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@booboo said in North Korea:
Anyone think he's tweeting to the Trumpsters at home rather than the NK populace or Kim?
All of his tweets play to his base at home, exactly the same way Obama, Hillary and Bernie tweet. That's politics for you today.
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@siam said in North Korea:
@booboo totally mate.
North korean citizens won't see it without a Kim spin.
Kim and his military team know exactly that bombing the US is a suicide move (fuck the whole world knows that!) and he has channels to deliver a similarly chilling message to him privately.This sort of bragging doesn't really do much for Japan China and South Korea's efforts at keeping this nutjob under some control either.
Totally self serving
The problem is nobody is keeping this nutjob under control. He didn't have nuclear weapons, now he does. Allowing someone like that to develop nuclear capability is not what I would call "under control". The harsh reality is that something has to give.
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@no-quarter can't control all the nutjobs in the world mate.
Nothing will stop him choosing the decimation of his own country.
I say let China "control" him. That's got better chance of stopping him flinging bombs - which is all we can do, and have done for a long time.Tweeting to a room with no north koreans in it achieves nothing in my opinjon
As unpalatable as it may be foreign intervention doesn't seem to build great nations
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@no-quarter dunno, I think there is a fair bit of difference in the tweets from 'normal' Politicians and what Trump tweets.
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@no-quarter said in North Korea:
@siam said in North Korea:
@booboo totally mate.
North korean citizens won't see it without a Kim spin.
Kim and his military team know exactly that bombing the US is a suicide move (fuck the whole world knows that!) and he has channels to deliver a similarly chilling message to him privately.This sort of bragging doesn't really do much for Japan China and South Korea's efforts at keeping this nutjob under some control either.
Totally self serving
The problem is nobody is keeping this nutjob under control. He didn't have nuclear weapons, now he does. Allowing someone like that to develop nuclear capability is not what I would call "under control". The harsh reality is that something has to give.
Took me a couple of secs to work out which one you were talking about.
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@booboo said in North Korea:
@no-quarter said in North Korea:
@siam said in North Korea:
@booboo totally mate.
North korean citizens won't see it without a Kim spin.
Kim and his military team know exactly that bombing the US is a suicide move (fuck the whole world knows that!) and he has channels to deliver a similarly chilling message to him privately.This sort of bragging doesn't really do much for Japan China and South Korea's efforts at keeping this nutjob under some control either.
Totally self serving
The problem is nobody is keeping this nutjob under control. He didn't have nuclear weapons, now he does. Allowing someone like that to develop nuclear capability is not what I would call "under control". The harsh reality is that something has to give.
Took me a couple of secs to work out which one you were talking about.
I know that's a joke but comparing Trump to the guy running one of the most oppressive regimes in human history is pretty absurd.
@Siam yeah, you can't control all the nutjobs and you shouldn't try, agree with you there. The best change always comes from within, like what we are (hopefully) seeing in Iran. But when you've got a guy running an absolutely brutal dictstorship, developing nuclear capability, and threatening to land those nukes on surrounding countries then you can't just sit back and watch. The world is a safer place if he is wiped off the face of it.
@taniwharugby yes very different but rightly or wrongly it works! His base are unbelievably loyal and he knows how to keep them onside.
Also, have you seen Bernie tweet? Armageddon is just around the corner every day apparently. He's fucking unhinged.
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@no-quarter TBF my twitter account is mostly following rugby stuff and hot chicks, so only really see Trump stuff when someone rants against it or they make the news...so I guess I don't see a lot of those others, but I guess would they be doing the same if they were president?
Who knows, and really I'd rather see less of US politics in my life which would surely mean the better things must here in NZ and the world right, or am I being too simplistic
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@taniwharugby NZ is the best country in the world, period. When you cast your gaze around the globe you realise, in the words of the great John Clarke, we don't know how lucky we are..
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@no-quarter yeah I realize that (I think people need to venture out of NZ to truly appreciate it) but was more meaning the less we see/hear of the US politics, Middle East, NK will hopefully mean things are all good in the world....
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@no-quarter yeah mate i appreciate your compassion and empathy. I've lived under too many corrupt and self servings dictatorships and administrations. I'm cynical but i call it realistic. All the leaders are primarily concerned with their power base imo
Fixing other nations is akin to wasps, gorse and canetoad introduction. Done for the right reasons but unconsidered factors just shifted a problem.
Iran was a leader in modernity and scholar a while ago -
Reuters reports, b/c American media can’t & won’t.
South Korea's Moon says Trump deserves 'big' credit for North Korea talks
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@salacious-crumb said in North Korea:
Reuters reports, b/c American media can’t & won’t.
South Korea's Moon says Trump deserves 'big' credit for North Korea talks
What absolute shite.
One google search is all you need to find the same story being promulgated by CNN, CNBC, Fox, WP, Guardian etc etc
But you carry on believing what you want.
Can this be called 'Anti-Trump Derangement Syndrome'?
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@crucial said in North Korea:
@salacious-crumb said in North Korea:
Reuters reports, b/c American media can’t & won’t.
South Korea's Moon says Trump deserves 'big' credit for North Korea talks
What absolute shite.
One google search is all you need to find the same story being promulgated by CNN, CNBC, Fox, WP, Guardian etc etc
But you carry on believing what you want.
Can this be called 'Anti-Trump Derangement Syndrome'?
