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    • gt12
      gt12 last edited by Duluth

      <p>Not sure if there was a thread already about this, but we can assume that we'll have a few more situations like this coming in the next few weeks (sadly).</p>
      <p> </p>
      <p>Pollard gooooonnne... poor bastard.</p>
      <p> </p>
      <p>Not really a fan off off season deals in other countries. I wonder if tehere may be more bad news for SA teams, because there have been a lot of them over here playing and picking up some extra cash. But, at what cost?</p>
      <p> </p>
      <p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/76726801/handre-pollard-out-of-super-rugby-season-after-suffering-freak-training-accident'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/76726801/handre-pollard-out-of-super-rugby-season-after-suffering-freak-training-accident</a></p>
      <p> </p>
      <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote">
      <p class=""><span>South Africa and Bulls first five-eighth Handre Pollard will miss the Super Rugby season, the test series against Ireland and the Rugby Championship after rupturing knee ligaments in a freak training accident.</span></p>
      <p class=""><span>He will undergo surgery on Wednesday and could be sidelined for nine months, Bulls coach Nollis Marais said.</span></p>
      <p class=""><span>"Handre was easing back into training, his first phase of final rehab before being cleared to play and was busy with a passing drill when he injured himself," Marais said.</span></p>
      <p class=""><span>"This is pretty devastating for all of us as Handre was a key player for us."</span></p>
      <p class=""><span>Pollard was undergoing fitness tests with the Bulls on his first day back at the franchise since returning from Japan where he had been playing club rugby.</span></p>
      <p class=""><span>The 21-year-old has won 20 test caps for the Springboks since making his debut in 2014 and was among South Africa's leading performers when they finished third at last year's Rugby World Cup.</span></p>
      <p class=""><span>He recently extended his contract with the Pretoria-based Super Rugby franchise until 2019 but was allowed to play in Japan for three months after the World Cup.</span></p>
      <p class=""><span>The Bulls start their Super Rugby campaign on February 27.</span></p>
      <p> </p>
      </blockquote>
      <p> </p>

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      • S
        SouthernMan last edited by

        <p>Bit of an update from the Highlanders; </p>
        <p> </p>
        <p>Richard Buckman will get further scans tomorrow, will probably decide whether it's just a long lay off or he's out for the season. </p>
        <p> </p>
        <p>Alex Ainley and Dan Pryor set to be available again shortly. </p>

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        • Hooroo
          Hooroo last edited by

          <p>Gutted for Buckman. Who would be a likely replacement</p>

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          • Billy Tell
            Billy Tell last edited by

            <p>Does anyone else think Buckman was an outside bet for an ABs squad (in the midfield)?</p>
            <p> </p>
            <p>Over the years I went from thinking he was pure journeyman to not too bad to pretty good actually to maybe maybe a possible AB.</p>
            <p> </p>
            <p>Or am I completely deluded?</p>

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            • gt12
              gt12 last edited by

              <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Billy Tell" data-cid="557828" data-time="1455084173">
              <div>
              <p>Does anyone else think Buckman was an outside bet for an ABs squad (in the midfield)?</p>
              <p> </p>
              <p>Over the years I went from thinking he was pure journeyman to not too bad to pretty good actually to maybe maybe a possible AB.</p>
              <p> </p>
              <p>Or am I completely deluded?</p>
              </div>
              </blockquote>
              <p> </p>
              <p>Probably a bit from column A and a bit from column B ;)</p>
              <p> </p>
              <p>Seriously though, the timing is horrible. A good run of games and he would have been right in with a shot, I'd imagine.</p>

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                Crash last edited by

                <p>Last couple of seasons Buckman has featured heavily for the Landers, may have been an outsider for the ABs,</p>
                <p>Not a fan of the pre-season games either. Injuries always seem to occur,  </p>

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                • Stargazer
                  Stargazer last edited by

                  <p>I think Buckman was already on the All Blacks radar as he played for the NZ Barbarians side that trashed the Maori All Blacks last year.</p>

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                    hydro11 last edited by

