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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Baron Silas Greenback" data-cid="603234" data-time="1470384998">
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<p>So like a rabid person who doesnt want to hurt you.</p>
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<p>And a rabid person who wants to cut your throat..</p>
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<p>Got it.</p>
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<p>Like the apples and the oranges there are degrees of rottenness. I have not tried to compare the two just that there was a commonality of being rabid.</p> -
<p>This "rabid backlash" seems to be the figment of overactive imaginations. </p>
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<p>After the failed suicide bombing in Germany where was the "rabid backlash"? </p>
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<p>In France, the Charlie Hebdo attacks, Nice, the priest getting his throat cut. What was the "rabid backlash"? </p>
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<p>Can anyone point to anything that's actually happened, something substantive that could quantifiably be described as "rabid backlash"? </p> -
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<p>This "rabid backlash" seems to be the figment of overactive imaginations. </p>
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<p>After the failed suicide bombing in Germany where was the "rabid backlash"? </p>
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<p>In France, the Charlie Hebdo attacks, Nice, the priest getting his throat cut. What was the "rabid backlash"? </p>
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<p>Can anyone point to anything that's actually happened, something substantive that could quantifiably be described as "rabid backlash"? </p>
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<p>you can't quantify an adjective, and something can be rabid without any action taking place at all. the backlash is exactly what cato described, and it certainly exists.</p>
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<p>he has gone to lengths to repeatedly say that he is not comparing the two. you fellas still want to rant about how they're not the same thing, but everyone already knows they're not the same thing. you seem to be saying how ridiculous it is to compare them, but nobody is doing that, so who are you arguing with?</p> -
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<p>you can't quantify an adjective, and something can be rabid without any action taking place at all. the backlash is exactly what cato described, and it certainly exists.</p>
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<p>he has gone to lengths to repeatedly say that he is not comparing the two. you fellas still want to rant about how they're not the same thing, but everyone already knows they're not the same thing. you seem to be saying how ridiculous it is to compare them, but nobody is doing that, so who are you arguing with?</p>
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<p>The only backlash he has described is that there is a growing anti-Muslim feeling. That's hardly rabid...</p>
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<p><strong>rabid</strong></p>
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<div><em>adjective</em></div>
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<div>having or proceeding from an extreme or fanatical support of or belief in something.</div>
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<p>It is just the PC way of criticising extremists. Many in the west have now just been brain washed into thinking that you cannot criticise Islam or extremists without somehow creating an illusion of balance by also blaming non Muslims. </p>
<p>You see it all the time, wether it is calling people who cut the thoats of priests rabid, the same time as you call those who dont like immigration rabid or having to criticise christianity as soon as Islam is criticised.</p>
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<p>And Catogrande also made the mistake of saying that people on this board criticise 'all things Muslim' . They dont, they criticise Islam, they criticise the ideology. And those that follow or support the ideologies tenets of hate and intolerance within Islam. I might be wrong so maybe he could tell me who is criticises 'all things Muslim' on this board and I will be corrected and apologise.</p>
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<p>What exactly is rabid about not having tolerance of an ideology that wants to kill you?</p> -
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<p>The only backlash he has described is that there is a growing anti-Muslim feeling. That's hardly rabid...</p>
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<p>in my opinion it is irrational and extreme to be anti all things muslim, to want to ban them, to be anti-immigration, to be anti-foreign, etc etc on the basis of the actions of a few.</p>
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<span style="font-size:20px;"><span><span style="color:rgb(61,123,191);">adjective</span></span></span><div style="color:rgb(102,102,102);font-family:Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:15px;"><span><span>1.</span></span>
<div><span><span>irrationally</span> <span>extreme</span> <span>in</span> <span>opinion</span> <span>or</span> <span>practice:</span></span></div>
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<p>It is just the PC way of criticising extremists. Many in the west have now just been brain washed into thinking that you cannot criticise Islam or extremists without somehow creating an illusion of balance by also blaming non Muslims. </p>
<p>You see it all the time, wether it is calling people who cut the thoats of priests rabid, the same time as you call those who dont like immigration rabid or having to criticise christianity as soon as Islam is criticised.</p>
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<p>And Catogrande also made the mistake of saying that people on this board criticise 'all things Muslim' . They dont, they criticise Islam, they criticise the ideology. And those that follow or support the ideologies tenets of hate and intolerance within Islam. I might be wrong so maybe he could tell me who is criticises 'all things Muslim' on this board and I will be corrected and apologise.</p>
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<p>What exactly is rabid about not having tolerance of an ideology that wants to kill you?</p>
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<p>brainwashing now eh, big Islam is it? you do know that most muslims don't actually want to kill you eh?</p>
