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Just caught Arthur Sinodinos (Liberal party elder and Federal Senator) saying a bunch of fairly sensible stuff, as usual - to paraphrase: there are still a bunch of people who voted Labor. Find out what their primary issues are, and see where that could fit into our policies.
Let's remember that ScoMo didn't announce a lot of policies on the trail, and now that the "Don't Vote Shorten" policy has achieved its aim, it'll be fascinating to see what happens in terms of ministry and governance going forward - outside chance we are headed for minority government at this point so there are still a lot of voters (more than half) who are NOT Coalition.
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@NTA said in Aussie Politics:
I saw this on twitter today. A good summary of why, even though things like Franking Credits and Negative Gearing etc are hardly widespread benefits in Australia, they are seen as aspirational benefits for a wider cohort.
Thats an interesting take until the last line, I disagree there. People have hope about the future whether or not they actually put anything into practice to make their own future better is another story but the thought that someone might take it away from them is not a vote winner. Looks like Labor ran a similar campaign to NZ Labour in 2014 which was a similar dumpster fire , the Labour leader actually apologised for being a man while he was on the campaign trail.
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@NTA said in Aussie Politics:
@ACT-Crusader said in Aussie Politics:
I think there will be a far more pragmatic approach given how things played out in the election and the debate.
What are the chances of the NEG being resurrected with another acronym?
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Aussie Politics:
Depends what the change entails. Maybe Labor didn't sell their message well enough or people didn't like what they were selling? There's a thought.
Their tax cuts agenda over the next few years was practically identical unless you earned over $200K - a small percentage of the population.
More services funding promised at the expense of franking credits and negative gearing / CGT tax breaks - again a small percentage.Of course, how Labor was going to pay for all this was a moot, but academic, point.
So we'll have to go with delivery?
Most of the population wouldn't know what a franking credit is and couldn't care less about negative gearing.
The argument was that it was just a massive scare campaign that did the job. That's garbage and the Labor pols spitting chips about that have short memories (Mediscare anyone), didn't even see their own campaign, or are just making bs excuses.
See that Alex Turnbull deleted his Twitter account. Wonder how much him and his old man wasted on their ridiculous vendetta.
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@Nevorian said in Aussie Politics:
@rotated I would say his "Shit happens" comment would probably stick out most clearly in my mind. But in the end it turned out knifing Turnbull in the back was a good thing for the LNP.
What was your issue with the "shit happens" comment?
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Aussie Politics:
See that Alex Turnbull deleted his Twitter account. Wonder how much him and his old man wasted on their ridiculous vendetta.
Alex put $15K into an independent's Senate campaign in ACT (Pesec). Rentseekers for climate action. Delusionally he thought he'd get enough to dispose Sed - #1 on the Liberal ticket. Currently has just over 5%
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Aussie Politics:
Most of the population wouldn't know what a franking credit is and couldn't care less about negative gearing.
Makes it easier to scare them. Particularly if they're thinking its something they'll be entitled to some day, even if they don't get it now - see the twitter thing I posted up about aspiration.
The argument was that it was just a massive scare campaign that did the job.
No, that actually wasn't the whole argument, but it was definitely one of the reasons. Both sides had their Budget nights to lay out some grand plans, but the Libs aka ScoMo just kept hammering home the lack of cut-through Shorten had, and the fact that "Ooh change gonna be scary!" and "Look at all those new taxes!"
Simple message. Did the trick.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Aussie Politics:
@Nevorian said in Aussie Politics:
@rotated I would say his "Shit happens" comment would probably stick out most clearly in my mind. But in the end it turned out knifing Turnbull in the back was a good thing for the LNP.
What was your issue with the "shit happens" comment?
I think a senior politician could have chosen more sensitive words to describe the reason for one of his soldiers deaths. Happy to disagree if you think otherwise. There were other comments I think about women giving away their virginity too easily etc but happy to let it pass.
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IMO Shorten made the astonishing error of trying to promise too much to too many people rather than hammering the contrast between the Coalition and Labor.
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@Nevorian said in Aussie Politics:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Aussie Politics:
@Nevorian said in Aussie Politics:
@rotated I would say his "Shit happens" comment would probably stick out most clearly in my mind. But in the end it turned out knifing Turnbull in the back was a good thing for the LNP.
What was your issue with the "shit happens" comment?
I think a senior politician could have chosen more sensitive words to describe the reason for one of his soldiers deaths. Happy to disagree if you think otherwise.
The problem I have with that is he was receiving a briefing from the military explaining what happened. One of Murphy's Laws of combat is anything you do can get you killed, including nothing, i.e. even if your fieldcraft is up to scratch, sometimes it really doesn't matter; tragedies happen. It sucks, but that's how it is. The refrain "shit happens" is a common refrain in the military which is why Major General Cantwell (who was once my boss) replies immediately to Abbott: "It certainly does, yeah."
