Boxingball
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@mariner4life said in Boxingball:
@antipodean said in Boxingball:
I'm still astonished a sport that so clearly favours height is so popular.
you are so woke
I looked up Wiki to see what that means: Woke is a political term of African American origin that refers to a perceived awareness of issues concerning social justice and racial justice. It is derived from the African American Vernacular English expression "stay woke", whose grammatical aspect refers to a continuing awareness of these issues.
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@antipodean said in Boxingball:
@mariner4life said in Boxingball:
@antipodean said in Boxingball:
I'm still astonished a sport that so clearly favours height is so popular.
you are so woke
I looked up Wiki to see what that means: Woke is a political term of African American origin that refers to a perceived awareness of issues concerning social justice and racial justice. It is derived from the African American Vernacular English expression "stay woke", whose grammatical aspect refers to a continuing awareness of these issues.
so what you are telling me is, a white person using the term "woke" is cultural appropriation? well well
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@antipodean said in Boxingball:
I'm still astonished a sport that so clearly favours height is so popular.
Height is a definite advantage, but physical prowess is important in most games isn't it? But it is a game that is skilled and can be played and enjoyed by people of all sizes
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@ACT-Crusader
@Rancid-SchnitzelFellas, Your assumptions were indeed correct and I hadn't seen all the footage of the brawl. So to go off half cocked was certainly my bad and I apologise for wasting some of your time and energy (thought you were a bit more irrascible than usual ). poor form by me.
The reaction to the elbow was indeed way way too much, and it wasn't so much of a "typical" brawl
But (yep here it comes!) I'm still certain of my position that Kickert was the touch paper that ignited this nonsense, and his actions were naieve and worthy of strong censure, but more importantly a reminder of the peril of taking sporting laws into your own hands - a lesson that losing self control in a controlled environment (official match with referees) is universall discouraged (despite provocation because all hell can break loose.
As I said on first viewing my thoughts were "fuck man don't do that in that country and in that charged atmosphere with your team being so outnumbered. You'll get a flogging and no local sympathy"
Thinking about it, my attitude comes from 20 odd years with these type of cultures. I've certainly become desensitised to this mob violence but I certainly remember all the learning I went through and my initial reactions 2 decades ago reflected the same outrage incredulity and disgust initially, only to be replaced with a strong sense of "cause and effect" explanations.
I was in the Philippines playing cricket when a similar thing happened in that a Pakistani and an Indian team and spectators got so riled up that people were grabbing bats, stumps and wood and screaming and posturing. It was fucken frightful and the only reason it didn't kick off was because no one actually crossed the line by obviously striking someone. I restrained (verbally) a yank on his high horse who was playing moral arbiter in all this and I still reckon I saved his life, and mine.
This thing couldn't really escalate in NZ or Aus because the majority of bystanders wouldn't allow it to, but in PP there is not much of that moral reasoning restraint or contemplation.
I've seen a mob kick to death a guy in Bangkok who was threatening his own baby in a suicide type scenario. Cops took 3 hours to talk him down and then couldn't stop a mob of mostly women wailing in with fists and boots till he was lifeless on the concrete. You can feel the tension in the air - it's like invisible prickles and everyone's face is anxious
Oh well, shouldn't have threatened the baby, was how everyone resolved it.
Last April I got called in to counsel (talk to) an Aussie family holidaying in Thailand. 18 year old son was having a great time in the bars, where it does feel like anything goes, and was banging his jandals on a table in time to the music. Got asked to stop by barman but him and the group didn't and next thing a local shoved a pistol to his temple. Happy ending (not intended) because, luckily, the Thai broke the first rule of brandishing a weapon in that culture - "If you pull it, you have to use it"
Countless times I've been bemused why locals haven't absolutely fucken smashed some rude Aussie tourists who to all intents and purposes were asking for a hiding in most cultures
My point?
You got to be ultra aware of your surroundings and what looks like pandering to a ridiculous and bullshit display of behaviour (and it so fucken is!) is often times the best solution.
Aussies should have left things in the refs hands (FIBA sanctioned wasn't it?), taken the win, got to the airport and then vented in safety.
Must be noted that Kickert's response has been highly commendable and I'd say lesson learned.
