Coronavirus - Australia
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@mariner4life This week my car broke down so I had to pay a mechanic, my car insurance premium was also due. There goes my $1000. I'm sure people would find a way to spend free money.
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Why do people who have jobs and are working need income support?
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@mariner4life Likely because many are low income workers who struggle on their current incomes. I think the supermarkets pay close to $25 an hour. That is what $800 after tax a week. Pretty tough for a family to pay the rent, groceries and live on that.
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@chimoaus said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@mariner4life Likely because many are low income workers who struggle on their current incomes. I think the supermarkets pay close to $25 an hour. That is what $800 after tax a week. Pretty tough for a family to pay the rent, groceries and live on that.
That's not what we are talking about though is it?
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@mariner4life I don't know the right answer, all I know is it seems odd that essential workers who are most at risk receive the least amount of support because they have a "job". I don't see how it is fair I will hopefully get $1500 a fortnight because I am out of work yet my wife still has to get up and go to work and be at risk and gets $0 support.
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Because they have an income. Yes they have to work for it, but isn't that the general idea?
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
So if the government wants to absorb those costs, it simply means succeeding generations will pay. An increasingly heavy price.
Works for everything else the Libs have done this century. Why stop?
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Think the idea is relatively robust.
$1500 a fortnight is about 80% of the median salary (~$49k). About half the national average salary, too.
If it is used for top-ups to help companies keep employees - that need to meet hurdles, let's not forget - then it helps business stay up for the next few months.
It isn't ideal, but what is? Pay everyone the same and give us food ration cards? YA BLOODY COMMIE!!
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@NTA said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
So if the government wants to absorb those costs, it simply means succeeding generations will pay. An increasingly heavy price.
Works for everything else the Libs have done this century. Why stop?
Fuck off leftie
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@NTA said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
So if the government wants to absorb those costs, it simply means succeeding generations will pay. An increasingly heavy price.
Works for everything else the Libs have done this century. Why stop?
Fuck off leftie
Maybe this virus is just ScoMo playing six-dimensional chess to kill the boomers claiming franking credits?
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I'm rolling my eyes so hard
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@NTA If I qualify it will be a great program, if I don't It will be terrible
I agree it sounds good, but there will still be plenty who do not qualify. Probably be a few businesses that have let casuals go but have not had a 30% drop.
In my own personal circumstance I am out of work but am not an Australian citizen so Jobseeker could be an issue. If my employer is not eligible I get $0. If my employer is eligible I could get $18,000 over 6 months. So I will now wait patiently to see how my employers turnover is looking.
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@chimoaus said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@mariner4life Likely because many are low income workers who struggle on their current incomes. I think the supermarkets pay close to $25 an hour. That is what $800 after tax a week. Pretty tough for a family to pay the rent, groceries and live on that.
So if they are a family on that level of income they basically wouldn’t be paying any tax because they would be eligible for other benefits - FTA, FTB, Rent assistance.
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going to be interesting to see how this all goes , proving the 30 percent less profit bit , you get flucuations on paper in good times from quarter to quarter , you almost need the full 12 months for it to be accurate in some cases ,
in my case I have a small( used to be big ) landscaping business ,scaled things down around xmas luckily, pay myself a wage , just myself permanent, and bring in contractors and casual labour as i need them ,
Work is showing signs of drying up now , mostly domestic work, not exactly a time where people want tradies at their house ,
So i should be legally eligible for $1500 a fortnight to sit on my arse while the missus goes to work , dont have many expenses at all,
I wasnt expecting this, hasnt happened yet, but I would almost feel guilty taking it to be honest
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Why do people who have jobs and are working need income support?
Because Australian politicians are terrified of recessions. Anything to not be 'that guy'.
Tbh, just a flippant remark. I haven't read up enough yet on the job keeper allowance. Seems like 'main street' stimulus, which is better than the other option.
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@Rapido said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Why do people who have jobs and are working need income support?
Because Australian politicians are terrified of recessions. Anything to not be 'that guy'.
Tbh, just a flippant remark. I haven't read up enough yet on the job keeper allowance. Seems like 'main street' stimulus, which is better than the other option.
It's not a flippant remark - it's accurate. Rudd was so panicked at the thought of being the first he followed Henry's advice and handed out cash to dead people and people living overseas. This did just enough to prevent a technical recession. The Liberals have long presented themselves as the superior financial managers because they're not winning the electorate over on social spending.
Now the government has obviously realised there's nothing they can do to prevent a recession, so more than a decade of "we've got a plan for paying down the debt", we're instead going to have the government pay half the wages for half the workforce. A jump in total government spending of 50 per cent, or put another way; 13 per cent of national income for the Âperiod.
I see commentators are applauding the breadth and depth of this plan to burden future generations but not one of them is capable of explaining how this stimulus works when people can't go out and spend money in a services based economy.
For less than 5000 confirmed cases and 18 deaths two months after the first confirmed case...
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
I see commentators are applauding the breadth and depth of this plan to burden future generations but not one of them is capable of explaining how this stimulus works when people can't go out and spend money in a services based economy.
The money won't evaporate out of their account magically every fortnight if they don't spend it. They'll either spend it on what they need for getting by, or hang onto what they can and discretionary spend once this is all over.
In the meantime, the measures in place are going to fucking hurt large parts of the business community.
So, if 18 deaths is too low a bar, put a number on it. What's your acceptable body count to the end of the year?