Black Lives Matter
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@Bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@JC I've been pulled aside by officers twice in one week over here before - granted not in a car and I don't recall being searched other than opening my bag to show what's inside. One was in jeans/hoody/beanie the next I was wearing a suit. And no, I wasn't sporting a fro (and the rat's tail would have been inside my shirt).
So yeah, I own a suit.
So they thought you were a suit thief?
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@JC said in Black Lives Matter:
@Bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@JC I've been pulled aside by officers twice in one week over here before - granted not in a car and I don't recall being searched other than opening my bag to show what's inside. One was in jeans/hoody/beanie the next I was wearing a suit. And no, I wasn't sporting a fro (and the rat's tail would have been inside my shirt).
So yeah, I own a suit.
So they thought you were a suit thief?
I think my eyebrow(s) gave away my heritage.
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@Bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@JC said in Black Lives Matter:
@Bones Also you do realise your hairstylings are a crime in their own right, yeah?
Aren't you a ginger?
I’m offended by this, ragtop
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@MN5 said in Black Lives Matter:
@Bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@JC said in Black Lives Matter:
@Bones Also you do realise your hairstylings are a crime in their own right, yeah?
Aren't you a ginger?
I’m offended by this, ragtop
Just because you can't seem to find a beanie to fit over your head, no need to take it out on me.
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@Bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@MN5 said in Black Lives Matter:
@Bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@JC said in Black Lives Matter:
@Bones Also you do realise your hairstylings are a crime in their own right, yeah?
Aren't you a ginger?
I’m offended by this, ragtop
Just because you can't seem to find a beanie to fit over your head, no need to take it out on me.
#scottishswedesmatter
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@Bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@JC said in Black Lives Matter:
@Bones Also you do realise your hairstylings are a crime in their own right, yeah?
Aren't you a ginger?
You. Are. Dead. To. Me.
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@JC said in Black Lives Matter:
@Bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@JC said in Black Lives Matter:
@Bones Also you do realise your hairstylings are a crime in their own right, yeah?
Aren't you a ginger?
You. Are. Dead. To. Me.
It's ok, you can carry the partial gene. The rainbow of colours between my hair and beard drives the ladies wild.
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@JC said in Black Lives Matter:
@MajorRage I saw that a little bit differently, basically because the police didn’t seem to have any probable cause for stopping them apart from apparently being able to smell cannabis. I think they have a point when they ask why they were stopped when a white person in a similar situation wouldn’t. If the police can back up their actions with stats that demonstrate they do stop people who look like me in the same circumstances I’ll happily get back in my box, but let’s just say I’m doubtful.
This is a direct quote from The Met in the Guardian:
"The Metropolitan police alleged the vehicle had been driving suspiciously, including driving on the wrong side of the road. The force said officers indicated for the vehicle to stop but it failed to do so and made off “at speed”."
So a gangster looking car, in a high-violent crime area does the above, and the police are just expected to look the other way? Do we want London to end up like a wire-style Baltimore, or the police to do their best to try and control the streets?
Bianca denying they were doing nothing wrong and the thin streets of London why they were on the wrong side of the road, is he-says, she says only and can then be offset against the Met's view they had been driving suspiciously. So lets remove that evidence. Now you just have a gangster looking car taking off at speed when indicated to stop by the Police.
What should the police do then?
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@MajorRage said in Black Lives Matter:
@JC said in Black Lives Matter:
@MajorRage I saw that a little bit differently, basically because the police didn’t seem to have any probable cause for stopping them apart from apparently being able to smell cannabis. I think they have a point when they ask why they were stopped when a white person in a similar situation wouldn’t. If the police can back up their actions with stats that demonstrate they do stop people who look like me in the same circumstances I’ll happily get back in my box, but let’s just say I’m doubtful.
This is a direct quote from The Met in the Guardian:
"The Metropolitan police alleged the vehicle had been driving suspiciously, including driving on the wrong side of the road. The force said officers indicated for the vehicle to stop but it failed to do so and made off “at speed”."
