RWC 2023
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When do tickets go on sale?
Mrs Boo reckons we're going.
Will make sure we're there for the pool matches ... and see how flexible we can be during the knockouts ...
Collective thoughts on tours, touring parties, independent travel etc appreciated.
(Yes I'm deflecting, I don't want to dwell on the aftermath.)
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@booboo said in France 2023:
When do tickets go on sale?
Mrs Boo reckons we're going.
Will make sure we're there for the pool matches ... and see how flexible we can be during the knockouts ...
Collective thoughts on tours, touring parties, independent travel etc appreciated.
(Yes I'm deflecting, I don't want to dwell on the aftermath.)
Never mind that, when is the squad named?
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4 more years 4 more years
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If you can get tickets to the games you want to see through the ballot I would do the tour independently as you will have more flexibility to visit where you want between games. That is what my friends and I did in 2007, and it should be cheaper.
The TGV/train network is great to travel between cities, and you can organise your own accommodation.
Tours like Williment Travel will take a lot of the hassle away so it depends on what you want from the experience. I'll never forget seeing many from their tour group walking around Paris after the QF in their adidas tour kit looking like they wanted to be somewhere else. We all ended up at a bar watching the NPC final live.
It's much better to be incognito.
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It was good to see us keeping our powder dry for this one last night. The pricks aren't going to know what hit them.
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@Higgins Thursday
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@Yeetyaah Thanks, I'll keep my phone handy just in case I get the call up.
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Must be time for the TSF tour '23.
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@Godder said in France 2023:
Must be time for the TSF tour '23.
that could be good fun. Wonder how many pubs we'd be banned from
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@Crazy-Horse said in France 2023:
It was good to see us keeping our powder dry for this one last night. The pricks aren't going to know what hit them.
I see France winning this and us getting knocked out by Ireland.
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@Bones said in France 2023:
@Crazy-Horse said in France 2023:
It was good to see us keeping our powder dry for this one last night. The pricks aren't going to know what hit them.
I see France winning this and us getting knocked out by Ireland.
Downvote!!!
Reckon I'll be there in person for this one
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@voodoo said in France 2023:
@Bones said in France 2023:
@Crazy-Horse said in France 2023:
It was good to see us keeping our powder dry for this one last night. The pricks aren't going to know what hit them.
I see France winning this and us getting knocked out by Ireland.
Downvote!!!
Reckon I'll be there in person for this one
Yep me too. Only 20 minutes from a Eurostar station!
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@nzzp said in France 2023:
@Godder said in France 2023:
Must be time for the TSF tour '23.
that could be good fun. Wonder how many pubs we'd be banned from
@Godder @nzzp Reckon I could be up for that if you could stomach hanging about with a Saffer.
I know @Snowy is boycotting travelling to RWC games anymore, but I'm sure I can tempt him out of retirement if he feels his liver is strong enough for one last hurrah with me
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@Billy-Webb said in France 2023:
if he feels his liver is strong enough for one last hurrah with me
That's the problem, weeks in France with good (and cheap) wine my liver may well decide it is a final hurrah.
That and the fact that the ABs will lose if I go.It is tempting though. Hmmm.
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@Billy-Webb said in France 2023:
@nzzp said in France 2023:
@Godder said in France 2023:
Must be time for the TSF tour '23.
that could be good fun. Wonder how many pubs we'd be banned from
@Godder @nzzp Reckon I could be up for that if you could stomach hanging about with a Saffer.
I know @Snowy is boycotting travelling to RWC games anymore, but I'm sure I can tempt him out of retirement if he feels his liver is strong enough for one last hurrah with meI'm quite tempted ... will be taking time out to calm down after this Cup though, and korero with the father in law. He's an old school rugby dude, would be funny as shit to be on tour with. Also tempted to drag one or both boys along ... well, for festival rugby group stages. After that it's all pressure, pain and heartbreak -- kind of like working
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@Billy-Webb said in France 2023:
@Godder @nzzp Reckon I could be up for that if you could stomach hanging about with a Saffer.
Add another - I'll be over there the week before playing anyway.
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@booboo said in France 2023:
When do tickets go on sale?
Mrs Boo reckons we're going.
Will make sure we're there for the pool matches ... and see how flexible we can be during the knockouts ...
Collective thoughts on tours, touring parties, independent travel etc appreciated.
(Yes I'm deflecting, I don't want to dwell on the aftermath.)
You can register for interest here:
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So they're doing the draw even earlier this time. What the actual fuck? Three years early??
World Rugby have just put added pressure on teams to improve their results in 2020
The rankings system has regularly come in for criticism but it has now assumed even sharper importance for countries in this calendar year.