Highlight his shortcomings as that's fixable, the Philipinos penchant and willingness to go apeshit, not so fixable I'm afraid.
One spark ignites a forest, one punch ignites a mob
and a face palm for me...
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@siam said in Boxingball:
@ACT-Crusader
@Rancid-SchnitzelFellas, Your assumptions were indeed correct and I hadn't seen all the footage of the brawl. So to go off half cocked was certainly my bad and I apologise for wasting some of your time and energy (thought you were a bit more irrascible than usual ). poor form by me.
The reaction to the elbow was indeed way way too much, and it wasn't so much of a "typical" brawl
But (yep here it comes!) I'm still certain of my position that Kickert was the touch paper that ignited this nonsense, and his actions were naieve and worthy of strong censure, but more importantly a reminder of the peril of taking sporting laws into your own hands - a lesson that losing self control in a controlled environment (official match with referees) is universall discouraged (despite provocation because all hell can break loose.
As I said on first viewing my thoughts were "fuck man don't do that in that country and in that charged atmosphere with your team being so outnumbered. You'll get a flogging and no local sympathy"
Thinking about it, my attitude comes from 20 odd years with these type of cultures. I've certainly become desensitised to this mob violence but I certainly remember all the learning I went through and my initial reactions 2 decades ago reflected the same outrage incredulity and disgust initially, only to be replaced with a strong sense of "cause and effect" explanations.
I was in the Philippines playing cricket when a similar thing happened in that a Pakistani and an Indian team and spectators got so riled up that people were grabbing bats, stumps and wood and screaming and posturing. It was fucken frightful and the only reason it didn't kick off was because no one actually crossed the line by obviously striking someone. I restrained (verbally) a yank on his high horse who was playing moral arbiter in all this and I still reckon I saved his life, and mine.
This thing couldn't really escalate in NZ or Aus because the majority of bystanders wouldn't allow it to, but in PP there is not much of that moral reasoning restraint or contemplation.
I've seen a mob kick to death a guy in Bangkok who was threatening his own baby in a suicide type scenario. Cops took 3 hours to talk him down and then couldn't stop a mob of mostly women wailing in with fists and boots till he was lifeless on the concrete. You can feel the tension in the air - it's like invisible prickles and everyone's face is anxious
Oh well, shouldn't have threatened the baby, was how everyone resolved it.
Last April I got called in to counsel (talk to) an Aussie family holidaying in Thailand. 18 year old son was having a great time in the bars, where it does feel like anything goes, and was banging his jandals on a table in time to the music. Got asked to stop by barman but him and the group didn't and next thing a local shoved a pistol to his temple. Happy ending (not intended) because, luckily, the Thai broke the first rule of brandishing a weapon in that culture - "If you pull it, you have to use it"
Countless times I've been bemused why locals haven't absolutely fucken smashed some rude Aussie tourists who to all intents and purposes were asking for a hiding in most cultures
My point?
You got to be ultra aware of your surroundings and what looks like pandering to a ridiculous and bullshit display of behaviour (and it so fucken is!) is often times the best solution.
Aussies should have left things in the refs hands (FIBA sanctioned wasn't it?), taken the win, got to the airport and then vented in safety.
Must be noted that Kickert's response has been highly commendable and I'd say lesson learned.
Highlight his shortcomings as that's fixable, the Philipinos penchant and willingness to go apeshit, not so fixable I'm afraid.
One spark ignites a forest, one punch ignites a mob
and a face palm for me...
Awesome post Siam. You know more about the culture than we do clearly. I think the Aussies were a bit silly to be like that in front of such a feral crowd.
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@crucial said in Boxingball:
This is disgusting. These guys are meant to be athletes yet, from watching movies and TV most of my life, I happen to know that even 5ft tall 45kg women can execute precise takedowns and accurate deadly punches.
This looks like a brawl of spazzy 5yr olds. Punches that miss, unco looking leaps and kicks.....
Get your shit together. Both teams.Watch Banshee. That show proves you can be beaten to within an inch of your life but you can drag yourself to the pub, have a bourbon then spend the night rooting and you're right as rain the next day.
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@mn5 said in Boxingball:
@crucial said in Boxingball:
This is disgusting. These guys are meant to be athletes yet, from watching movies and TV most of my life, I happen to know that even 5ft tall 45kg women can execute precise takedowns and accurate deadly punches.
