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@Salacious-Crumb said in The Folau Factor:
@NTA said in The Folau Factor:
@Salacious-Crumb said in The Folau Factor:
What’s the bullshit we’re allegedly selling?
I'm not actually sure, because it relates to some mythical "freedom of speech" or "freedom of religion" beat that has nothing to do with Folau's lack of employment to this point.
Well, that’s one perspective. Completely unconvincing. But it’s a perspective, and again, not worth losing a job over.
You misunderstand.
I'm not sure what bullshit YOU are trying to sell in supporting Folau, while mouthing platitudes to ideals that are completely irrelevant to him getting fired.
He was never denied the right to practise his religion or say what he wants - it was merely stated to him that it was incompatible with his status as a paid Rugby professional, and he chose to repeat the dose, then double down.
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@Crucial said in The Folau Factor:
@Catogrande said in The Folau Factor:
@taniwharugby said in The Folau Factor:
isnt Folau suing because he was sacked due to his Religious beliefs rather than free speech, because IMO there is a big difference.
I'm not sure quite what his defence is but that would seem the logical avenue. To me the whole thing is quite simple and can be boiled down to;-
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Is what he tweeted a dick thing to have said?
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Should he be able to articulate such views?
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Did he violate an agreement between himself and the ARU?
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If the answer to 3 is yes does that trump his right to freedom of expression and/or his religious beliefs?
I'd guess that is what will be decided by the legal process and is really what separates most opinions on this thread. For me, the agreement (if it properly exists), trumps all.
I guess we'll see in due course.
The other point is that if he says the agreement was outside of his legal rights , did he ever make that view clear to his employer BEFORE ignoring it?
There was nothing stopping him declaring that they can't stop him making religious statements and therefore he would do so. If they want to challenge that view they can do so in employment court. ie turn the tables.
Crying after agreeing to follow an agreement is weak.All of those issues @Catogrande and @Crucial may be raised but the success of these types of matters will come down to what evidence the ARU have that demonstrates they didn’t terminate the contract for an unlawful purpose.
There have probably been two precedent setting High Court judgements (Bendigo TAFE and BHP) around termination that both explored what the mindset of the managers that made the decision to terminate.
So if I were in the Folau camp I would subpoena Castle and any other ARU execs that were involved in the decision and ask them what they thought when they saw the tweet, why they thought it and how they came to the position that it was enough to announce that they were ‘moving to terminate’. Ask them if they knew it was a religious post etc.
Regardless of the outcome, the media articles that will flow from the trial alone will put massive pressure on both parties, particularly RA.
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@ACT-Crusader said in The Folau Factor:
Regardless of the outcome, the media articles that will flow from the trial alone will put massive pressure on both parties, particularly RA.
And provide massive coverage. So it's a double edged sword.
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@taniwharugby "no such thing as bad publicity" for Rugby here?
Undecided.
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@MajorRage said in The Folau Factor:
@Rembrandt That's a different unrelated issue and yes, lets not pollute this thread with that ...
@Rancid-Schnitzel cool, so you agree with me didn't say that Folau couldn't do it.
Agree he never said he deserved it more. But he put his claim right beside them, with a significantly larger target. It makes him look like a colossal self-obsessed shitbag and that is what Drew is calling him.
Cool, so you agree that he was bullshitting when he claimed that Folau said he deserved money more than those other causes.
But even making a comparison like that is purile. My wife had a GoFundMe page for experimental cancer treatment. There were probably more people asking for more cash for film projects or other frivolous shit. Didn't make her or me want to get pissed off at them or make the completely bullshit and unfair claim that they felt they deserved the money more than us.
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@Bones said in The Folau Factor:
@Mokey said in The Folau Factor:
One thing I would really like to know is why Folau is wanting 3 million when even a generous estimate wouldn't put his legal defence costs anywhere near that.
Pretty obvious really...
When I see Israel Folau the characteristic I have noticed most is how readily and how often he smiles. When he does something exceptional his immediate reaction is a big happy smile, he appears as a bloke who enjoys what he does with the people around him.
I see here a childish outburst from Our Clyde which reminds me that each time I have seen his occasional pieces on rugby they are bellicose, omniscient, sanctimonious, hectoring and, in this example, employing ridicule. It seems he fancies himself as an aspiring sports writer and social commentator, in the manner of Peter Fitzsimons.
I do not think an exchange with Our Clyde would be a good conversation.
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@Mick-Gold-Coast-QLD said in The Folau Factor:
@Bones said in The Folau Factor:
@Mokey said in The Folau Factor:
One thing I would really like to know is why Folau is wanting 3 million when even a generous estimate wouldn't put his legal defence costs anywhere near that.
Pretty obvious really...
When I see Israel Folau the characteristic I have noticed most is how readily and how often he smiles. When he does something exceptional his immediate reaction is a big happy smile, he appears as a bloke who enjoys what he does with the people around him.
