a Lib v Labor thing. They are the same. And they suck.
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This is how bad it's got: A four phase plan.
Phase 1:
- continuing to pursue a suppression strategy of the virus
- aim to vaccinate Australians as fast as possible
- reduce inbound passenger arrivals by 50 per cent
- small-scale trial of home quarantine for returning vaccinated travellers
- agreement to only use lockdowns as "last resort"
Awfully low tolerance for "suppression" and I should imagine the threshold for "last resort" will be even lower. And how long is this phase going to last you ask? Till the end of the year.
Phase 2:
- vaccination threshold will mean lockdowns will only occur in certain extreme settings
- return international caps to previous times
- lockdowns will only be used to minimise serious illness, hospitalisation and death as a result of Covid-19. Threshold for lockdowns is determined by scientific modelling,
"extreme settings". Remember at least three cities have been locked down on one case. And the previous modelling said 100,000 Australians would die. But keep the faith.
Phase 3:
- Covid-19 will be treated like the flu
- restrictions on outbound travel for vaccinated Australians removed,
- travel bubble extended to low-risk countries like Singapore and the Pacific
If covid-19 was treated like the flu in phase three, you'd ask why there's a phase 4. As for "travel bubble", we'll be among the last countries other nations permit into their borders unchecked. We're the leper colony.
Phase 4:
- life returns back to normal.
“Australians are ‘prisoners of our own success’.” GFY fluffybunny.
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@antipodean that is so depressing to read
it essentially means don't travel interstate for the next 6 months because some public official will stick you in quarantine at the drop of a hat
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
We're the leper colony.
We're already leading the leprosy on a number of fronts. Why not this as well?
And right now it plays into the mindset that both sides sell to voters generally about border protection, so they'll eat it up.
They're now talking about 1.3M doses every week. So if we look at roughly 75% of the population who are 19+ that's 19 million or thereabouts to get vaccinated with 2 doses, meaning 38M doses or 29 weeks on that number.
Really that should be the minimum given how long it has taken to spin up the process, but still means my kids likely won't see a vaccine this side of Straya Day.
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@nta said in Coronavirus - Australia:
All using taxpayer money to help a few Lib mates fatten their wallets
as i have said all along, this is not a Lib v Labor thing. They are the same. And they suck.
And if Labor had shown this level of grift and incompetence in the same situation, I'd be after them as well.
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@virgil said in Coronavirus - Australia:
The one thing, the biggest thing Covid has shown the world is that the average politician is completely clueless when it comes to managing crisis like what we have.
They are just utterly useless.
But to be fair when you vote people in based on looks, charisma, personality and being able to bullshit you get what you get.
Countries like the US, UK and Brazil have suffered and continue to suffer because of the idiots in charge.
Here in NZ i think we have done OK, though as it goes on i cant help but feel its more to do with luck then anything else..
How do you explain Anastasia?
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@nepia said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
I reckon Sydney goes into a proper lockdown really soon
I wonder if the Lego store will have to close in a proper lockdown?
sounds right
was chatting to an English ex-pat when travelling south america. Riotting in his city was no bother ... until it closed his favourite kebab shop. Then it was a 'proper' riot
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I've taken the liberty of moving this to the Australia thread.
@rapido said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nepia said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@rapido said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
As an aside, a friend of ours has a sister who is a senior nurse here in NSW. She said they can't believe the approach that the Gov is taking right now with lockdowns and elimination. They have nobody in hospital, are seriously overstaffed for this. They think it's totally absurd.
I don't know if the sentiment is similar in NZ hospitals
I don't think there has been a lockdown in NZ for at least a year. Maybe Aucklanders have had one, I can't remember what they had.
Now sure your point though? NZ has done a great job achieving elimination- at a significant economic cost
Yeah. We're at 100% opposites on this one. I'm of the opinion that not doing local elimination would be a huge economic cost.
As for my point in that post. I don't see how nurses in NZ would think lockdowns for elimination are unbelievable approach when they aren't doing that. It already happened a year ago and they've subsequently returned to their normal but understaffed jobs and lives.
Not lockdowns for elimination, pursuing elimination full-time
I was a supporter of initial lockdowns til we knew what we were dealing with. I'm of the opinion now that we have enough of an idea to forego elimination and come out the other side of this.
Another way to look at it (maybe I'm just a glass half full guy) is that we have endured far less lockdowns than most other countries who weren't aiming for elimination but trying to stay afloat. We've had less strain on our health systems, less deaths, and probably less of an economic impact. There was luck involved but the lockdowns, plus the border controls has meant we've been able to live a larger % of the pandemic timeframe with some semblance of normality.
Not really aimed at you, but I think this post points very much to mine and @voodoo point. We are still doing the exact same thing 15 months later. We have not moved the meter one inch. The same triggers result in the same outcomes.
Here in Australia, some one coughs, and thr government goes "whack" and disrupts the fuck out of everyone's lives exactly the same as when this kicked off. No change in policy means we haven't learned any thing new, haven't taken any extra precautions, or more sinisterly, we aren't being told something.
NZ would be exactly the same if they had to be. Thus far they have not had to pull the trigger.
Morrison's "victims of our success" was at the same time one of the most insulting comments ever, while also being very true from a political standpoint.
Surely the elephant in the room is they learned an absolutely huge lesson 15 months ago. Local eradication was possible and they changed from flatten curve policy to local eradication. A huge lesson and a huge change in policy.
As we've witnessed from the many lockdowns imposed on Australians, eradication isn't possible and with the new more contagious variant, the argument for such a policy becomes specious.
I suspect it is more that you don't like the lesson and the policy change they have made 15 months ago, hence what them to do something different in the subsequent 15 months. Rather than that there are unthinking automations in government rolling out the same tired procedures.
The real problem is the abdication of responsibility and handing it over to unelected officials who aren't jugglling the same criteria as the general public, let alone accountable for their decisions.
Also, this is not aimed at you specifically. But from an anti-eradication argument perspective there are 2 contradicitive arguments going around.
- There is the argument like this one ; not learning, same old policies.
- And other argument; shifting the goalposts - e.g. what happened to flattening the curve, un-used hospitals beds
On the face of it you're correct but it neglects to acknowledge that the change of "flattening the curve to protect and add capacity to the healthcare system" to an unholy rejection of cases at all was not communicated to the general public. It was accepted post hoc following some election results on the back of a largely compliant media.
What is obvious is that the majority of States haven't learnt that their snap lockdowns are unnecessary and the Federal government's response ever since it shut the borders 15 months ago has been an utter fucking shambles.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
The real problem is the abdication of responsibility and handing it over to unelected officials who aren't jugglling the same criteria as the general public, let alone accountable for their decisions.
I'm not sure our federal elected officials consider themselves accountable for anything