Tasman vs Wellington (RS)
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@Chris-B said in Ta$man vs Wellington (RS):
@KiwiMurph said in Ta$man vs Wellington (RS):
@Dan54 I'm just glad Auckland get a challenge - first challenge since 2015
Pleased to do you guys a solid and get you a challenge - even if it's incidental to the main plan.
It's a bit shit in a 14 team competition that some teams can go 10 years without a challenge - and it would only take a minor bit of juggling and effort to ensure that didn't happen.
Perhaps not such a piss off when you've had the Shield for hundreds of challenges.
Plenty of big rugby fans in Ta$man who died before we won it!
Mate that'sthe beauty of the shield, you have to have luck to even get a challenge. Geez in 60s and 70s was nothing to miss a challenge for years.
The trouble with trying to ensure that everyone gets a challenge every couple of years (and one of the good things about it) is the fact we don't know who is going to have the shield after the first one of the year. -
@sparky said in Ta$man vs Wellington (RS):
Wellington's defence and decision making under pressure were not good enough. Ta$man deserved winners.
Just finished watching. Man it’s frustrating seeing Garden-Bachop and Savea starting instead the form players in Clarke, Patafilo and Harkin. On top of that Higgins was sent back to the wing after looking so bloody dangerous at 12. Just dumb selections really.
Lakai was again probably our best player on the park, and Delany despite being very good in the first half, was a little quiet in the second. Maybe playing three games in one week didn’t help him but that’s Wellington’s fault for playing him on Wednesday.
In saying that, Wellington simply didn’t take their chances and Ta$man were the better side today.
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@Dan54 It's not the 60s and 70s anymore.
What significance has the Shield got if Ta$man - the second best team in a decade - doesn't get a challenge in that decade? Auckland - the largest provincial union - doesn't get a challenge for a decade?
Quite easy to ensure that the team with the longest wait gets a challenge.
It is ridiculous!
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@booboo said in Ta$man vs Wellington (RS):
@Chris-B said in Ta$man vs Wellington (RS):
list of teams that have never won the NPC
Would be interested in said list.
Might develop said list when sitting at puter.
Got a list of winners so can eliminate from there.
From Wikipedia: 18 Provinces have won it. Two don't exist anymore (one split, one amalgamated), and one was called something else the four times they won it, and have never won it under their new name.
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@Chris-B said in Ta$man vs Wellington (RS):
@Dan54 It's not the 60s and 70s anymore.
What significance has the Shield got if Ta$man - the second best team in a decade - doesn't get a challenge in that decade? Auckland - the largest provincial union - doesn't get a challenge for a decade?
Quite easy to ensure that the team with the longest wait gets a challenge.
It is ridiculous!
I not sure how you would do it thogh Chris. The fact the shield moves as soon as a new winner comes along is the problem. I still maintain it's one of the beauties of the shield. The shields signficance is just that, all your ducks have to be in a row to a; get a challenge and b; actually win the thing.
I understand the frustration of not getting challenges for your team, but the shield has never ever been about the best team per se, but the best team when it a shield fixture!
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Really disappointed in that game from Wellington. Enough chances but couldn't finish.
Love I thought played poorly. Similar to the Canes semi against the Chiefs. His run or kick decision making is often off. Hopefully learns from it as his aerial and running game is very good.
Not normally one to mention the ref but gee he was poor first half.
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@Dan54 How about - if you haven't had a challenge for five years, you automatically get the first challenge of the NPC season.
In a supposedly professional competition, where the Shield is one of the biggest money-spinners it is grossly negligent of NZ Rugby to allow teams to go for a decade without a challenge.
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@Chris-B Yep-Nah mate, means you change the NPC etc. I understand your desire mate, but we have changed enough shit without stuffing the Shield around. You will then get argument that if more than one team haven't had a challenge for 5 years etc etc. There is no perfect way of doing it, and we will agree to disagree. The shield concept was never meant to be about sharing it around.
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@Dan54 I wonder if you'd be so relaxed if Taranaki didn't get a challenge for the next 10 years?
Next one in 2034.
What I'm suggesting is a pretty minor and easily implemented change.
And the simple fact is that it is not by chance that Ta$man and Auckland missed so many years.
In the years that the Shield bounced around the Championship - and with Razor's Canterbury winning the Premiership almost every year - the selection of crossover games meant Canterbury always picked the Shield holder - and the Shield holders always picked the weakest Premiership teams possible. Teams like Waikato got regularly rewarded for losing - Ta$man and Auckland got punished for being good.
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I don't think it's outrageous to suggest that you perhaps put all teams into a hat, weighted by time since last challenge, and then randomly draw to determine order of challenges.
Of course, as soon as the shield is lost it goes out the window until the off season, but would at least mean the teams who've gone the longest without a challenge have the highest chance of first crack in the new season.