I see here a childish outburst from Our Clyde which reminds me that each time I have seen his occasional pieces on rugby they are bellicose, omniscient, sanctimonious, hectoring and, in this example, employing ridicule. It seems he fancies himself as an aspiring sports writer and social commentator, in the manner of Peter Fitzsimons.
I do not think an exchange with Our Clyde would be a good conversation.
Rathbones always struck me as a bit of a fluffybunny based on behaviour like captaining South Africa in under 21s then whoring himself between two unions for his allegiance . It was quite pleasing to see his former team mates occasionally single him out for a bit of payback.
The smug "nothing to see here move along" attitude of the ARU when they made an offer South Africa couldn't match was in contrast to their shrill response to Jason Jones Hughes remembering he was Welsh when Graham Henry flashed some more cash to him.
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@Mick-Gold-Coast-QLD OK...thanks for that...
Bloody funny tweet though. Happy to be childish.
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@Mick-Gold-Coast-QLD said in The Folau Factor:
@Bones said in The Folau Factor:
@Mokey said in The Folau Factor:
One thing I would really like to know is why Folau is wanting 3 million when even a generous estimate wouldn't put his legal defence costs anywhere near that.
Pretty obvious really...
When I see Israel Folau the characteristic I have noticed most is how readily and how often he smiles. When he does something exceptional his immediate reaction is a big happy smile, he appears as a bloke who enjoys what he does with the people around him.
I see here a childish outburst from Our Clyde which reminds me that each time I have seen his occasional pieces on rugby they are bellicose, omniscient, sanctimonious,
So you're calling Clyde sanctimonious, in the context of Folau's defending himself on religious grounds, when he's been fired based on nothing to do with religious grounds.
The ironing is delicious.
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@Bones said in The Folau Factor:
@Mick-Gold-Coast-QLD OK...thanks for that...
Bloody funny tweet though. Happy to be childish.
It was very funny. Good stuff Rathbone!
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@Mick-Gold-Coast-QLD said in The Folau Factor:
@Bones said in The Folau Factor:
@Mokey said in The Folau Factor:
One thing I would really like to know is why Folau is wanting 3 million when even a generous estimate wouldn't put his legal defence costs anywhere near that.
Pretty obvious really...
When I see Israel Folau the characteristic I have noticed most is how readily and how often he smiles. When he does something exceptional his immediate reaction is a big happy smile, he appears as a bloke who enjoys what he does with the people around him.
I see here a childish outburst from Our Clyde which reminds me that each time I have seen his occasional pieces on rugby they are bellicose, omniscient, sanctimonious, hectoring and, in this example, employing ridicule. It seems he fancies himself as an aspiring sports writer and social commentator, in the manner of Peter Fitzsimons.
I do not think an exchange with Our Clyde would be a good conversation.
Anything I've read by him has been self-indulgent nonsense. I find no humour in one twat slagging off another twat.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
@Mick-Gold-Coast-QLD said in The Folau Factor:
@Bones said in The Folau Factor:
@Mokey said in The Folau Factor:
One thing I would really like to know is why Folau is wanting 3 million when even a generous estimate wouldn't put his legal defence costs anywhere near that.
Pretty obvious really...
When I see Israel Folau the characteristic I have noticed most is how readily and how often he smiles. When he does something exceptional his immediate reaction is a big happy smile, he appears as a bloke who enjoys what he does with the people around him.
I see here a childish outburst from Our Clyde which reminds me that each time I have seen his occasional pieces on rugby they are bellicose, omniscient, sanctimonious, hectoring and, in this example, employing ridicule. It seems he fancies himself as an aspiring sports writer and social commentator, in the manner of Peter Fitzsimons.
I do not think an exchange with Our Clyde would be a good conversation.
Anything I've read by him has been self-indulgent nonsense. I find no humour in one twat slagging off another twat.
Reminds me of Stephen Jones and Spiro Zavos slagging each other off in the past . Its hard to give a fuck either way whos right or wrong when they are both fuckwits.
Did Phil Kearns weigh in on this?
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The Folau Factor:
@Mick-Gold-Coast-QLD said in The Folau Factor:
@Bones said in The Folau Factor:
@Mokey said in The Folau Factor:
One thing I would really like to know is why Folau is wanting 3 million when even a generous estimate wouldn't put his legal defence costs anywhere near that.
Pretty obvious really...
When I see Israel Folau the characteristic I have noticed most is how readily and how often he smiles. When he does something exceptional his immediate reaction is a big happy smile, he appears as a bloke who enjoys what he does with the people around him.
I see here a childish outburst from Our Clyde which reminds me that each time I have seen his occasional pieces on rugby they are bellicose, omniscient, sanctimonious, hectoring and, in this example, employing ridicule. It seems he fancies himself as an aspiring sports writer and social commentator, in the manner of Peter Fitzsimons.
I do not think an exchange with Our Clyde would be a good conversation.
Anything I've read by him has been self-indulgent nonsense. I find no humour in one twat slagging off another twat.
You're missing out bro.
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