                    <p>I reckon Buckman has a bit of Ben Smith in him. He's a very intelligent rugby player and he could have provided balance to a lot of our explosive young backs. Hopefully, the injury isn't too serious.</p>

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                    • Stargazer
                      Stargazer last edited by

                      <p>That's shit news for the Buck-truck</p>
                      <p> </p>
                      <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote">
                      <p><strong><span style="font-size:18px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Highlanders back Richard Buckman ruled out for Super Rugby season</span></span></strong></p>
                      <p> </p>
                      <p><span style="font-size:12px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">LOGAN SAVORY</span></span></p>
                      <p><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><span>Last updated 21:08, February 11 2016</span></span></span></p>
                      <p> </p>
                      <p><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Richard Buckman is set for a season of off-field promotions - rather than lining up in the 2016 Super Rugby competition - but he remains positive.</span></span></p>
                      <p> </p>
                      <p><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Buckman injured his shoulder while scoring a try in the Highlanders' first pre-season fixture against French club Racing 92 in Hong Kong on Saturday.</span></span></p>
                      <p> </p>
                      <p><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">The hope was he would would be sidelined for seven weeks and would be able to rejoin the Highlanders for the second half of the competition.</span></span></p>
                      <p> </p>
                      <p><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">However, he was handed the news on Wednesday night which he didn't want - he requires surgery and will miss the remainder of the campaign.</span></span></p>
                      <p> </p>
                      <p><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">"It is obviously pretty disappointing, I was looking forward to another big season trying to defend that title. But it is just one of those things you can't do too much about now and look forward to the future and see the positives and get all my injuries right," he said.</span></span></p>
                      <p> </p>
                      <p><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">"I went and saw the surgeon last night and he gave me the news which was pretty tough. It was a tough sleep last night."</span></span></p>
                      <p> </p>
                      <p><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">He will spend the new few weeks strengthening the shoulder before surgery in March.</span></span></p>
                      <p> </p>
                      <p><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Buckman has been an unlikely star for the Highlanders since 2014, when he made the move from the Hurricanes, where he saw little game time.</span></span></p>
                      <p> </p>
                      <p><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">The utility back has proved more than useful, both on the wing and in the midfield, and the man dubbed the Barracuda has developed a cult following.</span></span></p>
                      <p> </p>
                      <p><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Much of that can be put down to his Highlanders team-mate Joe Wheeler, who created a song in his honour.</span></span></p>
                      <p> </p>
                      <p><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Wheeler and his team-mates pulled out the song at the aftermatch function in Hong Kong as a tribute to Buckman, which proved an internet hit.</span></span></p>
                      <p> </p>
                      <p><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">"I was getting an x-ray at the time, I think he was looking for that limelight again. No he's a good man, I'm just not sure how he's got that song back out there."</span></span></p>
                      <p> </p>
                      <p><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"> - Stuff</span></span></p>
                      </blockquote>

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                        mooshld last edited by

                        <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="hydro11" data-cid="557988" data-time="1455166998">
                        <div>
                        <p>I reckon Buckman has a bit of Ben Smith in him. He's a very intelligent rugby player and he could have provided balance to a lot of our explosive young backs. Hopefully, the injury isn't too serious.</p>
                        </div>
                        </blockquote>
                        <p>I second this last season he really punched well above his weight. </p>

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                        • Bones
                          Bones last edited by

                          <p>Gutted about Buckman, he became a huge asset in the backline last season - real gutsy player and was starting to read the game better and better, the perfect midfield partner for someone as explosive and erratic (in a good way) as Fekitoa.</p>

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                          • ACT Crusader
                            ACT Crusader last edited by

                            That really sucks for Buckman. It didn't look good when he came off holding his arm like that. I thought he was superb last season. He's got good size and was often a bail out option to get over the gain line and straighten the attack. Reliable defender as well.