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<p>as for christianity, i would say it is also the anti-muslim people who bring christianity into the argument with 'islam is hateful and violent, christians would never do this' opinions. speaking for myself, i will bring up christianity, not to criticise it or 'even things up' (which would be ridiculous), but to try to illustrate my opinion that the religion is not the root cause.</p>
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<p>you fellas. cato made an innocuous statement, saying that the backlash was bad, immediately and repeatedly said he wasn't comparing it to the violence - and look at your reactions - you're up in arms about nothing, which is irrational, because your opinions are so extreme. there's a word for that.</p> -
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<p>you can't quantify an adjective, and something can be rabid without any action taking place at all. the backlash is exactly what cato described, and it certainly exists.</p>
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<p>he has gone to lengths to repeatedly say that he is not comparing the two. you fellas still want to rant about how they're not the same thing, but everyone already knows they're not the same thing. you seem to be saying how ridiculous it is to compare them, but nobody is doing that, so who are you arguing with?</p>
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<p>I'm looking for something a little more concrete and a little more tangible than "people are committing thoughtcrimes against Islam". </p>
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<p>London just elected a Muslim mayor a little less than 3 months ago, so the idea that there is strong anti all things Muslim feeling in the UK doesn't seem very credible. I'm asking Catogrande to put a little flesh on these bones and provide specifics that support his point. </p> -
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<p>...And Catogrande also made the mistake of saying that people on this board criticise 'all things Muslim' . They dont, they criticise Islam, they criticise the ideology. And those that follow or support the ideologies tenets of hate and intolerance within Islam. I might be wrong so maybe he could tell me who is criticises 'all things Muslim' on this board and I will be corrected and apologise.<strong> You haven't left out much mate.</strong></p>
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<p>What exactly is rabid about not having tolerance of an ideology that wants to kill you? <strong>I have repeatedly not linked the backlash with simply anti-islamic fundamentalist terrorism that wants to kill me, you and every other non-beleiver. You choose to pick this particular thing as a hook to hang your hat on without really addressing the point I was making that it transcends such simple sensibilities and morphs into racial intolerance on a much wider scale. I've never suggested that being anti-nutjob ISIS/notISIS murdering scumbags is not a sensible standpoint. You're picking an argument that I haven;t supported.</strong></p>
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<p>I'm looking for something a little more concrete and a little more tangible than "people are committing thoughtcrimes against Islam". </p>
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<p>London just elected a Muslim mayor a little less than 3 months ago, so the idea that there is strong anti all things Muslim feeling in the UK doesn't seem very credible. I'm asking Catogrande to put a little flesh on these bones and provide specifics that support his point. </p>
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<p>Sure, you can pick out single things such as Khan being elected mayor and use that to support your argument. But that is just what it is, a single thing. If you want to consider a slightly wider argument, you know something like a trend, then you'd could just consider much of the way the EU referendum was campaigned. Also how in the build up to the referendum and the fall lout from that how there appears to be a much greater acceptance of and instances of blatant racial abuse and xenophobic rhetoric.</p>
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<p>I cannot comment on how it is in Aus or NZ but in the UK there are stronger and stronger feelings of separation, racial intolerance and abuse. Obviously there has always been this sort of thing but the increasing occurrences and the degree of acceptance of it all is sickening. I've been through many phases of racial tension in the UK. Race riots, systemised paki-bashing and shit like that, but that seems like isolated cases compared the the degree that things have worsened in a very short space of time. The media whip things up like it's armageddon, the pollies campaign on racial or anti-racial tickets. Why is that even an issue?</p>
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<p>it's a big and growing problem over here and like I said earlier. It's ugly.</p> -
<p>Another lone wolf hacking up cops with a machete, this time in Belguim <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/82899054/belgian-police-officers-attacked-with-machete-in-charleroi'>http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/82899054/belgian-police-officers-attacked-with-machete-in-charleroi</a></p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Baron Silas Greenback" data-cid="603534" data-time="1470475700">
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<p>...And Catogrande also made the mistake of saying that people on this board criticise 'all things Muslim' . They dont, they criticise Islam, they criticise the ideology. And those that follow or support the ideologies tenets of hate and intolerance within Islam. I might be wrong so maybe he could tell me who is criticises 'all things Muslim' on this board and I will be corrected and apologise.<strong> You haven't left out much mate.</strong></p>
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<p>What exactly is rabid about not having tolerance of an ideology that wants to kill you? <strong>I have repeatedly not linked the backlash with simply anti-islamic fundamentalist terrorism that wants to kill me, you and every other non-beleiver. You choose to pick this particular thing as a hook to hang your hat on without really addressing the point I was making that it transcends such simple sensibilities and morphs into racial intolerance on a much wider scale. I've never suggested that being anti-nutjob ISIS/notISIS murdering scumbags is not a sensible standpoint. You're picking an argument that I haven;t supported.</strong></p>
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<p>I left out the most important things actually. Like those Muslims who openly state that the more regressive elements of the ideology need to be reformed or ignored. I would have thought you would have agreed they are vital and important component.</p>
