Coronavirus - Australia
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Remember "queensland hospitals are for queenslanders"?
A catch cry of any QLD pollie wanting re-election. The Palace Chook could murder a baby at Roma St station and as long as she claimed it was to stop Southerners putting the Sunshine State in danger, she'd win an election the next day.
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@kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
I remember hearing terms like "sick-toria" a hell of a lot from NSW last year
COVID dickwaving between the States is actually part of the reason we are where we are. No fucking Premier is better than another on that point. fluffybunnies.
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@nta said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Remember "queensland hospitals are for queenslanders"?
A catch cry of any QLD pollie wanting re-election. The Palace Chook could murder a baby at Roma St station and as long as she claimed it was to stop Southerners putting the Sunshine State in danger, she'd win an election the next day.
you will get no disagreement from me on that point.
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@kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@antipodean are you suggesting NSW just lets it run and either is shut off from the rest of Aus or the rest of Aus needs to accept NSW has made a decisions for the whole country?
I'm suggesting a nuanced response. And if fucksticks in other states are going to cry about the preeminent city in Australia ruining it for them they can go back to doing what they did all of last year - closing their borders.
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
I remember hearing terms like "sick-toria" a hell of a lot from NSW last year
COVID dickwaving between the States is actually part of the reason we are where we are. No fucking Premier is better than another on that point. fluffybunnies.
agreed, i just hate hypocrisy, last years Vic was being told by everyone else to do the right thing and now its in NSW its a different story
same with Gladys wanting all vaccines diverted to NSW..two months ago when we had lockdown 4 she flat out refused to send any to vic
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@bayimports said in Coronavirus - Australia:
wow..I woudnt be surprised if these new restrictions dont create more problems than they're hoping of resolving, its a guess of course, but I suspect their will be anger at some of the new restrictions
Residents of the eight LGA hotspots – including Fairfield, Canterbury-Bankstown, Liverpool, Cumberland, Blacktown, Parramatta, George's River and Campbelltown – will now "need to make sure you wear a mask now at all times".
"If you step foot outside your household, you need to wear a mask at all times. It doesn't matter where it is," Ms Berejiklian said.
"We're seeing too much evidence of people who are not wearing masks when they need to, or if they are outdoors, they're coming into contact with other people and not having a mask.
Residents of those LGAs must can also only move within a 5km radius of their home from midnight tomorrow.The problem here is the residents in those LGAs aren't going to abide by the rules. Clearly they haven't been thus far.
There are a lot of people in those areas who are abiding, unfortunately as you also point out, there are alot who are not as well, but I suspect even more will not abide now
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@kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
I remember hearing terms like "sick-toria" a hell of a lot from NSW last year
COVID dickwaving between the States is actually part of the reason we are where we are. No fucking Premier is better than another on that point. fluffybunnies.
agreed, i just hate hypocrisy, last years Vic was being told by everyone else to do the right thing and now its in NSW its a different story
same with Gladys wanting all vaccines diverted to NSW..two months ago when we had lockdown 4 she flat out refused to send any to vic
As I've said before - she's lucky the next state election isn't until 2023 AND that the ALP here are about as hopeless as the LNP in Victoria.
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@nta said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
I remember hearing terms like "sick-toria" a hell of a lot from NSW last year
COVID dickwaving between the States is actually part of the reason we are where we are. No fucking Premier is better than another on that point. fluffybunnies.
agreed, i just hate hypocrisy, last years Vic was being told by everyone else to do the right thing and now its in NSW its a different story
same with Gladys wanting all vaccines diverted to NSW..two months ago when we had lockdown 4 she flat out refused to send any to vic
As I've said before - she's lucky the next state election isn't until 2023 AND that the ALP here are about as hopeless as the LNP in Victoria.
and the LNP in Qld. And the opposition in WA
Basically the State Premiers are that fucking safe they can do what ever the hell they want.
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@nta said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Ha! Just got a message from a mate in Adelaide: "When is your next election? Surely Gladimir is fucked?"
lol, thats quite good
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@bayimports said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@nta said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Ha! Just got a message from a mate in Adelaide: "When is your next election? Surely Gladimir is fucked?"
lol, thats quite good
Yeah I thought so. Maybe I'll steal that and modify it to Gladymir
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@nta said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Ha! Just got a message from a mate in Adelaide: "When is your next election? Surely Gladimir is fucked?"