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@NTA said in Aussie Politics:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Aussie Politics:
Most of the population wouldn't know what a franking credit is and couldn't care less about negative gearing.
Makes it easier to scare them. Particularly if they're thinking its something they'll be entitled to some day, even if they don't get it now - see the twitter thing I posted up about aspiration.
The argument was that it was just a massive scare campaign that did the job.
No, that actually wasn't the whole argument, but it was definitely one of the reasons. Both sides had their Budget nights to lay out some grand plans, but the Libs aka ScoMo just kept hammering home the lack of cut-through Shorten had, and the fact that "Ooh change gonna be scary!" and "Look at all those new taxes!"
Simple message. Did the trick.
That's far too simplistic and is simply parroting the Labor excuses. Again, most people couldn't give a shit about franking credits or NG. They should have pissed it in regardless.
How about Shorten refusing to state how much his climate policy would cost? How about the fact he's a weird shifty looking fĹŻcka? The electorate were never sold on him and the election showed that. So yes, it was about delivery.
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@antipodean said in Aussie Politics:
IMO Shorten made the astonishing error of trying to promise too much to too many people rather than hammering the contrast between the Coalition and Labor.
Yep. Rode a razor wire between the inner city lefties and mining country and got his nuts cut off.
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@jegga said in Aussie Politics:
Shorten seems to be a bit of an arrogant tool
There are some conventions around this stuff, but like most things with Shorten his execution is off and it always comes across as him trying to “get one up”.
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@antipodean said in Aussie Politics:
@Nevorian said in Aussie Politics:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Aussie Politics:
@Nevorian said in Aussie Politics:
@rotated I would say his "Shit happens" comment would probably stick out most clearly in my mind. But in the end it turned out knifing Turnbull in the back was a good thing for the LNP.
What was your issue with the "shit happens" comment?
I think a senior politician could have chosen more sensitive words to describe the reason for one of his soldiers deaths. Happy to disagree if you think otherwise.
The problem I have with that is he was receiving a briefing from the military explaining what happened. One of Murphy's Laws of combat is anything you do can get you killed, including nothing, i.e. even if your fieldcraft is up to scratch, sometimes it really doesn't matter; tragedies happen. It sucks, but that's how it is. The refrain "shit happens" is a common refrain in the military which is why Major General Cantwell (who was once my boss) replies immediately to Abbott: "It certainly does, yeah."
Good on you for recounting that accurately Antipodean.
The media goon who felt compelled to eavesdrop with the sole purpose of adding to the "Abbott Abbott Abbott!" dirt file deserved to pulled aside and kicked in the cods for his impudence. They are permitted to attend at the pleasure of the local commander on the understanding that they will comport themselves as mature adults, not grubby little schoolboys.
Mates of mine from Vietnam onwards despise the mongrels. I recall the reaction of one of them, a retired RSM, when we heard news of ABC Richard Carleton's death - we were standing at the bar of the Workers Club close by here on a Sunday afternoon and he murmured "Look I'll go out of turn and get the next shout if you don't mind, with whisky chasers. Best news I've heard all week."
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@booboo said in Aussie Politics:
@antipodean said in Aussie Politics:
So the two front runners for Labor Leader are from the NSW Left. One of them states that Labor didn't have enough time to explain to the electorate how they'd all benefit from Labor's policies.
Talk about doubling down on dumb.
Who dey?
At this stage maybe Albo and Plibersek. They're left leaning.
Another guy from the Hunter threw his hat in the ring today. Fitzgibbon? But more toward the centre (right of Labor)
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@NTA said in Aussie Politics:
@booboo said in Aussie Politics:
@antipodean said in Aussie Politics:
So the two front runners for Labor Leader are from the NSW Left. One of them states that Labor didn't have enough time to explain to the electorate how they'd all benefit from Labor's policies.
Talk about doubling down on dumb.
Who dey?
At this stage maybe Albo and Plibersek. They're left leaning.
If Labor think the solution to their problems lies with the NSW Left, they're even more brain damaged than I thought.
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Mishel Laurie has a very misleading twitter profile pic, it effectively disguises her landwhale status .
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@antipodean my favourites are the clowns who say they are leaving the country and then don’t . It even happens in NZ , Alan Duff said he’d leave when Clark got in , then didn’t.
If Anika Moa says she’ll leave when National get in I’ll help the vile cretin pack .
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As sure as night follows day, as soon as a right of centre party beats a left of centre party in an election, then the supporters of said left of centre party will dub whole swathes of people, including entire states, as un-educated, ignorant, and selfish. They will unashamedly make claims about people falling for the other side's dirty scare campaign, about how people fell for soundbites rather than virtue, and make further claims about how this has set the country back years, as how could these people not feel the same as them?
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