Coronavirus - Overall
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@voodoo I think the numbers everywhere are likely higher than reported, but it's about if they have it under control or not.
Italy's numbers are supposedly dropping, but they have a very long way to go.
The next 4 days will likely determine if we see a relaxing of lockdown over the next couple of weeks.
I could continue to work from home, my wife has full ppe gear for when she has been working st a retirement village, looked like someone from one if those outbreak movies...I did tell her to do her shop in it, but she won't haha.
I am sure plenty could restart (tradies for example, just up to the project manager to limit the people on site) takeaway shops, many have ability to simply sell through a window or am sure they could work out a way to do it...provided they stick to a set criteria.
There is a huge problem with all this conjecture. Which is that the flattened curve in Italy only shows what happens with an intense lockdown. Maybe numbers of daily indentified infections will fall. Meanwhile, herd immunity may be rising only very slowly. So a relaxation (how and when?) allows some trade off of higher deaths for increased economic activity. But without any significant increase in herd immunity it's unlikely the relaxations can be that great.
I look closely at Holland, where people who can't work from home can go to work (like UK) but where some interactions remain permitted: https://www.government.nl/topics/coronavirus-covid-19/tackling-new-coronavirus-in-the-netherlands .
The results suggest that the benefits of such an approach are no less (and possibly are better) than in UK/Italy/France. This article gives an interesting viewpoint: https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/04/coronavirus-statistics-show-lockdowns-are-slowing-rate-of-infection/ .
Key para: It will take weeks before we can say definitively which country’s strategy has been the best, but one plausible conclusion is that the real difference has come from preventing mass gatherings in confined spaces: football matches, concerts, high streets, railway stations and bars and restaurants.
That may inform a sensible initial relaxation.
The stark reality is that, barring an early vaccine, the question to be answered in Europe is, 'What is the maximum tolerable death rate?'. And, "Can we trust our citizens to respect social distancing?'.
NZ's isolation does allow a slightly different approach.
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@pakman Italy, Spain, even England to a great degree, their populations did not appear to be overly compliant with social distancing and generally doing what they are told. In contrast, Sweden, and other Scandinavian countries who are good at following instructions, might get away with more relaxed rules
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Meanwhile in the FFS news
Coronavirus: Police warn Scottish medical chief Catherine Calderwood after holiday home visit
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Meanwhile in the FFS news
Coronavirus: Police warn Scottish medical chief Catherine Calderwood after holiday home visit
Should recent but won't because she is a SNP. Typical hypocrisy from a Scots Nat.
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@MiketheSnow Great questions that have to be answered. Health related due to isolation and depression, CA, suicides etc.
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Everyone should watch this, especially the NZ govt. Great video.
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Doesn't seem a good video to me, although I had no sound. Is the 20,000 projected deaths / 8,000 'extra' deaths projected from numbers with the restrictions?
If the purpose of the video is 'we are all over-reacting' then they need to use the projected number in their video that is modelled from some 'let's not over-react' restrictions.
UK starts social distancing after new model points to 260 000 potential deaths
from: https://www.bmj.com/content/368/bmj.m1089Models aren't gospel, maybe 260,000 is acceptable even, but the sky video above just seems like mis-information to me.
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@Rapido said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Doesn't seem a good video to me, although I had no sound. Is the 20,000 projected deaths / 8,000 'extra' deaths projected from numbers with the restrictions?
If the purpose of the video is 'we are all over-reacting' then they need to use the projected number in their video that is modelled from some 'let's not over-react' restrictions.
UK starts social distancing after new model points to 260 000 potential deaths
from: https://www.bmj.com/content/368/bmj.m1089Models aren't gospel, maybe 260,000 is acceptable even, but the sky video above just seems like mis-information to me.
I admire your ability to not listen to a video, guess it's contents , and then critique it as misinformation. That is next level ferning.
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You're welcome.
Here's another critique:
Things changed swiftly after an epidemiological model from Imperial College London projected that without drastic interventions, more than half a million Britons would die from COVID-19
No idea if they're correct. But neither do Sky news.
versus:
UK can keep Covid-19 deaths below 20,000, says medical director
Professor Stephen Powis has said the national effort can work if everyone plays their part
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Meanwhile in the FFS news
Coronavirus: Police warn Scottish medical chief Catherine Calderwood after holiday home visit
She resigned.
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@Rapido said in Coronavirus - Overall:
You're welcome.
Here's another critique:
Things changed swiftly after an epidemiological model from Imperial College London projected that without drastic interventions, more than half a million Britons would die from COVID-19
No idea if they're correct. But neither do Sky news.
versus:
UK can keep Covid-19 deaths below 20,000, says medical director
Professor Stephen Powis has said the national effort can work if everyone plays their part
You are still arguing against something nobody has said....
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@sparky said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Meanwhile in the FFS news
Coronavirus: Police warn Scottish medical chief Catherine Calderwood after holiday home visit
She resigned.
Correct result, wrong action.
Should have been fired on the spot.
Sturgeon tough? No nonesense?
Bollocks. Just like the rest of them. Spineless.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Rapido said in Coronavirus - Overall:
You're welcome.
Here's another critique:
Things changed swiftly after an epidemiological model from Imperial College London projected that without drastic interventions, more than half a million Britons would die from COVID-19
No idea if they're correct. But neither do Sky news.
versus:
UK can keep Covid-19 deaths below 20,000, says medical director
Professor Stephen Powis has said the national effort can work if everyone plays their part
You are still arguing against something nobody has said....
Not too far off blocking you there TBH. You’ve become really tedious in a short amount of time.