Do people blame the Government for this outbreak? Sure a few nuts on Twitter do, but in the real world I think most people realise how contageous this is and how hard it is to contain.
My friends and family are frustrated with the situation, but not really the Government. Hard to see how they could lockdown any harder than they are now.
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@kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@antipodean are you suggesting NSW just lets it run and either is shut off from the rest of Aus or the rest of Aus needs to accept NSW has made a decisions for the whole country?
I remember hearing terms like "sick-toria" a hell of a lot from NSW last year
I work with a lot of folk from Sydney and regional NSW and they had nothing but sympathy for the long lockdowns, curfews etc in Melbourne.
Getting caught up in the us vs them, “lock ‘em out” stuff has actually contributed to the mental health challenges that many have faced.
Friends who are constantly reading Facebook and hanging on everything from a press conference, have really struggled and they have tied themselves in knots on social media debating the so called rights and wrongs of what one state is doing against another. At least what I can tell it has not served them well.
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@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@nta said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Ha! Just got a message from a mate in Adelaide: "When is your next election? Surely Gladimir is fucked?"
Do people blame the Government for this outbreak? Sure a few nuts on Twitter do, but in the real world I think most people realise how contageous this is and how hard it is to contain.
My friends and family are frustrated with the situation, but not really the Government. Hard to see how they could lockdown any harder than they are now.
Come on mate, don’t get between Nick and a rant about Gladys…. no matter how misplaced it is
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@act-crusader said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@antipodean are you suggesting NSW just lets it run and either is shut off from the rest of Aus or the rest of Aus needs to accept NSW has made a decisions for the whole country?
I remember hearing terms like "sick-toria" a hell of a lot from NSW last year
Friends who are constantly reading Facebook and hanging on everything from a press conference, have really struggled and they have tied themselves in knots on social media debating the so called rights and wrongs of what one state is doing against another. At least what I can tell it has not served them well.
It's always a point worth repeating - social media isn't the real world, especially Twitter.
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There's a range of people blaming the government for not going harder, sooner. I'm one of them, and I actually voted for Gladys last time around because I think LNP NSW are generally the best option.
There are of course people more directly affected by the lockdown who are blaming anyone they can.
The comparison between Andrews doing a short-sharp and Gladys vacillating is notable, in pure numbers terms. It doesn't tell the whole story of course.
Getting away from social media and anecdotal evidence, the way in which the early "lockdown" was reported in the Eastern Suburbs LGAs versus how the 8 Western LGAs creates a perception bias.
I think what would help a lot of the conjecture is not only reporting which Health District the cases are coming from, but which Health District the testing cases are coming from.
Would give it more proportionality. e.g. if 1 new case happened in Southeastern Sydney LHD and there were 5,000 tests done for residents in that LHD, it is roughly the same outcome as 10 new cases in 50,000 tests for Western Sydney LHD.
And in that sense, why not have everyone subject to the same mask rules? "Oh because families in SW Sydney can't be trusted, that's why"
Edit: you know who else can't be trusted? These guys:
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fair enough re social media, i can confirm i heard it quite a lot IRL too, on works calls with people in sydney, "why can vic just stay home and get it under control" and lots of variations on that
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@nta said in Coronavirus - Australia:
There's a range of people blaming the government for not going harder, sooner. I'm one of them, and I actually voted for Gladys last time around because I think LNP NSW are generally the best option.
It's all easy in hindsight. We got through earlier outbreaks without the need for a lockdown, so I think it was fair enough for them to take the same approach when this one broke out.
And now we've got a hard lockdown and it's still spreading, so that's clearly not the only thing that needs to happen to get numbers down.
Putting my right wing hat on for a second, the solution to this problem isn't just Government, it's about personal responsibility. Clearly people are still working/traveling/seeing others while they are sick. You can have all the rules you want, but if people aren't willing to follow them then it's all irrelevant.
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@barbarian in fairness the NSW hard is still a bit softer than we went through
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@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Australia:
It's all easy in hindsight. We got through earlier outbreaks without the need for a lockdown, so I think it was fair enough for them to take the same approach when this one broke out.
Without considering the epidemiological differences presented by Delta. Which is a blistering kind of ignorance, if we're adults about it.