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<p>Good writeup. I certainly haven't heard about any churches being burned down. </p>
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<p>Religion is bullshit in general, but going out of your way to attack it is about the same as a religious person going out of their way to attack me about my lack of belief in their little book.</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote"><p>The most bizarre example of this double standard occurred earlier this month when a caller rang up ABC presenter Jon Faine, a vehement critic of Christianity but an equally passionate defender of Islam.</p></blockquote><br>That would be the John Faine voted in 2011 in the top 50 of Australia’s most influential Jews?<br><br><blockquote class="ipsBlockquote"><p>Consider: which societies are safest for nonbelievers? Which the most likely to be democracies? Which the least likely to treat terrorists as heroes?<br><br>Which are least likely to allow humans to be destroyed for an allegedly higher cause?<br><br>Each time, the answer is Christian.</p></blockquote><br>Wrong. That would be agnostic/ atheist.
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Antipodean: can you name one of these societies that are agnostic/atheistic? <br><br>
Most societies like it or not are based in some sort of religion.<br><br>
Our society (NZ/Aus) is based on Christianity being Euopean based ... like it or not.<br><br>
Whilst many of us would like to think our way of life is now based purely on an agnostic way of life, it's just not. <br><br>
On that basis I prefer that we have the Hippy Pacifist as our inspiration rather than the Murderous Warlord.<br><br>
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<p>Bolt's presenting a false dichotomy. With each passing year the proportion of people who identify as non-religious continues to grow. Given that and the advance in modern democracies to a clear delineation between church and State, we're on the way to the type of society I suggest is safest for nonbelievers, most likely to be democracies and least likely to treat terrorists as heroes.</p>
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<p>Wow. Bet that never happened to him before :)</p>
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So 12 dead and more than 50 injured in Berlin as another peaceful individual drives a truck through pedestrians.
@TeWaio said in The Failed policy of Multiculturalism:
Bump, to dwell on a happier note than the thread had recently meandered to..
Sadiq Khan reckons bombings are part of a cultural exchange of ideas and you should get used to it
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@Kirwan said in The Failed policy of Multiculturalism:
Have to laugh at the other thread about a world war, as if we aren't already in one.
Difference is we are fighting people that are happy to take decades to win and even breed us out.
Really? How many westerners died in the first 2? How many Kiwis?
In this one you think we are in, you, as a kiwi, are literally more likley to have been punched by a pissed up Jerry Collins than injured by Islamists in the last 10 years in NZ. I'm not sold that qualifies as a world war...
Thats just hyperbolic bullshit & a delusional re what an actual world war - or even a local war, looks like.
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@gollum said in The Failed policy of Multiculturalism:
@Kirwan said in The Failed policy of Multiculturalism:
Have to laugh at the other thread about a world war, as if we aren't already in one.
Difference is we are fighting people that are happy to take decades to win and even breed us out.
Really? How many westerners died in the first 2? How many Kiwis?
In this one you think we are in, you, as a kiwi, are literally more likley to have been punched by a pissed up Jerry Collins than injured by Islamists in the last 10 years in NZ. I'm not sold that qualifies as a world war...
Thats just hyperbolic bullshit & a delusional re what an actual world war - or even a local war, looks like.
So because it's not fully arrived in NZ it can't be a world war? Interesting definition.
Kind of ignores the fact that 50-80 potential terrorists are being tracked in NZ because of links to these nutjobs.
Also ignores that it's a different kind of world war that what WWII was. State sponsored asymmetric warfare, and with a stated invasion policy of breeding out the locals and undermining western law and culture.
Of course it's happening more in Europe, and to a lesser extent the US, purely because we are hard to get to. You'd have to really pushing your head into the sand hard to not think there is a worldwide war being waged on the west by Islam.
Suppose it's ignorable if you just call every attack nothing to do with the religion of peace, just the work of a lone wolf, bra.
But I'm sure you will, as the poster proven wrong on geo-political events most often on this site (well, expect maybe Winger), will lecture me on how I'm wrong and it was germans killing each other yesterday, and the assassination of the Russian ambassador was nothing to do with Islam.
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@Kirwan said in The Failed policy of Multiculturalism:
@gollum said in The Failed policy of Multiculturalism:
@Kirwan said in The Failed policy of Multiculturalism:
Have to laugh at the other thread about a world war, as if we aren't already in one.
Difference is we are fighting people that are happy to take decades to win and even breed us out.
Really? How many westerners died in the first 2? How many Kiwis?
In this one you think we are in, you, as a kiwi, are literally more likley to have been punched by a pissed up Jerry Collins than injured by Islamists in the last 10 years in NZ. I'm not sold that qualifies as a world war...
Thats just hyperbolic bullshit & a delusional re what an actual world war - or even a local war, looks like.
So because it's not fully arrived in NZ it can't be a world war? Interesting definition.
Kind of ignores the fact that 50-80 potential terrorists are being tracked in NZ because of links to these nutjobs.
Also ignores that it's a different kind of world war that what WWII was. State sponsored asymmetric warfare, and with a stated invasion policy of breeding out the locals and undermining western law and culture.