So a gangster looking car, in a high-violent crime area does the above, and the police are just expected to look the other way? Do we want London to end up like a wire-style Baltimore, or the police to do their best to try and control the streets?
Bianca denying they were doing nothing wrong and the thin streets of London why they were on the wrong side of the road, is he-says, she says only and can then be offset against the Met's view they had been driving suspiciously. So lets remove that evidence. Now you just have a gangster looking car taking off at speed when indicated to stop by the Police.
What should the police do then?
that premise ignores the reason for wanting them to pull over in the first place
and "gangster" is subjective and unhelpful
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@MajorRage is it a "gangster-looking" car though? I would've thought gangster's would rather be inconspicuous.
Probably looks like the kinda car you might find a small bag of weed in for personal use, but not one you're gonna find anything major in I reckon.
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@MajorRage said in Black Lives Matter:
@JC said in Black Lives Matter:
@MajorRage I saw that a little bit differently, basically because the police didn’t seem to have any probable cause for stopping them apart from apparently being able to smell cannabis. I think they have a point when they ask why they were stopped when a white person in a similar situation wouldn’t. If the police can back up their actions with stats that demonstrate they do stop people who look like me in the same circumstances I’ll happily get back in my box, but let’s just say I’m doubtful.
This is a direct quote from The Met in the Guardian:
"The Metropolitan police alleged the vehicle had been driving suspiciously, including driving on the wrong side of the road. The force said officers indicated for the vehicle to stop but it failed to do so and made off “at speed”."
So a gangster looking car, in a high-violent crime area does the above, and the police are just expected to look the other way? Do we want London to end up like a wire-style Baltimore, or the police to do their best to try and control the streets?
Bianca denying they were doing nothing wrong and the thin streets of London why they were on the wrong side of the road, is he-says, she says only and can then be offset against the Met's view they had been driving suspiciously. So lets remove that evidence. Now you just have a gangster looking car taking off at speed when indicated to stop by the Police.
What should the police do then?
Exactly, I'm not sure how cops who would be lauded in less politically charged times for doing their jobs well are supposed to act now. I'd say loads of them are completely terrified of coming up against a situation that could even remotely be deemed racist.
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I heard Starmer wanking on about this. He mentioned use of handcuffs. Is this so? What was the context?
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@Catogrande I only saw a couple of short clips from the athlete's angle - appeared the guy was resisting getting out of the car so maybe for that?
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@Kiwiwomble said in Black Lives Matter:
@MajorRage said in Black Lives Matter:
@JC said in Black Lives Matter:
@MajorRage I saw that a little bit differently, basically because the police didn’t seem to have any probable cause for stopping them apart from apparently being able to smell cannabis. I think they have a point when they ask why they were stopped when a white person in a similar situation wouldn’t. If the police can back up their actions with stats that demonstrate they do stop people who look like me in the same circumstances I’ll happily get back in my box, but let’s just say I’m doubtful.
This is a direct quote from The Met in the Guardian:
"The Metropolitan police alleged the vehicle had been driving suspiciously, including driving on the wrong side of the road. The force said officers indicated for the vehicle to stop but it failed to do so and made off “at speed”."
So a gangster looking car, in a high-violent crime area does the above, and the police are just expected to look the other way? Do we want London to end up like a wire-style Baltimore, or the police to do their best to try and control the streets?
Bianca denying they were doing nothing wrong and the thin streets of London why they were on the wrong side of the road, is he-says, she says only and can then be offset against the Met's view they had been driving suspiciously. So lets remove that evidence. Now you just have a gangster looking car taking off at speed when indicated to stop by the Police.
What should the police do then?
that premise ignores the reason for wanting them to pull over in the first place
If a cop wants to pull you over, do you pull over or do you flee? If you choose to flee, is your skin colour a defence?
and "gangster" is subjective and unhelpful
Do you live in London?
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@Bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@MajorRage is it a "gangster-looking" car though? I would've thought gangster's would rather be inconspicuous.
Probably looks like the kinda car you might find a small bag of weed in for personal use, but not one you're gonna find anything major in I reckon.
The blacked out windows have been mentioned specifically many times. Must be a reason for it.