World Rankings race begins for RWC 2023 Pool Draw
World Rugby and the France 2023 Organising Committee have confirmed that the Rugby World Cup 2023 Pool Draw will take place in Paris after the November 2020 international window.
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Hurts to agree but, yeah, soccer do it 6 months before
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so they do the draw 3 years out, even though many of the teams who will be playing have not yet been determined?
Instead of making double rankings points during the RWC, make it double in the 18 months leading in and do the draw 6 months out.
Muppets
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Has there been any thought given that perhaps World Rugby are purposefully doing this early to create chaos so that pool play is exciting with multiple big teams in the same pool?
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@KiwiMurph said in RWC 2023 draw, this November!:
Has there been any thought given that perhaps World Rugby are purposefully doing this early to create chaos so that pool play is exciting with multiple big teams in the same pool?
It'll be for logistics right? So teams can plan ahead.
I'd prefer the seeding being done int he year before the world cup so you get the best competition, but I guess the World Cup is not about that?!?
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@Kirwan said in RWC 2023 draw, this November!:
It'll be for logistics right? So teams can plan ahead.
Tour operators, fans...
I can understand why they don't want it done 12months before. Surely two years would be enough?
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@Kirwan said in RWC 2023 draw, this November!:
It'll be for logistics right? So teams can plan ahead.
although I expect many of the teams who need to do the forward planning, budgetting etc dont know if they will qualify yet anyway.
And as @Machpants says, Soccer do it 6 months, with more teams to deal with.
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The FIFA World Cup with the exception of the host nation is an entirely random draw though so the logistics are a bit more straight forward.
To have a financially successful RWC the draw has be to be done carefully to ensure the marquee match ups maximize attendance etc.
Why three years is needed and not two is a mystery. Six months would seem unworkable though.
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@rotated said in RWC 2023 draw, this November!:
The FIFA World Cup with the exception of the host nation is an entirely random draw though so the logistics are a bit more straight forward.
I didn't know that, but I don't follow soccer.
So it would be possible to have a group that contained Brazil, Germany, France, etc and have most of the favourites knocked out at the pool stage. -
@Snowy No. The top 7 teams based on the FIFA rankings and the host are in pot 1 and then randomly allocated to each of the 8 groups.
This is a backward move by WR.
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Pretty much affirming this isn't a sporting competition, but a revenue raising device (we knew it of course, but it's nice to have it so neatly illustrated). Rugby's very own speed camera
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@Duluth said in RWC 2023 draw, this November!:
@Kirwan said in RWC 2023 draw, this November!:
It'll be for logistics right? So teams can plan ahead.
Tour operators, fans...
I can understand why they don't want it done 12months before. Surely two years would be enough?
Two years is barely enough, but workable.
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@rotated said in RWC 2023 draw, this November!:
The FIFA World Cup with the exception of the host nation is an entirely random draw though so the logistics are a bit more straight forward.
To have a financially successful RWC the draw has be to be done carefully to ensure the marquee match ups maximize attendance etc.
Why three years is needed and not two is a mystery. Six months would seem unworkable though.
Is it? Didn't use to be.
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@booboo said in RWC 2023 draw, this November!:
@Duluth said in RWC 2023 draw, this November!:
@Kirwan said in RWC 2023 draw, this November!:
It'll be for logistics right? So teams can plan ahead.
Tour operators, fans...
I can understand why they don't want it done 12months before. Surely two years would be enough?
Two years is barely enough, but workable.
what do you mean by that?
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@mariner4life said in RWC 2023 draw, this November!:
@booboo said in RWC 2023 draw, this November!:
@Duluth said in RWC 2023 draw, this November!:
@Kirwan said in RWC 2023 draw, this November!:
It'll be for logistics right? So teams can plan ahead.
Tour operators, fans...
I can understand why they don't want it done 12months before. Surely two years would be enough?
Two years is barely enough, but workable.
what do you mean by that?
Well, my opinion.
Althiugh a lot can happen to form I two years, but it's kind of close enough that it's reflective of form reasonably close to the event, and independent of the last one.
... work calls ... might try and explain better later
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@booboo said in RWC 2023 draw, this November!:
@rotated said in RWC 2023 draw, this November!:
The FIFA World Cup with the exception of the host nation is an entirely random draw though so the logistics are a bit more straight forward.
To have a financially successful RWC the draw has be to be done carefully to ensure the marquee match ups maximize attendance etc.
Why three years is needed and not two is a mystery. Six months would seem unworkable though.
Is it? Didn't use to be.