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<p>I am not hanging my hook on anything, simply making an observation how it has become a knee jerk response for many that when they criticise an ideology.. they must balance it out by criticising people who dont like the ideology. Your post just happened to be a great example of this sort of false balance. </p> -
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<p>Sure, you can pick out single things such as Khan being elected mayor and use that to support your argument. But that is just what it is, a single thing. If you want to consider a slightly wider argument, you know something like a trend, then you'd could just consider much of the way the EU referendum was campaigned. Also how in the build up to the referendum and the fall lout from that how there appears to be a much greater acceptance of and instances of blatant racial abuse and xenophobic rhetoric.</p>
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<p>I cannot comment on how it is in Aus or NZ but in the UK there are stronger and stronger feelings of separation, racial intolerance and abuse. Obviously there has always been this sort of thing but the increasing occurrences and the degree of acceptance of it all is sickening. I've been through many phases of racial tension in the UK. Race riots, systemised paki-bashing and shit like that, but that seems like isolated cases compared the the degree that things have worsened in a very short space of time. The media whip things up like it's armageddon, the pollies campaign on racial or anti-racial tickets. Why is that even an issue?</p>
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<p>it's a big and growing problem over here and like I said earlier. It's ugly.</p>
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<p>some muslim leaders doing their bit (for those who have suggested that this doesn't happen in the past):</p>
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some muslim leaders doing their bit (for those who have suggested that this doesn't happen in the past):<br><br><a class="bbc_url" href="http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36936658">http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36936658</a></p></blockquote>
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<p>That's good to see not sure I but the bit at the end about mosques not aiding terrorism though .</p>
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<p>well i reckon if the leader of the mosque is all for peace and tolerance and is preaching to that end, then their mosque can only really be aiding terrorism in that it is a likely place to meet the odd muslim nutter - probably similar to a kebab shop actually, which is good news for me cause i've been wanting a reason to boycott those fluffybunnies for a while now.</p> -
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well i reckon if the leader of the mosque is all for peace and tolerance and is preaching to that end, then their mosque can only really be aiding terrorism in that it is a likely place to meet the odd muslim nutter - probably similar to a kebab shop actually, which is good news for me cause i've been wanting a reason to boycott those fluffybunnys for a while now.</p></blockquote>
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<p>I left out the most important things actually. Like those Muslims who openly state that the more regressive elements of the ideology need to be reformed or ignored. I would have thought you would have agreed they are vital and important component.</p>
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<p>I am not hanging my hook on anything, simply making an observation how it has become a knee jerk response for many that when they criticise an ideology.. they must balance it out by criticising people who dont like the ideology. Your post just happened to be a great example of this sort of false balance. </p>
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<p>True, you did leave that bit out. Perhaps I should have said anti-all things Muslim apart from any individual muslim opinions that BSG agrees with. Glad we cleared that up.</p>
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<p>It was not my intention in this instance to criticise any particular faction and I didn't think I had. the knee-jerk response of many etc etc is something that you have bought to the part. All I have said is that there is a very unpleasant backlash to all of what has occurred and is still occurring and that this concerns me. You then add a different slant onto the discussion picking an argument that is not there as far as I'm concerned.</p> -
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<p>And what do you see as the cause of this?</p>
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<p>I was going to suggest you research what the word backlash means. However, I've saved you the trouble. </p>
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<p>Courtesy of the Oxford online dictionary:-</p>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(42,42,42);font-family:'Open Sans', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;">Backlash - A strong negative reaction by a large number of people, especially to a social or political development</span></p> -
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<p>True, you did leave that bit out. Perhaps I should have said anti-all things Muslim apart from any individual muslim opinions that BSG agrees with. Glad we cleared that up.</p>
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<p>It was not my intention in this instance to criticise any particular faction and I didn't think I had. the knee-jerk response of many etc etc is something that you have bought to the part. All I have said is that there is a very unpleasant backlash to all of what has occurred and is still occurring and that this concerns me. You then add a different slant onto the discussion picking an argument that is not there as far as I'm concerned.</p>
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<p>That I agree with? Don't you agree with <span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">Muslims who openly state that the more regressive elements of the ideology need to be reformed or ignores are a vital and important component? Dont you think they are rather important? Dont you also state that most Muslims aren't extremist zealots?</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">You made a claim that people on this forum attack all things Muslim, dont get testy when called on that nonsense. It is just blatantly untrue. No big deal though, we all fall prey to hyperbole on occasion.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">I was far from the only poster that noticed the fact you called people on both sides rabid. </span></p>