This looks like a brawl of spazzy 5yr olds. Punches that miss, unco looking leaps and kicks.....
Get your shit together. Both teams.Watch Banshee. That show proves you can be beaten to within an inch of your life but you can drag yourself to the pub, have a bourbon then spend the night rooting and you're right as rain the next day.
Absolutely. Not to mention that the hot chick you root came on to you after beating up 10 henchmen with nothing more than a wooden spoon in choreographed perfection.
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@canefan said in Boxingball:
@antipodean said in Boxingball:
I'm still astonished a sport that so clearly favours height is so popular.
Height is a definite advantage, but physical prowess is important in most games isn't it? But it is a game that is skilled and can be played and enjoyed by people of all sizes
My point was at short people playing it.
@siam said in Boxingball:
But (yep here it comes!) I'm still certain of my position that Kickert was the touch paper that ignited this nonsense
Yeah, over-the-top reaction, which makes it hard to take a moral high ground approach to what eventuated.
At least no one got stabbed. The crowd control/ security seemed to be professional.
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@siam said in Boxingball:
@ACT-Crusader
@Rancid-SchnitzelFellas, Your assumptions were indeed correct and I hadn't seen all the footage of the brawl. So to go off half cocked was certainly my bad and I apologise for wasting some of your time and energy (thought you were a bit more irrascible than usual ). poor form by me.
The reaction to the elbow was indeed way way too much, and it wasn't so much of a "typical" brawl
But (yep here it comes!) I'm still certain of my position that Kickert was the touch paper that ignited this nonsense, and his actions were naieve and worthy of strong censure, but more importantly a reminder of the peril of taking sporting laws into your own hands - a lesson that losing self control in a controlled environment (official match with referees) is universall discouraged (despite provocation because all hell can break loose.
As I said on first viewing my thoughts were "fuck man don't do that in that country and in that charged atmosphere with your team being so outnumbered. You'll get a flogging and no local sympathy"
Thinking about it, my attitude comes from 20 odd years with these type of cultures. I've certainly become desensitised to this mob violence but I certainly remember all the learning I went through and my initial reactions 2 decades ago reflected the same outrage incredulity and disgust initially, only to be replaced with a strong sense of "cause and effect" explanations.
I was in the Philippines playing cricket when a similar thing happened in that a Pakistani and an Indian team and spectators got so riled up that people were grabbing bats, stumps and wood and screaming and posturing. It was fucken frightful and the only reason it didn't kick off was because no one actually crossed the line by obviously striking someone. I restrained (verbally) a yank on his high horse who was playing moral arbiter in all this and I still reckon I saved his life, and mine.
This thing couldn't really escalate in NZ or Aus because the majority of bystanders wouldn't allow it to, but in PP there is not much of that moral reasoning restraint or contemplation.
I've seen a mob kick to death a guy in Bangkok who was threatening his own baby in a suicide type scenario. Cops took 3 hours to talk him down and then couldn't stop a mob of mostly women wailing in with fists and boots till he was lifeless on the concrete. You can feel the tension in the air - it's like invisible prickles and everyone's face is anxious
Oh well, shouldn't have threatened the baby, was how everyone resolved it.
Last April I got called in to counsel (talk to) an Aussie family holidaying in Thailand. 18 year old son was having a great time in the bars, where it does feel like anything goes, and was banging his jandals on a table in time to the music. Got asked to stop by barman but him and the group didn't and next thing a local shoved a pistol to his temple. Happy ending (not intended) because, luckily, the Thai broke the first rule of brandishing a weapon in that culture - "If you pull it, you have to use it"
Countless times I've been bemused why locals haven't absolutely fucken smashed some rude Aussie tourists who to all intents and purposes were asking for a hiding in most cultures
My point?
You got to be ultra aware of your surroundings and what looks like pandering to a ridiculous and bullshit display of behaviour (and it so fucken is!) is often times the best solution.
Aussies should have left things in the refs hands (FIBA sanctioned wasn't it?), taken the win, got to the airport and then vented in safety.
Must be noted that Kickert's response has been highly commendable and I'd say lesson learned.