@Catogrande said in Black Lives Matter:
I heard Starmer wanking on about this. He mentioned use of handcuffs. Is this so? What was the context?
Resisting the cops when asked to get out of the car and acting all hysterical when asked questions.
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@MajorRage said in Black Lives Matter:
@JC said in Black Lives Matter:
@MajorRage I saw that a little bit differently, basically because the police didn’t seem to have any probable cause for stopping them apart from apparently being able to smell cannabis. I think they have a point when they ask why they were stopped when a white person in a similar situation wouldn’t. If the police can back up their actions with stats that demonstrate they do stop people who look like me in the same circumstances I’ll happily get back in my box, but let’s just say I’m doubtful.
This is a direct quote from The Met in the Guardian:
"The Metropolitan police alleged the vehicle had been driving suspiciously, including driving on the wrong side of the road. The force said officers indicated for the vehicle to stop but it failed to do so and made off “at speed”."
So a gangster looking car,
It was an A Class Mercedes with privacy glass in the back. I don’t know about the UK but that’s a standard feature here. A gangster would be ashamed!
in a high-violent crime area does the above, and the police are just expected to look the other way? Do we want London to end up like a wire-style Baltimore, or the police to do their best to try and control the streets?
Bianca denying they were doing nothing wrong and the thin streets of London why they were on the wrong side of the road, is he-says,
The Times says the street has only a single car width between the cars parked on either side. There’s apparently no choice but to drive in the middle. My inclination to believe they weren’t speeding is driven by the fact they had a 3 month old baby in a baby seat. Can you imagine any Mum you know not going off her rocker at her husband if he sped in that situation?
she says only and can then be offset against the Met's view they had been driving suspiciously. So lets remove that evidence. Now you just have a gangster looking car taking off at speed when indicated to stop by the Police.
they kept going for another 20 seconds till they were outside their own house
What should the police do then?
Have a valid reason for stopping them would be a good start. “I smelled cannabis” from within a TSG van when there was clearly none being used or in the car is not that reason. Both athletes are adamant they have never used drugs (for obvious reasons) or even smoked a cigarette or tasted alcohol.
Have you seen the video?
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@MajorRage said in Black Lives Matter:
@Kiwiwomble said in Black Lives Matter:
@MajorRage said in Black Lives Matter:
@JC said in Black Lives Matter:
@MajorRage I saw that a little bit differently, basically because the police didn’t seem to have any probable cause for stopping them apart from apparently being able to smell cannabis. I think they have a point when they ask why they were stopped when a white person in a similar situation wouldn’t. If the police can back up their actions with stats that demonstrate they do stop people who look like me in the same circumstances I’ll happily get back in my box, but let’s just say I’m doubtful.
This is a direct quote from The Met in the Guardian:
"The Metropolitan police alleged the vehicle had been driving suspiciously, including driving on the wrong side of the road. The force said officers indicated for the vehicle to stop but it failed to do so and made off “at speed”."
So a gangster looking car, in a high-violent crime area does the above, and the police are just expected to look the other way? Do we want London to end up like a wire-style Baltimore, or the police to do their best to try and control the streets?
Bianca denying they were doing nothing wrong and the thin streets of London why they were on the wrong side of the road, is he-says, she says only and can then be offset against the Met's view they had been driving suspiciously. So lets remove that evidence. Now you just have a gangster looking car taking off at speed when indicated to stop by the Police.
What should the police do then?
that premise ignores the reason for wanting them to pull over in the first place
If a cop wants to pull you over, do you pull over or do you flee? If you choose to flee, is your skin colour a defence?
and "gangster" is subjective and unhelpful
Do you live in London?
i did live in london for a long time, bethnal green for a few years and then Wimbldon
must be different, elsewhere in the world you need grounds to stop and search someone, a crime reported with your description for example
unless it actually had "Gangster" written down the side then its the definition of subjective, id put money on there being just as many football players driving around in similar cars as drug dealers
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@Bones said in Black Lives Matter:
So yeah, I own a suit.
Front a magistrate enough times it makes economic sense.