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                            • Unco
                              Unco last edited by

                              <p>How many players are already out for the entire season? Laulala, Buckman, Pollard and any others?</p>
                              <p> </p>
                              <p>Chiefs suffered another injury today, Vaipulu. I know Rennie said they're lowering the intensity a bit at training because they're conscious of the injuries but so far it seems like the same old.</p>

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                                leytonandamanda last edited by

                                And Mitch karpik injured and had his arm in a sling<br><br><br>
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                                • Stargazer
                                  Stargazer last edited by

                                  <p>We'll have to wait and see how serious they are, but these are the casualties from yesterday's training and today's Blues v Hurricanes preseason game: </p>
                                  <p> </p>
                                  <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote">
                                  <p><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:14px;">TJ Perenara, Brad Shields, Motu Matu'u, Matt Proctor, Leni Apisai, Willis Halaholo and Ben May were among the Hurricanes forced from the field. Locks Blade Thomson and James Blackwell had injured themselves the day before, while the team was still in camp up in Gisborne.</span></p>
                                  </blockquote>
                                  <p> </p>
                                  <p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/76858839/blues-come-out-best-in-super-rugby-clash-with-hurricanes'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/76858839/blues-come-out-best-in-super-rugby-clash-with-hurricanes</a></p>

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                                  • Unco
                                    Unco last edited by

                                    <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="leytonandamanda" data-cid="558383" data-time="1455277511">
                                    <div>
                                    <p>And Mitch karpik injured and had his arm in a sling<br><br><br>
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                                    </blockquote>
                                    <p> </p>
                                    <p>Yeah, forgot about that one, though I thought it was the knee he hurt?</p>
                                    <p> </p>
                                    <p>Wow at that Canes injury list.</p>

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                                    • No Quarter
                                      No Quarter last edited by

                                      I wonder how much value teams really get out of these pre-season games, and with such a long season now if they should think about scrapping them.

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                                      • G
                                        Glath last edited by

                                        <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Stargazer" data-cid="558518" data-time="1455345246">
                                        <div>
                                        <p>We'll have to wait and see how serious they are, but these are the casualties from yesterday's training and today's Blues v Hurricanes preseason game: </p>
                                        <p> </p>
                                        <p> </p>
                                        <p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/76858839/blues-come-out-best-in-super-rugby-clash-with-hurricanes'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/76858839/blues-come-out-best-in-super-rugby-clash-with-hurricanes</a></p>
                                        </div>
                                        </blockquote>
                                        <p>Christ.</p>

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                                          milkshake last edited by

                                          <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="No Quarter" data-cid="558527" data-time="1455351552">
                                          <div>
                                          <p>I wonder how much value teams really get out of these pre-season games, and with such a long season now if they should think about scrapping them.</p>
                                          </div>
                                          </blockquote>
                                          <p> </p>
                                          <p>I think you do need them. Playing amongst yourselves gets stale and you have to give the whole squad some time in a real(ish) game situation to see where you are before the real season starts.</p>
                                          <p> </p>
                                          <p>The season is 1 game shorter now than it was too. S15 was 16 games, S18 is only 15. That's in the regular season, obviously, which as a Blues fan is all I know.</p>

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                                          • Stargazer
                                            Stargazer last edited by