Random in the sense of venue allocation. A1 vs A3 @ Venue ABC on July 1 is set out before the draw is made. The tournament is seeded, although there is some vagueries beyond the Top 7 seeds as certain confederations can only have a maximum of two teams per pool etc.
The RWC is done in reverse where the pools are drawn first (with repechage and qualifiers still undecided) and then the schedule and venues are chosen to suit the draw, maximize attendance, TV timezones etc.
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@booboo said in RWC 2023 draw, this November!:
@Duluth said in RWC 2023 draw, this November!:
@Kirwan said in RWC 2023 draw, this November!:
It'll be for logistics right? So teams can plan ahead.
Tour operators, fans...
I can understand why they don't want it done 12months before. Surely two years would be enough?
Two years is barely enough, but workable.
If a union can't determine training grounds and a hotel with two years notice, they shouldn't be turning up.
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Qualification process set for Rugby World Cup 2023
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With 12 teams having secured their place at France 2023 courtesy of finishing in the top three of their respective pools at RWC 2019, the remaining eight places will be determined by a process of regional and cross-regional qualifiers. The process will conclude with a four-team round-robin Final Qualification Tournament in November 2022 to determine the final qualifier.
The dates for events in 2021 will be announced in due course and will be subject to an anticipated easing of the COVID-19 situation.
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The Americas will deliver two direct places, while Oceania will deliver a direct qualifier with a further direct place available following a play-off with Asia. The Rugby Europe Championship (two direct places), Rugby Africa Cup (one direct place) and Final Qualification Tournament (one direct place) will provide the other qualifiers. Further details are provided below.
-> RWC 2023 qualification principles
- Americas: the Americas will qualify two teams by September 2022. The third best team in the region will enter the Final Qualification Tournament – Americas 1 and Americas 2
- Europe: the existing Rugby Europe Championship will have two qualifying places, with the two best teams in March 2022 qualifying directly and the third placed entering the Final Qualification Tournament – Europe 1 and Europe 2
- Africa: the Rugby Africa Cup 2022 winner will qualify directly and the runner-up team will go to Final Qualification – Africa 1
- Oceania: a home and away play-off between Tonga and Samoa in 2021 will determine the direct qualifier for the Oceania region. – Oceania 1
The loser will then play the Oceania Rugby Cup 2021 winner in the highest ranked team’s country with the eventual winner contesting Asia / Pacific (see below) as Oceania 2 - Asia / Pacific: the winner of the Asian Rugby Men’s Championship 2021 will play Oceania 2 home and away. The winner on aggregate will determine the qualifier and the loser will go to Final Qualification – Asia / Pacific 1
- Final Qualification Tournament: the tournament in November 2022 will feature four teams playing in a round-robin format with the winner qualifying for RWC 2023 – Final Qualification winner
Teams already qualified: South Africa, England, New Zealand, Wales, Japan, France (host), Australia, Ireland, Scotland, Italy, Argentina, Fiji
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Final details of the regional competition formats and dates will be announced in due course
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I get why the RWC draw needs to be relatively contrived, but so far out is silly. This should be something that happens around halfway through a RWC cycle.
If it wasn't somewhat contrived we'd all be complaining about a lack of marquee pool games, and big games at small venues. When a tournament has dominant sides mixed with minnows and is often played in nations or regions where its a minority sport, contrivances and concessions have to be made in order to create the best spectacle, and yes, the most money.
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@shark said in RWC 2023 draw, this November!:
I get why the RWC draw needs to be relatively contrived, but so far out is silly. This should be something that happens around halfway through a RWC cycle.
If it wasn't somewhat contrived we'd all be complaining about a lack of marquee pool games, and big games at small venues. When a tournament has dominant sides mixed with minnows and is often played in nations or regions where its a minority sport, contrivances and concessions have to be made in order to create the best spectacle, and yes, the most money.
I'm the complete opposite of this. I think the draw should be done late, and nearly every team should have to qualify. What better way to get T1 nations playing against and at T2 and T3 opposition.
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@mariner4life said in RWC 2023 draw, this November!:
@shark said in RWC 2023 draw, this November!:
I get why the RWC draw needs to be relatively contrived, but so far out is silly. This should be something that happens around halfway through a RWC cycle.
If it wasn't somewhat contrived we'd all be complaining about a lack of marquee pool games, and big games at small venues. When a tournament has dominant sides mixed with minnows and is often played in nations or regions where its a minority sport, contrivances and concessions have to be made in order to create the best spectacle, and yes, the most money.
I'm the complete opposite of this. I think the draw should be done late, and nearly every team should have to qualify. What better way to get T1 nations playing against and at T2 and T3 opposition.
This only increases the potential to have lop-sided pools and T1 nations playing at small grounds, surely.