Of course it's happening more in Europe, and to a lesser extent the US, purely because we are hard to get to. You'd have to really pushing your head into the sand hard to not think there is a worldwide war being waged on the west by Islam.
Suppose it's ignorable if you just call every attack nothing to do with the religion of peace, just the work of a lone wolf, bra.
But I'm sure you will, as the poster proven wrong on geo-political events most often on this site (well, expect maybe Winger), will lecture me on how I'm wrong and it was germans killing each other yesterday, and the assassination of the Russian ambassador was nothing to do with Islam.
(Drops microphone )
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@gollum said in The Failed policy of Multiculturalism:
@Kirwan said in The Failed policy of Multiculturalism:
Have to laugh at the other thread about a world war, as if we aren't already in one.
Difference is we are fighting people that are happy to take decades to win and even breed us out.
Really? How many westerners died in the first 2? How many Kiwis?
In this one you think we are in, you, as a kiwi, are literally more likley to have been punched by a pissed up Jerry Collins than injured by Islamists in the last 10 years in NZ. I'm not sold that qualifies as a world war...
in the last World War there were Germans and Japanese running amok on New Zealand...
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-There's only one group of people on the planet beheading other people who do not believe as they do.
-There's only one group of people pushing gays off rooftops.
-There's only one group of people flying airliners into skyscrapers.
-There's only one group of people vowing to exterminate all other groups.
-There's only one group of people carrying out daily suicide bombings.
-There's only one group of people that strap bombs to their children and send them into crowded marketplaces to die and kill others.
-There's only one group of people calling America "the great Satan" and vowing to kill Americans indiscriminately.
-There's only one group of people that have legalized pedophilia, honor killings of women and daughters, oppressing women, male guardianship of women, modesty dress codes, lack of marital rights, forced marriage, stoning deaths of homosexuals, women committing adultery, etc.And that group is defended and/or supported by much of the Western Left (read Merkel, Hillary & Obama)
Times are about to change...........at least in U.S. policy.
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@Frank said in The Failed policy of Multiculturalism:
-There's only one group of people on the planet beheading other people who do not believe as they do.
-There's only one group of people pushing gays off rooftops.
-There's only one group of people flying airliners into skyscrapers.
-There's only one group of people vowing to exterminate all other groups.
-There's only one group of people carrying out daily suicide bombings.
-There's only one group of people that strap bombs to their children and send them into crowded marketplaces to die and kill others.
-There's only one group of people calling America "the great Satan" and vowing to kill Americans indiscriminately.
-There's only one group of people that have legalized pedophilia, honor killings of women and daughters, oppressing women, male guardianship of women, modesty dress codes, lack of marital rights, forced marriage, stoning deaths of homosexuals, women committing adultery, etc.And that group is defended and/or supported by much of the Western Left (read Merkel, Hillary & Obama)
Times are about to change...........at least in U.S. policy.
Racist bigot.
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@Frank said in The Failed policy of Multiculturalism:
Straight talk.
While I agree with what she says I can't stand her. She strikes me as the sort of person who could just as easily argue the exact opposite point if she thought it would get her fame and attention.
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(P.S. While realising you probably got that list off a Facebook post somewhere, it still isn't entirely accurate for ISIS - or even Islam: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Satan ).
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@NTA said in The Failed policy of Multiculturalism:
(P.S. While realising you probably got that list off a Facebook post somewhere, it still isn't entirely accurate for ISIS - or even Islam: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Satan ).
If you include ISIS, terrorist sponsors, Al Qaeda, Etc under the umbrella of Muslim Extremists, then it seems a fairly uncontroversial list.
Which bit was inaccurate?
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"Only one group" - if you're going to say "Muslim Extremists" then OK, fine. But he didn't.
From the other items in the list, I assumed he was talking about ISIS. Or followers of Islam in general.
- "The Great Satan" wasn't one of theirs.
- Neither did they fly airliners into skyscrapers.
- Nor were they the only group to behead people (AQ did until it proved unpopular for their stated aims - which was to remove the West from Islam, not from the planet)
- "Daily" suicide bombings is questionable, but I'll accept "regular"
- Pushing gays off rooftops versus killing them in any which way is hardly isolated to ISIS/Islam
- Legalised child marriage/rape/paedophilia, oppression of women through forced marriage, FGM, male guardianship (overlording?), dress codes, death by stoning or any means - all lean toward cultural issues, that quite often parallel, but aren't isolated to, Islam.
The attacks that get covered the most in the media are the ones that affect us directly. Doesn't matter whether they're part of ISIS, inspired by ISIS, or just plain bonkers and want to kill someone in the name of something. Like that Evangelical Christian bloke in Colorado who shot up an abortion clinic in the name of the babies. Complete nutjob. Still killed 5 people.
Nobody who is right in the head wants to go on a suicide mission. That's why the supposed leaders never do. I've seen the footage of the young guys who get selected and cry tears of joy that they're going to serve the cause. Fucking hell... Religious fervour might get them over the line, but you've got to have run a decent race to sign up in the first place.
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