                                            <p><span style="font-size:18px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><strong>Hurricanes:</strong></span></span></p>
                                            <p> </p>
                                            <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote">
                                            <p><strong><span style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:11pt;">Matt Proctor, Ben May and Motu Matu'u sidelined for Hurricanes</span></span></strong></p>
                                            <p> </p>
                                            <p><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Three out of seven isn't a bad result for the Hurricanes.</span></span></p>
                                            <p> </p>
                                            <p><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">TJ Perenara, Brad Shields, Ben May, Matt Proctor, Leni Apisai, Willis Halaholo and Motu Matu'u all made early exits from Saturday's 40-12 pre-season loss to the Blues in Eketahuna.</span></span></p>
                                            <p><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Thankfully, for last year's Super Rugby runners-up, most have now been passed fit to play the Crusaders, in their final pre-season match on Friday in Blenheim.</span></span></p>
                                            <p> </p>
                                            <p><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Proctor, May and Matu'u have not, with Proctor sounding as if he's copped the worst luck. The centre appeared to go down clutching a hamstring after 14 minutes of Saturday's match, but was later seen icing a knee.</span></span></p>
                                            <p> </p>
                                            <p><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">He's now been diagnosed with a Posterior Cruciate Ligament injury, although it's yet to be revealed how severe that is or how long Proctor might be sidelined. At best it would seen unlikely that he would be fit to play in the Hurricanes' season-opener against the Brumbies in Canberra on February 26.</span></span></p>
                                            <p><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">...</span></span></p>
                                            <p> </p>
                                            <p><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">May, meanwhile, has a shoulder problem which isn't thought to be serious enough to keep him away from tighthead prop for too long, with Matu'u suffering a calf strain during his brief stint on the field against the Blues. His absence at hooker will be offset by the return of captain Dane Coles, who was at a wedding last weekend.</span></span></p>
                                            <p><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">...</span></span></p>
                                            </blockquote>
                                            <p> </p>
                                            <p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/76901164/matt-proctor-ben-may-and-motu-matuu-sidelined-for-hurricanes'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/76901164/matt-proctor-ben-may-and-motu-matuu-sidelined-for-hurricanes</a></p>
                                            <p> </p>
                                            <p>[hr]</p>
                                            <p> </p>
                                            <p><span style="font-size:18px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><strong>Chiefs:</strong></span></span></p>
                                            <p> </p>
                                            <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote">
                                            <p><strong><span style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:11pt;">Chiefs flanker Mitch Karpik ruled out of Super Rugby season with ruptured ACL</span></span></strong></p>
                                            <p> </p>
                                            <p><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Chiefs flanker Mitch Karpik will miss the 2016 Super Rugby season after suffering a knee injury in their preseason game against the Waratahs in Rotorua last Friday.</span></span></p>
                                            <p> </p>
                                            <p><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">The 20-year-old ruptured the anterior cruciate ligament in his left knee and will now undergo surgery. He is expected to take six to nine months to recover, meaning he will miss the forthcoming season, which begins on February 26 and runs until August.</span></span></p>
                                            <p><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">...</span></span></p>
                                            <p> </p>
                                            <p><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">The Chiefs beat the Waratahs 17-12 on Friday, but have already racked up a lengthy injury list, still two weeks out from the start of the season.</span></span></p>
                                            <p> </p>
                                            <p><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Prop Nepo Laulala is also out for the season with a knee injury, while lock Dom Bird and halfback Augustine Pulu are both expected to be out for at least two months with foot and arm injuries respectively.</span></span></p>
                                            <p> </p>
                                            <p><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Backs Andrew Horrell (groin) and Toni Pulu (ankle) are both on the comeback trail after off-season surgery.</span></span></p>
                                            <p><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">...</span></span></p>
                                            </blockquote>
                                            <p> </p>
                                            <p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/76917108/chiefs-flanker-mitch-karpik-ruled-out-of-super-rugby-season-with-ruptured-acl'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/76917108/chiefs-flanker-mitch-karpik-ruled-out-of-super-rugby-season-with-ruptured-acl</a></p>

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                                            • Siam
                                              Siam last edited by

                                              <p>Christ it's heartbraking to hear all these fellas ruled out for the season before the month of Feb is even half way over</p>
                                              <p> </p>
                                              <p>That pro rugby job thingee might not be all it's cracked up to be....we'd all still love to do it though eh!</p>
                                              <p> </p>
                                              <p>Should be a catchphrase in the industry that injury time = hit the study books between rehabs</p>

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                                              • Bovidae
                                                Bovidae last edited by

                                                <p>Squad depth is going to be so important as teams suffer injuries.  While I don't think Karpik would have played much he would be a useful foil to Cane at trainings.  I suppose Kolomatangi will be used more as a no.7 now, and there's Leitch as well.  Perhaps a player like Mitch Jacobson might be looked at for the WTG and squad trainings. </p>
                                                <p> </p>
                                                <p><span>Vaipulu's shoulder problem seems to be OK.</span></p>
                                                <p> </p>
                                                <p><span>Playing on hard grounds at this time of the year can't help with these high impact injuries.</span></p>

