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@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@MajorRage said in British Politics:
IF the EU maintain their stance that the deal negotiation is over and closed
Big IF.
What do you think would make them change their stance? Genuine question as I can't see what anyone else would bring to the table that would make any great difference.
What stance? May has been so supine I'd question if it's ever been challenged.
Can't think of a single concession the EU has made can you?
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@Catogrande said in British Politics:
It's rarely in GEs that the fringe parties have anything other than a swing effect to one of the two main parties.
We be seem to living in times where the "rare and unprecedented" is becoming the normal.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@MajorRage said in British Politics:
IF the EU maintain their stance that the deal negotiation is over and closed
Big IF.
What do you think would make them change their stance? Genuine question as I can't see what anyone else would bring to the table that would make any great difference.
What stance? May has been so supine I'd question if it's ever been challenged.
Can't think of a single concession the EU has made can you?
I honestly don't know but I'd be interested to know what concessions anyone thinks would be appropriate AND get the backing of the commons
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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@Catogrande said in British Politics:
It's rarely in GEs that the fringe parties have anything other than a swing effect to one of the two main parties.
We be seem to living in times where the "rare and unprecedented" is becoming the normal.
We're certainly in interesting times. I guess we'll find out whether there is any impact on a GE as the Tories are in disarray and you do wonder if a GE is likely sooner than the calendar would indicate.
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@Catogrande said in British Politics:
I honestly don't know but I'd be interested to know what concessions anyone thinks would be appropriate AND get the backing of the commons
I'm missing something here. Why would the HoC not want to back a concession from the EU which benefits the UK?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@Catogrande said in British Politics:
I honestly don't know but I'd be interested to know what concessions anyone thinks would be appropriate AND get the backing of the commons
I'm missing something here. Why would the HoC not want to back a concession from the EU which benefits the UK?
Broader terms. I should have said and still get the backing of the Commons for an agreement. The Commons is a clusterfuck of divided opinions, so getting any form of agreement is seemingly fanciful. Everyone knows this, certainly the EU know this. Why would they make any concessions when they know how weak we are?
i get your point, but I just don't see it as that simple. We cannot agree amongst ourselves even if we had a unilateral decision option.
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Revoking A50 for many was about resetting the situation and trying to negotiate from afresh. It wasn’t igorhe voters.
We all can see what a balls up of negotiating Maybot made but trying to Step back and regain ground is actually sensible idea. Without doing that @MajorRage s post about no movement from the EU will be the outcome -
@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@MajorRage said in British Politics:
@Catogrande Dunno mate, some leadership that moves forwards will be a welcome thing.
I hope like hell it's not Johnson, but it's a possibility.
I think either that Nebbish Hammond or an out and out Brexiteer. Either way they will have to deal with the EU that don't want us to go and the Commons that don't want us to go.
Continuing shit storm for the time being I feel.
Nebbish is a tremendous word Cato. And yeah, Hammond is one.
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@Crucial said in British Politics:
Revoking A50 for many was about resetting the situation and trying to negotiate from afresh. It wasn’t igorhe voters.
114 MPs voted against invoking A50 before negotiations had even started.
And calls by MPs for a 2nd referendum started days after the referendum result and almost a year before negotiations started.
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@MajorRage said in British Politics:
@Crucial which post of mine?
Not disagreeing!
@MajorRage said in British Politics:
Lots of thoughts above but one missing.
The new leader goes to EU and hears, once again, there is no further movement possible. The new PM is then forced to either concede and try and push through the deal, or accept no deal against the Views of almost all advisors.
That’s what I think will happen.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@Crucial said in British Politics:
Revoking A50 for many was about resetting the situation and trying to negotiate from afresh. It wasn’t igorhe voters.
114 MPs voted against invoking A50 before negotiations had even started.
Don’t confuse that directly with trying to stop Brexit. Setting a date before negotiations was one of Mays big mistakes.
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@Crucial said in British Politics:
Don’t confuse that directly with trying to stop Brexit. Setting a date before negotiations was one of Mays big mistakes.
“I have to sell this house to you by the end of the month, now what will you pay me for it?”Negotiations couldn't start until A50 was invoked. IIRC the EU said it was part of Lisbon Treaty and refused to do so.
Of course all those MP's wouldn't know that, and were only interested in a successful UK exit from the EU...
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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@Crucial said in British Politics:
Don’t confuse that directly with trying to stop Brexit. Setting a date before negotiations was one of Mays big mistakes.
“I have to sell this house to you by the end of the month, now what will you pay me for it?”Negotiations couldn't start until A50 was invoked. IIRC the EU said it was part of Lisbon Treaty and refused to do so.
Of course all those MP's wouldn't know that, and were only interested in a successful UK exit from the EU...
While A50 says that invoking it means you have 2 years to negotiate there is nothing that says you have to invoke to start negotiations.
Of course the EU could refuse to talk beforehand but the ball was in the UKs court as to when to hit the start button. They could have signalled their intentions and spent time planning the exit.
I do admit that the process is heavily in favour of the EU as no deal hurts the exiting party more than them.
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@Crucial said in British Politics:
While A50 says that invoking it means you have 2 years to negotiate there is nothing that says you have to invoke to start negotiations.
Well, nothing apart from international law and treaties.
"EU leaders and officials have consistently argued that, legally, they cannot open the exit negotiations with the UK until Article 50 has been invoked."
That’s why the more time spent planning and lobbying before negotiating the better
Up to a point on preparing for a no-deal scenario. But almost certainly counter-productive as you wouldn't know the other sides negotiating stance.
Not that we heard any of these arguments from those MP voting against A50 or in favour of revoking it.
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Excellent, due to brexit there less tourists who spend nothing here while defecating wherever they feel like it .
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@jegga said in British Politics:
Excellent, due to brexit there less tourists who spend nothing here while defecating wherever they feel like it .
I think you’re getting the Brits and the Huns confused with the Greeks.
And the Pikies.
We like to queue for a shit.
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@jegga said in British Politics:
Excellent, due to brexit there less tourists who spend nothing here while defecating wherever they feel like it .
They indeed spend nothing.
Apart from 167m
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@MajorRage said in British Politics:
@jegga said in British Politics:
Excellent, due to brexit there less tourists who spend nothing here while defecating wherever they feel like it .
They indeed spend nothing.
Apart from 167m
That’s not even up there with Charlie Sheen’s charlie habit cost.
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