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It's beyond a joke now. Something pretty damn serious is going on behind the scenes now to try and dethrone Trump.
Who is it that sets the tune that the media play?
What compels journalists to knowingly lie? Is there really a financial reward in it? Is this generation of 'ends justify the means' a reflection of a breakdown in basic morality?
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@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
It's beyond a joke now. Something pretty damn serious is going on behind the scenes now to try and dethrone Trump.
Who is it that sets the tune that the media play?
What compels journalists to knowingly lie? Is there really a financial reward in it? Is this generation of 'ends justify the means' a reflection of a breakdown in basic morality?
It was a miscaculation.
I think the Democrats fed the story hoping it would get hyped. It was sourceless, and impossible for Trump to PROVE wrong beyond a denial. Trump would then respond and make a mistake with the shutdown. The dems and media proxies bet that Mullers team would keep quiet and just let the gossip ciculate. But to everyones surprise Mullers team came out and said the report was false.
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@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
What compels journalists to knowingly lie? Is there really a financial reward in it? Is this generation of 'ends justify the means' a reflection of a breakdown in basic morality?
Journalists have always had a bias. I think people with certain views are attracted to certain professions. So that explains why journalists bias has generally been towards the left.
As for why it is worse now?
I think it was bad before, but there was less ability to have a competing news source. For all the talk of censorship, think how bad it was prior to the internet. Disagree with the main narrative? Well you can rant on talkback radio at 2am or start up a newsletter. Idealogical journalism was hard to call out.
The second thing the internet did is make people rush stories out. Don't fact check, just get it out.. paying the price for being wrong is better than not being first
Finally the internet depressed the salaries of journalists. So you get a few things out of that - less talent, true believers who want to influence (aka activist journalists, left & right) and trust fund kids play acting as Woodward and Bernstein.
People who would have been quality journalists 20+ years ago are more likely to be in a different profession.It's just people reacting to different incentives.
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@Duluth Maybe you are right, the fact that we have the ability to see through their BS now makes it way more apparent. It just seems that occupation is now resident to some of the worst types of people. Just reading Tommy Robinson's book and the absolute hatchet jobs on him are beyond belief, maybe if a journalist had decided to report even slightly accurately on what was going on in Luton and towns around the UK maybe this terrorism, child grooming scandals, racial tensions and hell even Brexit could have been avoided. This is probably more of a 'British politics' thing but at least in Tommys case there seems to be significant collusion between media, police and both the Tory's and Labour, whereas with the US it seems to be between media, democrats, establishment republicans and even services like the fbi.
I guess I just can't wrap my head around knowingly lying about people for a living, surely no paycheck could allay the guilt for ruining peoples lives or even selling your country down the river?
Can't wait until I meet a journo at a social gathering, would be great to ask a few questions
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@Duluth said in US Politics:
Finally the internet depressed the salaries of journalists. So you get a few things out of that - less talent, true believers who want to influence (aka activist journalists, left & right) and trust fund kids play acting as Woodward and Bernstein.
People who would have been quality journalists 20+ years ago are more likely to be in a different profession.
It's just people reacting to different incentives.That is spot on. I know a lot of ex-journalists and they all gave up because there was no money and people were doing it for free on the internet.
My wife took to speech writing at a university, several of her friends went into teaching. Professional journalism in the old school terms, while perhaps not dead, has certainly changed.
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@jegga said in US Politics:
It’s pretty incredible the amount of exposure a junior congresswoman has managed to get for herself in a very short amount of time. Reminds me a bit of Trump on the campaign trail.
Just on her marginal tax rates discussion with Colbert:
Thomas Sowell points out she either wants a symbolic high tax rate to win votes politically or she's economically ignorant:
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World’s greatest troll. Heads will be exploding on morning talkers...
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If you haven’t seen the documentary “Get Me Roger Stone” from last year (I think) definitely hunt it down, it’s funnyasfuck. Trailer:
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@Salacious-Crumb I watched it last year and the recent news comes as no surprise.
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@Salacious-Crumb said in US Politics:
World’s greatest troll. Heads will be exploding on morning talkers...
He's not been in Aus recently ...
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I find it interesting that people enjoy him trolling climate change science like that.
If he weren’t the president, I’d probably find it somewhat funny. However, he’s literally the most powerful person in the world, and doesn’t seem to have any appreciation of what that entails.
Either that or he actually thinks climate change isn’t happening, which is far scarier.
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@gt12 said in US Politics:
I find it interesting that people enjoy him trolling climate change science like that.
If he weren’t the president, I’d probably find it somewhat funny. However, he’s literally the most powerful person in the world, and doesn’t seem to have any appreciation of what that entails.
Either that or he actually thinks climate change isn’t happening, which is far scarier.
I tend to lean towards para#3
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@gt12 said in US Politics:
I find it interesting that people enjoy him trolling climate change science like that.
If he weren’t the president, I’d probably find it somewhat funny. However, he’s literally the most powerful person in the world, and doesn’t seem to have any appreciation of what that entails.
Either that or he actually thinks climate change isn’t happening, which is far scarier.
The impression I get from him is that he believes it is happening but he isn't sold on the hysterics and backing plans which have very little, if any, return on investment but a guaranteed downside for your average citizen. He certainly enjoys riling people up by even daring to joke about the most sacred of narratives.
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@gt12 said in US Politics:
I find it interesting that people enjoy him trolling climate change science like that.
If he weren’t the president, I’d probably find it somewhat funny. However, he’s literally the most powerful person in the world, and doesn’t seem to have any appreciation of what that entails.
Either that or he actually thinks climate change isn’t happening, which is far scarier.
Good thing we have people in charge who would never make exaggerated claims about an isolated weather event or spend enormous amounts of money trying to "fix" the weather.
In terms of hyperbole and generally saying irresponsible bullshit, Trump is really no different than anyone else.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in US Politics:
@gt12 said in US Politics:
I find it interesting that people enjoy him trolling climate change science like that.
If he weren’t the president, I’d probably find it somewhat funny. However, he’s literally the most powerful person in the world, and doesn’t seem to have any appreciation of what that entails.
Either that or he actually thinks climate change isn’t happening, which is far scarier.
Good thing we have people in charge who would never make exaggerated claims about an isolated weather event or spend enormous amounts of money trying to "fix" the weather.
In terms of hyperbole and generally saying irresponsible bullshit, Trump is really no different than anyone else.
Apart from being President.
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