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                                                • taniwharugby
                                                  taniwharugby last edited by

                                                  <p><b>NEW ZEALAND</b> (TAB)</p>
                                                  <p>Chiefs $6.50, Hurricanes $7.50, Waratahs $8, Brumbies $8, Highlanders $8.50, Crusaders $8.50, Stormers $10, Sharks $13, Jaguares $13, Blues $18, Bulls $18, Lions $31, Reds $41, Rebels $61, Force $101, Cheetahs $101, Kings $151, Sunwolves $501.</p>
                                                  <p> </p>
                                                  <p><b>AUSTRALIA</b> (Centrebet)</p>
                                                  <p>Hurricanes $6, Chiefs $7, Waratahs $7.50, Crusaders $7.50,  Brumbies $9, Highlanders $9, Sharks $13, Jaguares $13, Stormers $15, Bulls $17, Blues $21, Reds $26, Lions $34, Rebels $51, Force $81, Cheetahs $81, Kings $251, Sunwolves $251.</p>
                                                  <p> </p>
                                                  <p><b>SOUTH AFRICA</b> (Interbet)</p>
                                                  <p>Hurricanes R6.30, Chiefs R6.50, Crusaders $R7.30,  Waratahs R7.50, Brumbies R8.30, Highlanders R8.50, Stormers R12, Jaguares R12, Sharks R13, Bulls R17, Blues R19.50, Lions R29, Reds R31, Rebels R54, Force R78, Cheetahs R86, Kings R200, Sunwolves R300.</p>

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                                                  • ACT Crusader
                                                    ACT Crusader last edited by

                                                    <p>Any ferners heading to Blenheim for the Saders preseason hitout vs the Canes? I'd be interested in a (real) match report before the season proper starts. The stuff report from the Landers game in Southland was more about the occasion (which is fine) rather than how players were faring.</p>
                                                    <p> </p>
                                                    <p>Starting to get excited about the 'unknown' element of what the Saders will be like this season.  </p>

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                                                    • taniwharugby
                                                      taniwharugby last edited by

                                                      <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="ACT Crusader" data-cid="558979" data-time="1455588546">
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                                                      <p>Any ferners heading to Blenheim for the Saders preseason hitout vs the Canes? I'd be interested in a (real) match report before the season proper starts. The stuff report from the Landers game in Southland was more about the occasion (which is fine) rather than how players were faring.</p>
                                                      <p> </p>
                                                      <p>Starting to get excited about the<strong> 'unknown' </strong>element of what the Saders will be like this season.  </p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      </blockquote>
                                                      <p> </p>
                                                      <p>you mean it is unknown if Toddy has a game plan up his sleeve after all these years ;)</p>

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                                                      • ACT Crusader
                                                        ACT Crusader last edited by

                                                        <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="taniwharugby" data-cid="558981" data-time="1455590583">
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                                                        <p>you mean it is unknown if Toddy has a game plan up his sleeve after all these years ;)</p>
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                                                        <p>Oh, he's had a game plan all these years, it's just that me, shark, Chris B and others haven't liked it...</p>

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                                                        • SammyC
                                                          SammyC last edited by

                                                          <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="ACT Crusader" data-cid="558979" data-time="1455588546">
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                                                          <p>Starting to get excited about the 'unknown' element of what the Saders will be like this season.  </p>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          <p>It is kind of exciting to go into a season with low expectations. </p>

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                                                            <p>Oh, he's had a game plan all these years, it's just that me, shark, Chris B and others haven't liked it...</p>
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                                                            <p>It is well defined - go right, reach the winger, get tackled, go left, reach the winger, get tackled, repeat as often as it takes for the opposition to get tired/bored</p>