Highlight his shortcomings as that's fixable, the Philipinos penchant and willingness to go apeshit, not so fixable I'm afraid.
One spark ignites a forest, one punch ignites a mob
and a face palm for me...
Damn, did you post all that with just your thumbs? Respect mate. I know it's completely wrong but I found the mob of angry women beating the guy to death to be rather funny. Obviously it was tragic, there's just something Monty Pythonesk about it.
But anyway I totally get the whole different culture, way of life, lack of law and order etc. But some expectations have to be placed on people when hosting (and that's what they were doing hosting) an international sporting event. There have to be standards. The toilets and sanitation might be disgusting out on the street, but should the Aus players have expected the same in the locker rooms?
Not that long ago English football crowds regularly made monkey noises when black players had the ball. If they did they now, their team would be heavily fined and probably lose points.
The point is that when hosting events like that you can't act like that. If you do then you should be banned from hosting them ever again. You want to play with the civilised world then act civilised for a couple of hours. If not, no more games. Would that make a difference? Don't know. But if the place is such a tinderbox then I don't see why any team should have to play there.
Ultimately it's only by setting standards and enforcing these that you can make changes for the better.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Boxingball:
@siam said in Boxingball:
@ACT-Crusader
@Rancid-SchnitzelFellas, Your assumptions were indeed correct and I hadn't seen all the footage of the brawl. So to go off half cocked was certainly my bad and I apologise for wasting some of your time and energy (thought you were a bit more irrascible than usual ). poor form by me.
The reaction to the elbow was indeed way way too much, and it wasn't so much of a "typical" brawl
But (yep here it comes!) I'm still certain of my position that Kickert was the touch paper that ignited this nonsense, and his actions were naieve and worthy of strong censure, but more importantly a reminder of the peril of taking sporting laws into your own hands - a lesson that losing self control in a controlled environment (official match with referees) is universall discouraged (despite provocation because all hell can break loose.
As I said on first viewing my thoughts were "fuck man don't do that in that country and in that charged atmosphere with your team being so outnumbered. You'll get a flogging and no local sympathy"
Thinking about it, my attitude comes from 20 odd years with these type of cultures. I've certainly become desensitised to this mob violence but I certainly remember all the learning I went through and my initial reactions 2 decades ago reflected the same outrage incredulity and disgust initially, only to be replaced with a strong sense of "cause and effect" explanations.
I was in the Philippines playing cricket when a similar thing happened in that a Pakistani and an Indian team and spectators got so riled up that people were grabbing bats, stumps and wood and screaming and posturing. It was fucken frightful and the only reason it didn't kick off was because no one actually crossed the line by obviously striking someone. I restrained (verbally) a yank on his high horse who was playing moral arbiter in all this and I still reckon I saved his life, and mine.
This thing couldn't really escalate in NZ or Aus because the majority of bystanders wouldn't allow it to, but in PP there is not much of that moral reasoning restraint or contemplation.
I've seen a mob kick to death a guy in Bangkok who was threatening his own baby in a suicide type scenario. Cops took 3 hours to talk him down and then couldn't stop a mob of mostly women wailing in with fists and boots till he was lifeless on the concrete. You can feel the tension in the air - it's like invisible prickles and everyone's face is anxious
Oh well, shouldn't have threatened the baby, was how everyone resolved it.
Last April I got called in to counsel (talk to) an Aussie family holidaying in Thailand. 18 year old son was having a great time in the bars, where it does feel like anything goes, and was banging his jandals on a table in time to the music. Got asked to stop by barman but him and the group didn't and next thing a local shoved a pistol to his temple. Happy ending (not intended) because, luckily, the Thai broke the first rule of brandishing a weapon in that culture - "If you pull it, you have to use it"
Countless times I've been bemused why locals haven't absolutely fucken smashed some rude Aussie tourists who to all intents and purposes were asking for a hiding in most cultures
My point?
You got to be ultra aware of your surroundings and what looks like pandering to a ridiculous and bullshit display of behaviour (and it so fucken is!) is often times the best solution.
Aussies should have left things in the refs hands (FIBA sanctioned wasn't it?), taken the win, got to the airport and then vented in safety.
Must be noted that Kickert's response has been highly commendable and I'd say lesson learned.