And your opinion on the actual topic?
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@baron-silas-greenback said in North Korea:
@crucial said in North Korea:
@salacious-crumb said in North Korea:
Reuters reports, b/c American media can’t & won’t.
South Korea's Moon says Trump deserves 'big' credit for North Korea talks
What absolute shite.
One google search is all you need to find the same story being promulgated by CNN, CNBC, Fox, WP, Guardian etc etc
But you carry on believing what you want.
Can this be called 'Anti-Trump Derangement Syndrome'?
And your opinion on the actual topic?
I'm sorry. Are we only allowed to comment on some parts of posts now?
I have no comment on the article linked.
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@crucial said in North Korea:
@baron-silas-greenback said in North Korea:
@crucial said in North Korea:
@salacious-crumb said in North Korea:
Reuters reports, b/c American media can’t & won’t.
South Korea's Moon says Trump deserves 'big' credit for North Korea talks
What absolute shite.
One google search is all you need to find the same story being promulgated by CNN, CNBC, Fox, WP, Guardian etc etc
But you carry on believing what you want.
Can this be called 'Anti-Trump Derangement Syndrome'?
And your opinion on the actual topic?
I'm sorry. Are we only allowed to comment on some parts of posts now?
I have no comment on the article linked.
Of course you dont. It might mean you say sonething good about Trump.
Stuff.co.nz has its obligatory 2 anti Trump articles for the day. And not one mention of the non partisan DACA meeting or the North Korea talks. No wonder many kiwis have no bloody idea what is happening in the US
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@baron-silas-greenback said in North Korea:
@crucial said in North Korea:
@baron-silas-greenback said in North Korea:
@crucial said in North Korea:
@salacious-crumb said in North Korea:
Reuters reports, b/c American media can’t & won’t.
South Korea's Moon says Trump deserves 'big' credit for North Korea talks
What absolute shite.
One google search is all you need to find the same story being promulgated by CNN, CNBC, Fox, WP, Guardian etc etc
But you carry on believing what you want.
Can this be called 'Anti-Trump Derangement Syndrome'?
And your opinion on the actual topic?
I'm sorry. Are we only allowed to comment on some parts of posts now?
I have no comment on the article linked.
Of course you dont. It might mean you say sonething good about Trump.
No, it's because it's a poorly written article that doesn't back up its headline with evidence. It may make a valid point but I'll wait until more comes out.
I note you are happy not to comment on the article as well but happy to have two cracks at me, one for pointing out the stupid comment of another poster.
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@Crucial evidence for what? That he praised Trump? I don't think the article really tried to make a point, just seemed to be reporting on what was happening.
The "talks" are pretty unlikely to be very fruitful, and Trump has indicated as much, but it's better than nothing.
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@crucial said in North Korea:
@baron-silas-greenback said in North Korea:
@crucial said in North Korea:
@baron-silas-greenback said in North Korea:
@crucial said in North Korea:
@salacious-crumb said in North Korea:
Reuters reports, b/c American media can’t & won’t.
South Korea's Moon says Trump deserves 'big' credit for North Korea talks
What absolute shite.
One google search is all you need to find the same story being promulgated by CNN, CNBC, Fox, WP, Guardian etc etc
But you carry on believing what you want.
Can this be called 'Anti-Trump Derangement Syndrome'?
And your opinion on the actual topic?
I'm sorry. Are we only allowed to comment on some parts of posts now?
I have no comment on the article linked.
Of course you dont. It might mean you say sonething good about Trump.
No, it's because it's a poorly written article that doesn't back up its headline with evidence. It may make a valid point but I'll wait until more comes out.
I note you are happy not to comment on the article as well but happy to have two cracks at me, one for pointing out the stupid comment of another poster.
Poorly written???
Lol. Ok.That is a new high in a determination to never ever say anything positive about Trump. I am sure you can find some grammatical mistakes in the articles about the DACA meeting and stockmarket highs that could mean you also dont have to discuss those. I suspect you dont take such high standards into articles criticizing Trump
I am not sure if Trumps approach will ultimately get rid of nukes in NK. But it is already achieving more than Obama ever did.
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@no-quarter said in North Korea:
@Crucial evidence for what? That he praised Trump? I don't think the article really tried to make a point, just seemed to be reporting on what was happening.
The "talks" are pretty unlikely to be very fruitful, and Trump has indicated as much, but it's better than nothing.
Considering there are 5 reporters, two writers and an editor listed it's a bit poor that the headline and statement aren't even backed up with a quote. Would have been simple to do.
I only made a post about the stupidity of @Salacious-Crumb s assertion about the media and deliberately didn't comment further because I thought the article was a bit light and hardly worthy of exclamation.
I would be happy if Trump is doing good things in this area. Happier still if he didn't undermine that good work while sitting on the crapper with phone in hand.
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@Crucial fair enough, articles that lack direct quotes are a massive bugbear of mine as well. Almost as bad as "anonymous sources". He's quoted in other stories though, pouring a bit of water on the opinion that Trump is undermining South Korea with his response to Kim Jong Un's threats.
My biggest gripe with the media is the lines between fact-based reporting and opinion pieces are very blurred now, and opinions are often being presented as fact. They generally all report the news but you do have to be wary of the bias of the organisation. In this case the articles I have read have been mostly just reporting what is happening, so as you say, nothing to see here.
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