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                                                              <p>Chiefs $6.50, Hurricanes $7.50, Waratahs $8, Brumbies $8, Highlanders $8.50, Crusaders $8.50, Stormers $10, Sharks $13, Jaguares $13, Blues $18, Bulls $18, Lions $31, Reds $41, Rebels $61, Force $101, Cheetahs $101, Kings $151, Sunwolves $501.</p>
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                                                              <p>Hurricanes $6, Chiefs $7, Waratahs $7.50, Crusaders $7.50,  Brumbies $9, Highlanders $9, Sharks $13, Jaguares $13, Stormers $15, Bulls $17, Blues $21, Reds $26, Lions $34, Rebels $51, Force $81, Cheetahs $81, Kings $251, Sunwolves $251.</p>
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                                                              <p><b>SOUTH AFRICA</b> (Interbet)</p>
                                                              <p>Hurricanes R6.30, Chiefs R6.50, Crusaders $R7.30,  Waratahs R7.50, Brumbies R8.30, Highlanders R8.50, Stormers R12, Jaguares R12, Sharks R13, Bulls R17, Blues R19.50, Lions R29, Reds R31, Rebels R54, Force R78, Cheetahs R86, Kings R200, Sunwolves R300.</p>
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                                                              <p>We've lost our midfield are we are favourites?</p>

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                                                              • taniwharugby
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                                                                <p>haha yeah I thought it was odd the 'canes are still faves across the board given the players they have lost.</p>
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                                                                <p>Still think the Jaguares are a decent bet, be surprising if they won in thier first go, but they have a strong squad, or match day squad at least</p>

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                                                                  <p>haha yeah I thought it was odd the 'canes are still faves across the board given the players they have lost.</p>
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                                                                  <p>Still think the Jaguares are a decent bet, be surprising if they won in thier first go, but they have a strong squad, or match day squad at least</p>
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                                                                  <p>I think the week in week out pace will take those players some time to get used to. So think its a stretch for this year but they could well be in with a shout sooner rather then later. </p>

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                                                                  • Stargazer
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                                                                    <p><span style="font-family:calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:12pt;"><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/77011261/sharks-patrick-lambie-out-12-weeks-with-dislocated-shoulder'>Sharks' Patrick Lambie out 12 weeks with dislocated shoulder</a></span></span></p>
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                                                                    <p><span style="font-family:calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:12pt;">According to this article on Stuff, he got injured during the Sharks' preseason game against Toulon.</span></span></p>

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                                                                      SouthernMan last edited by

                                                                      <p>Brendon Edmond's has signed a two year contract extension with the Highlanders. </p>

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                                                                        <p>Good on him. Well deserved.</p>

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                                                                        • Smudge
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                                                                          <p>Any ferners heading to Blenheim for the Saders preseason hitout vs the Canes? I'd be interested in a (real) match report before the season proper starts. The stuff report from the Landers game in Southland was more about the occasion (which is fine) rather than how players were faring.</p>
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                                                                          <p>Starting to get excited about the 'unknown' element of what the Saders will be like this season.  </p>
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                                                                          <p>Here's the match report from the ODT. </p>
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                                                                          <p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.odt.co.nz/sport/rugby/highlanders/372892/rugby-draw-fair-result-match-full-handling-errors'>http://www.odt.co.nz/sport/rugby/highlanders/372892/rugby-draw-fair-result-match-full-handling-errors</a></p>

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                                                                            <p>Looks like James Broadhurst is still struggling from a head knock in the ITM Cup</p>
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                                                                            <p>Lock James Broadhurst enjoyed a breakout year in New Zealand rugby in 2015 as a key figure in the Hurricanes' Super Rugby campaign.</p>
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                                                                            <p>A Hurricanes player plagued by concussion issues says he's happy with the international safeguards and protocols surrounding the injury. </p>
                                                                            <p>Lock James Broadhurst has not played, nor even trained properly, since suffering two head knocks playing for Taranaki against Wellington in the first round of last year's national provincial competition. </p>
                                                                            <p>That was in August and the one-test All Black said he still had a headache that "won't go away".</p>
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                                                                            <p>James Broadhurst made his test debut for the All Blacks in their 2015 Rugby Championship test against South Africa in Johannesburg.</p>
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                                                                            <p>The 28-year-old said the ongoing effects of his concussion were "extremely frustrating" but he doesn't believe any more could have been done to prevent the injury.</p>
                                                                            <p><b>READ MORE:<br>