Highlight his shortcomings as that's fixable, the Philipinos penchant and willingness to go apeshit, not so fixable I'm afraid.
One spark ignites a forest, one punch ignites a mob
and a face palm for me...
Ultimately it's only by setting standards and enforcing these that you can make changes for the better.
Yeah true, but it'll only work if those standards are set from within by people of the nation. No outside intervention or condemnation will ever work - too much tribalism and Authoritarian rule.
However the younger ones are growing in a different environment (yay the interweb) and it'd be appropriate to speculate that these madness moments are gradually becoming fewer.
The populace will take no notice of Australia or FIBA, more likely to galvanise them, in my experience.
It'll all be forgotten the next time Manny appears on TV
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@siam said in Boxingball:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Boxingball:
@siam said in Boxingball:
@ACT-Crusader
@Rancid-SchnitzelFellas, Your assumptions were indeed correct and I hadn't seen all the footage of the brawl. So to go off half cocked was certainly my bad and I apologise for wasting some of your time and energy (thought you were a bit more irrascible than usual ). poor form by me.
The reaction to the elbow was indeed way way too much, and it wasn't so much of a "typical" brawl
But (yep here it comes!) I'm still certain of my position that Kickert was the touch paper that ignited this nonsense, and his actions were naieve and worthy of strong censure, but more importantly a reminder of the peril of taking sporting laws into your own hands - a lesson that losing self control in a controlled environment (official match with referees) is universall discouraged (despite provocation because all hell can break loose.
As I said on first viewing my thoughts were "fuck man don't do that in that country and in that charged atmosphere with your team being so outnumbered. You'll get a flogging and no local sympathy"
Thinking about it, my attitude comes from 20 odd years with these type of cultures. I've certainly become desensitised to this mob violence but I certainly remember all the learning I went through and my initial reactions 2 decades ago reflected the same outrage incredulity and disgust initially, only to be replaced with a strong sense of "cause and effect" explanations.
I was in the Philippines playing cricket when a similar thing happened in that a Pakistani and an Indian team and spectators got so riled up that people were grabbing bats, stumps and wood and screaming and posturing. It was fucken frightful and the only reason it didn't kick off was because no one actually crossed the line by obviously striking someone. I restrained (verbally) a yank on his high horse who was playing moral arbiter in all this and I still reckon I saved his life, and mine.
This thing couldn't really escalate in NZ or Aus because the majority of bystanders wouldn't allow it to, but in PP there is not much of that moral reasoning restraint or contemplation.
I've seen a mob kick to death a guy in Bangkok who was threatening his own baby in a suicide type scenario. Cops took 3 hours to talk him down and then couldn't stop a mob of mostly women wailing in with fists and boots till he was lifeless on the concrete. You can feel the tension in the air - it's like invisible prickles and everyone's face is anxious
Oh well, shouldn't have threatened the baby, was how everyone resolved it.
Last April I got called in to counsel (talk to) an Aussie family holidaying in Thailand. 18 year old son was having a great time in the bars, where it does feel like anything goes, and was banging his jandals on a table in time to the music. Got asked to stop by barman but him and the group didn't and next thing a local shoved a pistol to his temple. Happy ending (not intended) because, luckily, the Thai broke the first rule of brandishing a weapon in that culture - "If you pull it, you have to use it"
Countless times I've been bemused why locals haven't absolutely fucken smashed some rude Aussie tourists who to all intents and purposes were asking for a hiding in most cultures
My point?
You got to be ultra aware of your surroundings and what looks like pandering to a ridiculous and bullshit display of behaviour (and it so fucken is!) is often times the best solution.
Aussies should have left things in the refs hands (FIBA sanctioned wasn't it?), taken the win, got to the airport and then vented in safety.
Must be noted that Kickert's response has been highly commendable and I'd say lesson learned.
Highlight his shortcomings as that's fixable, the Philipinos penchant and willingness to go apeshit, not so fixable I'm afraid.
One spark ignites a forest, one punch ignites a mob
and a face palm for me...
Ultimately it's only by setting standards and enforcing these that you can make changes for the better.
Yeah true, but it'll only work if those standards are set from within by people of the nation. No outside intervention or condemnation will ever work - too much tribalism and Authoritarian rule.
