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@antipodean yeah I get that and I know we have had others in quarantine who were tested and were positive, I am working on the hopeful assumption they are currently in quarantine (and havent been anywhere to transmit it) and as we were told, every new arrival is tested.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean yeah I get that and I know we have had others in quarantine who were tested and were positive, I am working on the hopeful assumption they are currently in quarantine (and havent been anywhere to transmit it) and as we were told, every new arrival is tested.
It makes sense to me that if you quarantine every visitor, then testing them becomes merely a useful statistic.
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So it would be fair to assume they have been in our community if they have been to a funeral?
One of my colleagues went to a funeral up here and a guy had flown in from Aus to attend, he wasnt wearing mask or anything.
Clusterfuck waiting to happen, absolute fucking moronic fuckers!!
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/two-new-covid-19-cases-confirmed-breaking-24-day-streak
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@taniwharugby someone needs to get sacked for this. I need an address to send my invoice for lost income when they screw this up and we reenter lockdown
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@canefan if we re-enter lockdown, we will be well and truly fucked.
Better not be that fluffybunny Lees-Galloway, that fucker shoulda been fired over the Schroebeck debacle!
Assume people that attended that funeral will all now have to isloate? Govt gonna compensate them?
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@taniwharugby It is sad for people who can't say their goodbyes. But in the current environment this is exactly why there can be no exceptions. I wonder how you get an exemption. I wonder who in the government these people are connected to?
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@canefan reports coming through on Stuff indicate they were not in the wider community, only in contact with another family member, but border and quarantine staff now being tested.
They travelled via Doha and into Brisbane from the UK
There are still Kiwis hoping to come home, which is why managed isolation at the border is required. Compassionate exemptions are only granted if there's a detailed plan for self-isolation.
"Obviously, the team here that deals with the exemptions process has a great deal of sympathies with families who are coming to terms with a dying relative." Today's news confirms why they decided not to allow exemptions to attend funerals or tangi.
Bloomfield doesn't know if they were tested before boarding the plane in London.
"They didn't have any unwell family members or friends in London."
"It's possible they picked up the infection either in the UK or at the airport or ... on one of the flights."some mildly reassuring bits added to this
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Bloomfield confirmed the two cases are woman - one in their 30s and another in her 40s - who are family.
They arrived on June 7 and stayed in a hotel in Auckland. They were permitted to travel to Wellington in a private vehicle on June 13, on compassionate grounds.
They had a private vehicle dropped to the hotel and drove to Wellington with no contact with anyone else. They didn't use public facilities and have only been with a single family member since arriving in Wellington.
One had been experiencing symptoms, the other was symptom-free.
Testing in Wellington was part of their agreed exemption plan.
Local public health staff are now testing and isolating others at risk - just the one additional family member.
Other potential contacts include travellers on the same flight from Brisbane, and people at the isolation facility, including staff.
Staff at the isolation facility who were in contact with the woman are being stood down and tested.
"Obviously, the team here that deals with the exemptions process has a great deal of sympathies with families who are coming to terms with a dying relative." Today's news confirms why they decided not to allow exemptions to attend funerals or tangi.
Regardless of when people entered the country - level 2 or level 1 - there's no restrictions on funeral sizes. If they're still in that 14 day period, they can't attend a funeral.
The women did everything asked of them, he said.
The funeral will be deferred until they're finished the 14 day period, which has just restarted.
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A couple of important points moving forward:
There's a "clear set of criteria" applied for people seeking leave to attend a funeral, he said. Compassionate exemptions aren't granted for people to attend funerals, but visit a dying friend or relative or grieve with family.
Anybody leaving a facility for whatever reason needs to have a negative result.
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@Bovidae how can we enforce that, unless it is a requirement for them to be granted entry to be tested before leaving, but even then, they woudl need to have isolated after testing, plus they could catch it on the plane...
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It appears we learned nothing from the looseness of the original border controls pre-lockdown. I'm pretty dark about this TBH. All that trauma that we went through, only for the outcome to be jeopardised because the powers that be won't be as tough with the outside world as they were with us. Grow a pair, tell anybody coming in that closed means closed, and that isolation is mandatory, because good faith belief that they are virus free is worthless. If they don't like it, don't come, and any of the media that run sob stories to guilt trip us into exceptions can fuck right off.
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@taniwharugby It's not specific just to us but is a weakness in the process with current worldwide airline travel, particularly if your reason for travelling is time-dependent (e.g., to visit a dying relative).
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It seems to me that the risk lies more with the people they were in contact with before, during and immediately after their flights, and at the managed isolation facility in Auckland. Apart from that one family member they're staying with, I don't think there's any risk of anyone being infected after they left the facility in Auckland if they respected the conditions of the agreed plan (which included not using any public facilities).
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@JC said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I'm pretty dark about this TBH
As is everyone here at work, social media is blowing up (correctly for a change)
Reckon this is a big dent for Labour.
Coronavirus - New Zealand