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                                                                              <p>At the time of the knock Broadhurst said he didn't display any symptoms of concussion and decided to keep on playing, which was when he received the second hit.</p>
                                                                              <p>He was taken off at half-time following a medical assessment and wouldn't be returning to the paddock until he was symptom-free.</p>
                                                                              <p>And at the moment he did not know when that would be.</p>
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                                                                              <p>Back in September Broadhurst said he regretted returning to the field after the first knock.</p>
                                                                              <p>"It's about personal responsibility and in my case I've only got myself to blame."</p>
                                                                              <p>During Friday's press conference he said hindsight was a wonderful thing.</p>
                                                                              <p>At the time of the knock everyone had followed international protocols.</p>
                                                                              <p>"There's really good protocols in place in New Zealand rugby."</p>
                                                                              <p>However, people needed to be "more vigilant" at lower levels when it came to concussion, Broadhurst said.</p>
                                                                              <p>"I just think people need to be smarter... I think at the lower levels where those resources aren't around there are probably situations where people could be more vigilant."</p>
                                                                              <p>Broadhurst said he was trying to do what he could to help the team by participating in line-out training and staying positive.</p>
                                                                              <p>"There's no point in sitting around, moping about it, it's only gonna be worse for the mental state."</p>
                                                                              <p>His injury hadn't affected his personal life and he had been told he was likely to make a full recovery. </p>
                                                                              <p><strong>Hurricanes coach Chris Boyd said it was a frustrating setback for Broadhurst and the team but it was unlikely to affect his career in the long-term. </strong></p>
                                                                              <p>The unknown element of the injury meant all protocols had been strictly adhered to.</p>
                                                                              <p>"The awareness around concussion is becoming markedly increased," Boyd said.</p>
                                                                              <p>"You don't muck around with concussion. We'd love to see Broady out there on the field, but fully understand that won't happen until he has satisfied all the criteria set out by the medical staff and that's exactly how it should be," Boyd said.</p>
                                                                              <p>Hurricanes doctor Theo Dorfling said players needed to be symptom-free for 24 hours before they could participate in any physical activity and only then would they be able to enter a graduated return to play programme.</p>
                                                                              <p>Hurricanes spokesman Toby Robson said New Zealand Rugby Union has introduced a video box at the halfway point that was monitored by doctors, allowing them to review footage of any knocks, then monitor the player for symptoms. </p>
                                                                              <p>Broadhurst made his test debut last July, playing against South Africa at Ellis Park.</p>
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                                                                            • Bovidae
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                                                                              <p>After reading that article Broadhurst's symptoms appear very similar to Afeaki's.  Everyone was confident Afeaki would make a comeback but he didn't.  I hope Broadhurst has better luck.</p>

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                                                                                Matt Vaega has signed for the Blues. <br><br>
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                                                                                  <p>From the Kyode News:</p>
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                                                                                  <p><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Mark Hammett, coach of Japan's new Super Rugby side the Sunwolves, will leave the team's training camp in Okinawa with immediate effect following the death of his mother Friday in New Zealand.</span></span></p>
                                                                                  <p><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">"It is a sad day for me and my family on the passing of my mother," Hammett said in a statement. "A lot of my success in life I owe to her. I would like to thank Japan Rugby and the Sunwolves management, players, sponsors and fans for their support at this sad time. I will leave Japan to go and support my family and lay my mum to rest. I am hopeful that I can return in time for our inaugural Super Rugby match."</span></span></p>
                                                                                  <p><span style="font-size:14px;"><span style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Assistant coach Filo Tiatia will take charge of the team as they prepare for their inaugural game against the Johannesburg-based Lions on Feb. 27 in Tokyo.</span></span></p>
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                                                                                    <p>Foley could be out for 3-4 weeks with a shoulder injury.  A big loss for the Tahs.</p>

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