However the younger ones are growing in a different environment (yay the interweb) and it'd be appropriate to speculate that these madness moments are gradually becoming fewer.
The populace will take no notice of Australia or FIBA, more likely to galvanise them, in my experience.
It'll all be forgotten the next time Manny appears on TV
Any chance of a rematch with Horn now? That would set PPV records.
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@siam said in Boxingball:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Boxingball:
@siam said in Boxingball:
@ACT-Crusader
@Rancid-SchnitzelFellas, Your assumptions were indeed correct and I hadn't seen all the footage of the brawl. So to go off half cocked was certainly my bad and I apologise for wasting some of your time and energy (thought you were a bit more irrascible than usual ). poor form by me.
The reaction to the elbow was indeed way way too much, and it wasn't so much of a "typical" brawl
But (yep here it comes!) I'm still certain of my position that Kickert was the touch paper that ignited this nonsense, and his actions were naieve and worthy of strong censure, but more importantly a reminder of the peril of taking sporting laws into your own hands - a lesson that losing self control in a controlled environment (official match with referees) is universall discouraged (despite provocation because all hell can break loose.
As I said on first viewing my thoughts were "fuck man don't do that in that country and in that charged atmosphere with your team being so outnumbered. You'll get a flogging and no local sympathy"
Thinking about it, my attitude comes from 20 odd years with these type of cultures. I've certainly become desensitised to this mob violence but I certainly remember all the learning I went through and my initial reactions 2 decades ago reflected the same outrage incredulity and disgust initially, only to be replaced with a strong sense of "cause and effect" explanations.
I was in the Philippines playing cricket when a similar thing happened in that a Pakistani and an Indian team and spectators got so riled up that people were grabbing bats, stumps and wood and screaming and posturing. It was fucken frightful and the only reason it didn't kick off was because no one actually crossed the line by obviously striking someone. I restrained (verbally) a yank on his high horse who was playing moral arbiter in all this and I still reckon I saved his life, and mine.
This thing couldn't really escalate in NZ or Aus because the majority of bystanders wouldn't allow it to, but in PP there is not much of that moral reasoning restraint or contemplation.
I've seen a mob kick to death a guy in Bangkok who was threatening his own baby in a suicide type scenario. Cops took 3 hours to talk him down and then couldn't stop a mob of mostly women wailing in with fists and boots till he was lifeless on the concrete. You can feel the tension in the air - it's like invisible prickles and everyone's face is anxious
Oh well, shouldn't have threatened the baby, was how everyone resolved it.
Last April I got called in to counsel (talk to) an Aussie family holidaying in Thailand. 18 year old son was having a great time in the bars, where it does feel like anything goes, and was banging his jandals on a table in time to the music. Got asked to stop by barman but him and the group didn't and next thing a local shoved a pistol to his temple. Happy ending (not intended) because, luckily, the Thai broke the first rule of brandishing a weapon in that culture - "If you pull it, you have to use it"
Countless times I've been bemused why locals haven't absolutely fucken smashed some rude Aussie tourists who to all intents and purposes were asking for a hiding in most cultures
My point?
You got to be ultra aware of your surroundings and what looks like pandering to a ridiculous and bullshit display of behaviour (and it so fucken is!) is often times the best solution.
Aussies should have left things in the refs hands (FIBA sanctioned wasn't it?), taken the win, got to the airport and then vented in safety.
Must be noted that Kickert's response has been highly commendable and I'd say lesson learned.
Highlight his shortcomings as that's fixable, the Philipinos penchant and willingness to go apeshit, not so fixable I'm afraid.
One spark ignites a forest, one punch ignites a mob
and a face palm for me...
Ultimately it's only by setting standards and enforcing these that you can make changes for the better.
Yeah true, but it'll only work if those standards are set from within by people of the nation. No outside intervention or condemnation will ever work - too much tribalism and Authoritarian rule.
However the younger ones are growing in a different environment (yay the interweb) and it'd be appropriate to speculate that these madness moments are gradually becoming fewer.
The populace will take no notice of Australia or FIBA, more likely to galvanise them, in my experience.
It'll all be forgotten the next time Manny appears on TV
One of my hopes with the internet is that people from countries like this get a view of how things can operate with a more transparent government (to begin with) and start to push back against the status quo.